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Ianus 06-28-2017 12:32 PM
Trump to rally Congress on immigration after healthcare setback
 
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/tr...rticle/2627284
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President Trump on Wednesday will use the bully pulpit to rally support for tough immigration legislation, a day after he was forced to watch the Senate pull the plug on a healthcare reform bill that Trump has sought since his election.

Trump will meet at the White House with victims of crimes committed by illegal immigrants, in a bid to boost two bills that the House is expected to pass Thursday before lawmakers leave for the July 4 break. The bills are aimed at thwarting "sanctuary cities" that refuse to cooperate with federal officials on immigration and imposing tougher penalties against deported criminals who re-enter the United States.

Officials from the Departments of Justice and Homeland Security will also be joining President Trump, along with lawmakers and law enforcement officers, according to a White House official. The official said the aim of the event is to highlight the need for tougher immigration enforcement.

Trump has spoken out often as a candidate and as president about the need for tougher policies against illegal immigrant criminals.

In February, he brought victims of illegal immigrants to Congress as guests for his first remarks to joint session of Congress. He set up a new office in the Department of Homeland Security to help victims of these crimes.

"We are providing a voice to those who have been ignored by our media and silenced by special interests," he said in his joint session speech. "Joining us in the audience tonight are four very brave Americans whose government failed them."

On Wednesday, he'll draw attention to the issue once more by meeting immigration crime victims at the White House as part of an effort to create the semblance of legislative momentum on one of his goals.

Trump was not happy Tuesday after he watched the Senate buckle and call for a delay of several weeks before calling up a bill to partially repeal Obamacare. He called in every Republican senator to the White House and warned that the GOP was at risk of losing its majority unless it found a way to move on the complicated issue.

"He was encouraging us to figure out a way forward and kind of the cost of failure, of what it would mean not to get it done," Sen. Marco Rubio, R-Fla., said.

Trump's job for the rest of the week will be much easier, as the two immigration bills he'll support will get votes in the House and will pass easily thanks to the GOP's majority there. They're also related to a bill that passed in the House in the last Congress under former President Barack Obama, who was never going to sign them into law.

Passage in the Senate is likely to come after the July 4 recess.

House Judiciary Committee Chairman Bob Goodlatte, R-Va., said Trump is the big difference this year when it comes to their passage into law.

"The holdup has been getting a president of the United States who would sign this bill into law," he said of the failed attempt last year.

The first bill up on Thursday will be the No Sanctuary for Criminals Act, a bill aimed at discouraging the formation of sanctuary cities that refuse to cooperate with the federal government on immigration.

Goodlatte's bill would withhold some federal grants to jurisdictions that prohibit their officers from communicating with Immigration and Customs Enforcement and require illegal immigrants convicted of dangerous crimes to be detained during removal proceedings.

The legislation would also permit lawsuits by victims of crime against jurisdictions that practice sanctuary city policies.

The second bill is Kate's Law, which would impose tougher penalties against deported felons who return to the United States. The bill is named after Kate Steinle, who was killed by an illegal immigrant who had been deported five times.

"We owe it to the families of those who lost loved ones to take action to prevent these horrible crimes," Goodlatte said last week as his bills were being teed up for a vote. "They have waited far too long."

Got_Daca 06-28-2017 12:53 PM
Re: Trump to rally Congress on immigration after healthcare setback
 
These should pass.

After they pass, there might be SOME appetite for DACA legalization bill.

Got_Daca 06-28-2017 12:53 PM
Re: Trump to rally Congress on immigration after healthcare setback
 
Or Dems need to step up and attach RACA to these two bills.

MIdreamer 06-28-2017 01:18 PM
Re: Trump to rally Congress on immigration after healthcare setback
 
Don't they need 60 votes in the Senate to pass?

APinfo 06-28-2017 01:22 PM
Re: Trump to rally Congress on immigration after healthcare setback
 
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Originally Posted by Got_Daca (Post 616517)
Or Dems need to step up and attach RACA to these two bills.
Democrats aren't going to do a single thing other than sit there and whine and then probably give the GOP what they want for a promise to consider any immigration relief......Next election cycle.

I've lost my faith in the Democrats.

libertarian1776 06-28-2017 01:27 PM
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they just need 50.

Quote:
Originally Posted by MIdreamer (Post 616519)
Don't they need 60 votes in the Senate to pass?

Swim19 06-28-2017 01:41 PM
Re: Trump to rally Congress on immigration after healthcare setback
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by libertarian1776 (Post 616521)
they just need 50.
They need 60 for cloture to end discussion of bill. So basically they do need 60 because I would hope Democrats threaten not to vote for cloture (unless RACA is attached).

BeeHive 06-28-2017 01:45 PM
Re: Trump to rally Congress on immigration after healthcare setback
 
Sincere question, how is this in the news section?

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Get up to date or post breaking news. One thread per news item pertaining to the DREAM Act and related issues.

libertarian1776 06-28-2017 01:48 PM
Re: Trump to rally Congress on immigration after healthcare setback
 
not sure about that, i believe senator turtle mcconnell changed the rules. they only need a simple majority now just like the healthcare bill.. they only need 50 with mike pence as the tie-breaking vote.


Mcconnell is slick.

"Republicans knew that Democrats would filibuster a bill to repeal and replace ObamaCare. Conventional legislation needs 60 votes to break a filibuster to start debate and 60 votes to halt debate. McConnell knew Democrats would block the GOP at every turn, as Republicans only commanded 52 votes. But there’s a way around that. A special process called “budget reconciliation” lowers the threshold to a simple majority (51 yeas) to bring a bill to the floor. Budget reconciliation turns off most filibusters. But you still have to figure out a way to get onto the bill."

pretty sure they gonna keep doing this if they cant pass bills without dems... sad tbh, bipartisanship is dead thats why we need 60 so both dems and reps work together.


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Originally Posted by Swim19 (Post 616523)
They need 60 for cloture to end discussion of bill. So basically they do need 60 because I would hope Democrats threaten not to vote for cloture (unless RACA is attached).

Ianus 06-28-2017 02:51 PM
Re: Trump to rally Congress on immigration after healthcare setback
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by BeeHive (Post 616525)
Sincere question, how is this in the news section?
Immigration reform is germaine to the news room because it is related to Dream Act in a form. Like one of the prior posts mentioned, perhaps RACA can be attached.

ceaguila 06-28-2017 03:08 PM
Re: Trump to rally Congress on immigration after healthcare setback
 
Yes they are regular bills. If they pass the house.. they will go to senate where they will have no chance via @jbreisblatt

andreagb 06-28-2017 03:56 PM
Re: Trump to rally Congress on immigration after healthcare setback
 
They already tried to pass Kate's Law last year and it failed. We shall see this year

Swim19 06-28-2017 04:02 PM
Re: Trump to rally Congress on immigration after healthcare setback
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by libertarian1776 (Post 616526)
not sure about that, i believe senator turtle mcconnell changed the rules. they only need a simple majority now just like the healthcare bill.. they only need 50 with mike pence as the tie-breaking vote.


Mcconnell is slick.

"Republicans knew that Democrats would filibuster a bill to repeal and replace ObamaCare. Conventional legislation needs 60 votes to break a filibuster to start debate and 60 votes to halt debate. McConnell knew Democrats would block the GOP at every turn, as Republicans only commanded 52 votes. But there’s a way around that. A special process called “budget reconciliation” lowers the threshold to a simple majority (51 yeas) to bring a bill to the floor. Budget reconciliation turns off most filibusters. But you still have to figure out a way to get onto the bill."

pretty sure they gonna keep doing this if they cant pass bills without dems... sad tbh, bipartisanship is dead thats why we need 60 so both dems and reps work together.
These bills would qualify under 'budget reconciliation'?

libertarian1776 06-28-2017 04:16 PM
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not sure but im thinking what would stop the gop sen majority leader from tweaking the senate rules to get what they want without dem support? they did it with the scotus pick and currently doing it with the health care bill. sad but true...

the point of the 60 2/3rds majority vote threshold is so that both parties can work together... but hey all power to the GOP since they control both chambers... what can ya do? -_-


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Originally Posted by Swim19 (Post 616535)
These bills would qualify under 'budget reconciliation'?

JohannBernoulli1667 06-28-2017 04:49 PM
Re: Trump to rally Congress on immigration after healthcare setback
 
They will not break the rules for these. Political suicide...

They are not that stupid. They only do it for healthcare and taxes, things they get paid for by the rich. They actually want illegal immigration, it's good for business. It's all theatrics.

2Face 06-28-2017 05:16 PM
Re: Trump to rally Congress on immigration after healthcare setback
 
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Originally Posted by Pianoswithoutfaith (Post 616515)
DAP Right Wing DACA holder "but Daddy trump cares about DACa and that's all I care about. Screw everyone else but me!"



Burn doesn't it ;), DAP Right Wing DACa holders
Ignore this loser here people. He comes out of hiding whenever there's a news article about Trump going after criminal immigrants. He is against DACA and DACA recipients this guy. He is also full of shit. Can't believe the mods are continuing to let him post here abusing DAPers. This dude was railing against DACA and scaring posters here that Trump will "get rid of DACA on Day 1." What a disgrace.

isk84life 06-28-2017 05:20 PM
Re: Trump to rally Congress on immigration after healthcare setback
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Got_Daca (Post 616516)
These should pass.

After they pass, there might be SOME appetite for DACA legalization bill.
Lol why would Dems agree to pass these bills without getting anything for them?

isk84life 06-28-2017 05:22 PM
Re: Trump to rally Congress on immigration after healthcare setback
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by libertarian1776 (Post 616526)
not sure about that, i believe senator turtle mcconnell changed the rules. they only need a simple majority now just like the healthcare bill.. they only need 50 with mike pence as the tie-breaking vote.


Mcconnell is slick.

"Republicans knew that Democrats would filibuster a bill to repeal and replace ObamaCare. Conventional legislation needs 60 votes to break a filibuster to start debate and 60 votes to halt debate. McConnell knew Democrats would block the GOP at every turn, as Republicans only commanded 52 votes. But there’s a way around that. A special process called “budget reconciliation” lowers the threshold to a simple majority (51 yeas) to bring a bill to the floor. Budget reconciliation turns off most filibusters. But you still have to figure out a way to get onto the bill."

pretty sure they gonna keep doing this if they cant pass bills without dems... sad tbh, bipartisanship is dead thats why we need 60 so both dems and reps work together.
Any immigration bill needs 60 votes by senate rules.

2Face 06-28-2017 05:24 PM
Re: Trump to rally Congress on immigration after healthcare setback
 
This is headed in the right direction believe it or not. There is no indication so far that they're targeting non criminal undocumented people. Why should we continue to support criminals? Dems should get the fuck on board and support these measures and try to get some of their agenda items taken care of AKA Dream Act to begin with. Cut some deals with the tycoon. If legalization is to happen there most likely will have to be enforcement. Trump isn't going to give anything away for free but he is definitely one who can compromise. Dream acts fate = entirely up to Democrats at this point. I am afraid they will not compromise with Trump because they won't want to give him a "LEGISLATIVE VICTORY" The politics here is fucked up!

fl_dreamer 06-28-2017 05:28 PM
Re: Trump to rally Congress on immigration after healthcare setback
 
I support the second bill!


The second bill is Kate's Law, which would impose tougher penalties against deported felons who return to the United States. The bill is named after Kate Steinle, who was killed by an illegal immigrant who had been deported five times.

2Face 06-28-2017 05:34 PM
Re: Trump to rally Congress on immigration after healthcare setback
 
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Originally Posted by fl_dreamer (Post 616547)
I support the second bill!


The second bill is Kate's Law, which would impose tougher penalties against deported felons who return to the United States. The bill is named after Kate Steinle, who was killed by an illegal immigrant who had been deported five times.
Yeah. These bills make sense! And why are we being labeled as "DACA Right Wingers" for thinking this way on here? It's a complete disgrace. I don't see the problem with Trump having a bunch of victims of undocumented criminals over in an immigration round table. We need to stop defending criminals!

libertarian1776 06-28-2017 05:50 PM
Re: Trump to rally Congress on immigration after healthcare setback
 
if thats the case they need 8 dems then... they should attach dreamer legalization amendment.


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Originally Posted by isk84life (Post 616544)
Any immigration bill needs 60 votes by senate rules.

fl_dreamer 06-28-2017 05:54 PM
Re: Trump to rally Congress on immigration after healthcare setback
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 2Face (Post 616548)
Yeah. These bills make sense! And why are we being labeled as "DACA Right Wingers" for thinking this way on here? It's a complete disgrace. I don't see the problem with Trump having a bunch of victims of undocumented criminals over in an immigration round table. We need to stop defending criminals!
I think the concern is also that when Trump rallies with the victims, the country riles up too. The most of the country stereotypes us all in one bucket. I bet if my coworkers knew I was a DACA recipient and in reality not "legal". They would not believe it! The point is common sense anti-bills can be passed without the negativity.

isk84life 06-28-2017 07:04 PM
Re: Trump to rally Congress on immigration after healthcare setback
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by fl_dreamer (Post 616547)
I support the second bill!


The second bill is Kate's Law, which would impose tougher penalties against deported felons who return to the United States. The bill is named after Kate Steinle, who was killed by an illegal immigrant who had been deported five times.

Have you read the actual text? it is just no felons, it's people with misdemeanors too or with more than two reentry's. You fell for the propaganda. This bill is nothing but a gift to private prisons. 25 years in jail for reentering the US? btw, the text does not make any distinction between adults and minors. So if you entered as a child and you get caught now. Well, good luck.

BeeHive 06-28-2017 07:15 PM
Re: Trump to rally Congress on immigration after healthcare setback
 
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Originally Posted by isk84life (Post 616553)
Have you read the actual text? it is just no felons, it's people with misdemeanors too or with more than two reentry's. You fell for the propaganda. This bill is nothing but a gift to private prisons. 25 years in jail for reentering the US? btw, the text does not make any distinction between adults and minors. So if you entered as a child and you get caught now. Well, good luck.
Do you prefer to use taxes to fund prisons? I surely do not.

JohannBernoulli1667 06-28-2017 08:21 PM
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Everyone skipped my comment, it's the truth.

Ianus 06-28-2017 08:22 PM
Re: Trump to rally Congress on immigration after healthcare setback
 
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Originally Posted by isk84life (Post 616543)
Lol why would Dems agree to pass these bills without getting anything for them?
https://i.makeagif.com/media/8-03-2015/uR9IDF.gif

Lambo Mercy 06-28-2017 09:05 PM
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Wonder if anything will be done about eDACA amiright????

Smooth 06-28-2017 10:52 PM
Re: Trump to rally Congress on immigration after healthcare setback
 
All of you would be surprised the type of immigrants who are in detention centers and actually have a chance of getting asylum or some sort of relief (e.g. MS 13 gang members, people connected to arms and drugs trafficking). At the policy, national level, this is all politics and theatrics. In practice, even the bad ones have due process rights and actually stand a chance at relief under the current system.

We can take this in different ways: he protects DACA yet seeks to enforce immigration laws as well. I am not saying screw everyone else. What I am saying is be strategic: we can benefit from DACA and still fight for other immigrants in a civil, diplomatic way. However, launching personal attacks on mainstream media puts us at risk of him eliminating the program. I have continually said this over and over and over fucking again. But, it's as if some of you do not care that he take DACA away; you care about getting fame on facebook for all the "likes" or other mainstream media outlets by insulting him and trying to play the hero part on mainstream media.

The immigration status quo is very similar to the situation we had under Obama; Some have DACA while the ones who aged out and are not dreamers are in a tough position. Yes, Obama was more lenient toward non-dreamers, but he would continually say he is subject to the rule of law as president when we would criticize him as deporter in chief. Or have some of you forgot? For some of you, your ego and your hatred for Trump (whom I admit is imperfect) is blindly and foolishly more important than being strategic, keeping DACA, and being diplomatic in our other demands in wanting protections for our loved ones.

Now, if you believe ALL immigrants are good, I can respect your view if you are removal defense attorney. That's your career. But, if you are not, I really do not know what is wrong with you if are advocating that even MS 13 gang members be protected and get relief.

Swim19 06-29-2017 08:10 AM
Re: Trump to rally Congress on immigration after healthcare setback
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by isk84life (Post 616553)
Have you read the actual text? it is just no felons, it's people with misdemeanors too or with more than two reentry's. You fell for the propaganda. This bill is nothing but a gift to private prisons. 25 years in jail for reentering the US? btw, the text does not make any distinction between adults and minors. So if you entered as a child and you get caught now. Well, good luck.
Also Kate's law would not prevented Kate's death:

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Kate’s Law Would Not Have Helped Kate

The bill’s namesake is Kate Steinle, a 32-year-old medical sales rep killed in San Francisco in 2015. Her killer was Juan Francisco Lopez-Sanchez, who was in the country without status after five removals. Proponents of this bill—providing lengthier prison sentences for people who reenter the country after a removal—believe that this would have somehow helped Kate Steinle. This assertion cannot withstand a moment’s contact with the facts of the case, which I have previously laid out in detail here.

After his last three apprehensions, the government prosecuted Lopez-Sanchez for felony illegal reentry. He served 15 years in federal prison in three five-year increments. None of the facts of this case would have changed if he had served those 15 years consecutively. Indeed, because Lopez-Sanchez never actually made it across the border without being caught since 1997, the only reason that he ended up in San Francisco is because the Bureau of Prisons inexplicably decided to ignore a request for transfer from Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE). Instead, it shipped him to the city based on a 20-year-old marijuana charge—an offense that no longer even exists in the city. Thus, deterrence against reentry has no relevance whatsoever to this case.
https://www.cato.org/blog/kates-law-...eral-resources

BeeHive 06-29-2017 09:20 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Swim19 (Post 616573)
Also Kate's law would not prevented Kate's death:



https://www.cato.org/blog/kates-law-...eral-resources
That's not what this article states.

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Lopez-Sanchez should never have been on that pier with Kate. He should have been in the custody of U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE). And he would have been if San Francisco had only notified ICE of his release from the city’s custody, as ICE had requested.
Which one is lying?

2MoreYears 06-29-2017 09:43 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by BeeHive (Post 616576)
That's not what this article states.



Which one is lying?
Your posting demeanor feels particularly familiar to some dude long gone from this site.

Pianoswithoutfaith 06-29-2017 11:12 AM
Re: Trump to rally Congress on immigration after healthcare setback
 
if you're talking about Chyno then you're wrong 2MoteYesrs. Chyno is a reformed user who is a friend of all

Swim19 06-29-2017 12:39 PM
Re: Trump to rally Congress on immigration after healthcare setback
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by BeeHive (Post 616576)
That's not what this article states.



Which one is lying?
Is this a serious question? You quoted an article by Jeff Sessions in the Fox New Opinion Section under the heading 'illegal immigrants'.

2MoreYears 06-29-2017 12:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Pianoswithoutfaith (Post 616579)
if you're talking about Chyno then you're wrong 2MoteYesrs. Chyno is a reformed user who is a friend of all
10 sources plz!

BeeHive 06-29-2017 01:29 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Swim19 (Post 616584)
Is this a serious question? You quoted an article by Jeff Sessions in the Fox New Opinion Section under the heading 'illegal immigrants'.
Yes serious question. Either one can be lying. The point of the law is to make people re-think twice if they want to cross again.

He crossed 5 times, maybe if one of those times he had those extra days in jail he could of learned to not cross again.

By saying that law will not prevent her death is like saying having DUI laws would not prevent my neighbor killing his son while drunk driving.

Finally, I do not agree with Kates law.


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On March 26, 2015, at the request of the San Francisco Sheriff's Department, United States Bureau of Prisons (BOP) had turned Sanchez over to San Francisco authorities for an outstanding drug warrant.[16] U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) had issued a detainer for Sanchez requesting that he be kept in custody until immigration authorities could pick him up. As a sanctuary city, however, which limits cooperation with ICE only to cases where active charges against the immigrant are identified, San Francisco did not honor the detainer and released him, since they found no active warrant for his arrest.[17] San Francisco officials transported Sanchez to San Francisco County Jail on March 26, 2015, to face a 20-year-old felony charge of selling and possessing marijuana after Sanchez completed his latest prison term in San Bernardino County for entering in the country without the proper documents.[18] He was released from San Francisco County Jail on April 15, and had no outstanding warrants or judicial warrants, as confirmed by the San Francisco Sheriff's Department.[14]
Source

Swim19 06-29-2017 01:42 PM
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^How does this contradict what I posted? See below:

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Indeed, because Lopez-Sanchez never actually made it across the border without being caught since 1997, the only reason that he ended up in San Francisco is because the Bureau of Prisons inexplicably decided to ignore a request for transfer from Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE). Instead, it shipped him to the city based on a 20-year-old marijuana charge—an offense that no longer even exists in the city. Thus, deterrence against reentry has no relevance whatsoever to this case.

BeeHive 06-29-2017 02:22 PM
Re: Trump to rally Congress on immigration after healthcare setback
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Swim19 (Post 616589)
^How does this contradict what I posted? See below:
Because you said: Also Kate's law would not prevented Kate's death.

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"This would be an automatic five-year mandatory minimum in federal hard lockup. That is a serious deterrent. ... When somebody stays in another country because they don't want to do hard time here, they're not going to be committing crimes here," Jarrett said.
Source

Let us break this down. On his 5th entry to USA, meaning he was deported 5 times (assumption) he decided to shoot and it killed Kate.

He was deported 5 times, and his latest was in 2009. During those 5 times, he was caught and deported. After his first deportation, he was caught 4 times (5-1 = 4). If Kate's law was in effect, he had 4 chances at which he could of been in jail at a minimum of 5 years.

If he spend 5 years in prison, there could of been a chance of him learning his lesson and he could of not killed Kate. He could of still, he is a human being, we cant control him.

His last deportation was in 2009. Instead of deportation he could of faced jail time due to Kate's law. He was deported before so let us assume his prison would of been worse than 5 years. He would be sent to prison in 2010 and come out later than 2015.

This would of deff prevented Kate's death.

Do you see what I am trying to show you? Having a harsh sentence on this people could of prevented her death. Not 100% it could of, just like my analogy of drunk driving.

Now the problem with Kate's law is that not all illegals are like that monster. This would make innocent people go to jail for just re-crossing the border to see their family.

This is why your statement is wrong.

Swim19 06-29-2017 02:43 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by BeeHive (Post 616590)
Because you said: Also Kate's law would not prevented Kate's death.



Source

Let us break this down. On his 5th entry to USA, meaning he was deported 5 times (assumption) he decided to shoot and it killed Kate.

He was deported 5 times, and his latest was in 2009. During those 5 times, he was caught and deported. After his first deportation, he was caught 4 times (5-1 = 4). If Kate's law was in effect, he had 4 chances at which he could of been in jail at a minimum of 5 years.

If he spend 5 years in prison, there could of been a chance of him learning his lesson and he could of not killed Kate. He could of still, he is a human being, we cant control him.

His last deportation was in 2009. Instead of deportation he could of faced jail time due to Kate's law. He was deported before so let us assume his prison would of been worse than 5 years. He would be sent to prison in 2010 and come out later than 2015.

This would of deff prevented Kate's death.

Do you see what I am trying to show you? Having a harsh sentence on this people could of prevented her death. Not 100% it could of, just like my analogy of drunk driving.

Now the problem with Kate's law is that not all illegals are like that monster. This would make innocent people go to jail for just re-crossing the border to see their family.

This is why your statement is wrong.

You didn't read the article or even the quote I posted originally. He did spend time in prison. He spent *15 years* in federal prison. That clearly was not enough of a deterrent for him.

Quote:
After his last three apprehensions, the government prosecuted Lopez-Sanchez for felony illegal reentry. He served 15 years in federal prison in three five-year increments.

BeeHive 06-29-2017 03:11 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Swim19 (Post 616591)
You didn't read the article or even the quote I posted originally. He did spend time in prison. He spent *15 years* in federal prison. That clearly was not enough of a deterrent for him.
You clearly did not read what I posted.

Humans are humans, you can't stop them from killing only thing you can do is deter them.

And Kate's Law is way to do it. Maybe for him 15 years in prison wasn't enough and with Kate's Law they would of give him 50 years.

It is an all if and else statements.

Once again, similar to the harsh USA DUI laws. They don't prevent people from killing others while drunk, but at least deters those who get scared by the law.


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