Trump crafting plan to slash legal immigration
 

Apparently Trump is perfectly fine with backing this. If he was serious about DREAMers 'resting easy' than he should back BRIDGE Act or RACA:

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/0...on-cuts-240478

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This is good.

Something big is brewing.

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How is this good?

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how is this good?

Doesn't look right when he is cracking legal immigration (something his supporters are for) and then granting us "illegals" DACA?

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Philosophical question of the day:

If some people view every negative development as a disguised positive development, can there be any negative developments?

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Immigration reform incoming.

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Attach RACA to that shit and pass it!

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This is good because every action will bring reaction.

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Very low chance of that happening before 2019. They have Health Care, Tax Reform, Infrastructure Reform before they move to Comprehensive Immigration Reform.

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CIR is unlikely but I can see DREAM Act as a real possibility if both sides cooperate and get something they both want

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I'm glad republicans are showing their true racist colors. They are doing everything to hold on to a white supremacist America.

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I would actual;ove love for this law to pass for 2 very different reasons.

I believe the the whole family sponsorship/lottery visa system is bullshit. Greencards should go to those that earn them and are not a risk for welfare.

I also believe many industries would collapse without enough guest workers and the Republican Party would look like fools.

They don't understand that they cannot stop a majority hispanic population from happening. No matter what they racist do.

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I would actually favor a merit based immigration system in the US that is similiar to the ones in Australia and Canada but that's just my two cents.

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This country is too racist for such system. Lawmakers can easily pass the laws to have such system, but the US has people like cruz, sessions, and the like.

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I honestly don't see how race plays a part to why a meirt based immigration system hasn't been implemented yet in the US. Sessions has even advocated for such a reform like this one despite his anti-amnesty stance.

He even blamed the current system we have now for bringing in "people with no valuable skills" into this country through family petitions and lottery visas. So, it's kind of the oppisite.

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Visa lottery I don't mind. They are targeting it for a different reason that everyone fails to see: DV lottery was originally 55k/yr, then 5k/yr were relegated to NACARA program. Can't kill NACARA without severe backlash so they just want DV out and whoops NACARA is dead. Same reason why El Salvadoreans are on TPS since the 90s and Trump is tiptoeing around DACA wondering how to kill the damn thing.

But really the whole immigration system is complete horseshit. Inadmissibilities for bullshit reasons, needing relatives in US to get waivers.

Then you have the whole employment based system which is divided into 4 main groups.
1. The .01% that could toss a dart at a map and live there.
2. The "workers" that are lined up for the job and sponsorship, be it a software engineer or a janitor.
3. The odd none-of-the-above group (religious minister, SIJ, military translators, and 60 others).
4. The filthy rich that will just invest in a Regional Center to buy PR for half a million.

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Question, so after DACA is put on hold by the courts. How soon can we expect for ICE to start apprehending dreamers, unlikely that it will be en mass, but people will start getting caught.

They will have all our info, so we are the easiest targets, plus, they know that our parents are likely illegal as well.

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That scenario isn't going to happen!

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I said it is unlikely that it will be "targeted", but you know ICE will be faithfully deporting individuals, whether they are dreamers or not.

Say anybody gets caught, you don't think they will be deported? That is just wishful thinking, once DACA is removed, there is nothing that prevents anyone from being deported.

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What makes you think that the court process will be so fast? Besides we don't know what's going to happen! Let's not start dreaming up nightmare scenarios. I was freaking out when Trump won , but for whatever reason I feel very calm about this . We shall overcome this obstacle as well.

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That's been tried many times with the DREAM Act. In the past they would attach it to a must pass budget measure. Numbers USA would get involved and it would be removed. They have people on their staff who's job it is to spot "attached" legislation.

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The concern is that if those republican AGs do end up suing the administration over DACA, they will likely do so in a federal circuit that they know will have an anti-immigration judge (they've done it many times with pro-life, etc), and who may decide to put a hold on DACA until it is argued in court. There's no way to know of course but they've done similar things in the past (DAPA)

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duplicate

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ICE doesn't have our info. USCIS does.

AFIK

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Yes, but once DACA ends, there is a transfer of information from USCIS, over to ICE.

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Where does it say that? I don't believe that is automatic. Of course, they could decide to transfer it over, but as far as I know it is not automatic.

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This is NOT good. A lot of people on here have somehow convinced themselves that if Trump passes harsh anti-immigration laws that affect OTHER PEOPLE, then he will somehow show his heart and pass a law that will help THEM. That is a foolish thought.

If anything, it will embolden him and create an even more anti-immigration climate. And if you think this wouldn't affect you, think again. Even if your foolish theory is correct that this might lead into something more substantial for Dreamers, it also will mean that you will not be able to help your family members in the future.

Don't ever negotiate against yourself. It's crazy to already want to offer everything to Republicans in exchange for what MIGHT happen.

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This is good if it ends up being conducive to passing of DACA legislation.

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IamAman You're so right! I couldn't have said it better. "Fuck everyone else as long as I get papers" mentality is absurd.

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Gotta start living with reality.

There will never be a mass amnesty.

Best we can hope for is DACA legislation.

This "amnesty for all or nada" mentality is major hurdle standing on the way of DACA legislation.

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Thankful you do not represent all DACA recipients.
I don't think either of us said mass amnesty.
OR we can hope for something broader.
No need to throw everyone else under the bus just because we have DACA.

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Again, you are negotiating against yourself. Nobody from the right has promised such thing in exchange but you're already giving up things to them.

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So if we had to choose between something for just DACA recipients or amnesty for all, what would you pick?! I understand something for everyone would be great, but never compare being brought to this country as a child to a grown adult coming here by choice knowing they could be in the dark for life. I came here as a 5 year old, I'm now 30. Do I really want to be in the shadows til I die because my grown parents chose this life for me?! No. Would we now as adults go to Europe and demand a green card from them? This country owes us nothing. Be grateful of the scraps that get thrown our way! An amnesty for all is unlikely to happen. If we can somehow be legalized with the opportunity to help our family in the future, why not take it? Their only hope for a better future is us! If we can't even help ourselves, how are we supposed to help them? If some of you really think there will be amnesty for all under Trump, you're delusional!

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why are you even replying to him? he has turn into what we call DAUser "whatever it takes!!"


after this, can you really take him serious?


I agree with you that many dreamers are in so much desperation they are willing to accept anything that might meant something for us. If they are planning to cut legal immigration by 50% in the next year, then boy image how much more they want to decrease illegal immigration and cut the numbers of illegal aliens here. And all for what? For a scenario that could happen?



RACA, Bridge, Enlist, all of these bills that would benefit us haven't been in the talks for MONTHS. Like Swim said in OP, if Trump really care for us and remember he has a BIG heart and we are tremendous people (oh a word that he has used so much it basically lost its value) he would in a wake up call right now and try to assure us a little bit that DACA will be fine and his staff stand with us, but no instead his administration is telling us "we are as Trump admin are cool with DACA but whatever happens, we aint going to do anything about it, we are not going to defend it and you guys should expect worse. Good luck" His AG, Session told us he wouldn't defend it, DHS has told me he would not defend it. Basically everyone that mattered that could have defend it has turned their backs on us and and letting us be throw into racist judges.


If a bill passes that build that wall, increase border protection and everything they are talking about, (not RACA, not Bridge Act, not Enlist ect ect) is passed, what exactly would be their incentive to pass a solution for us?

"Attach RACA to any anti immigration, wall bill they want!!! i dont' care as long RACA/Bridge ect Act is there!!"


When has attaching bill that would help us into another bill ever actually helped us? How many times has Dream Act been attached and how many times have groups stopped it?


"sooo you pretty much want the end of us?

No, I don' want the end of us but as iamman said, dont negotiation with yourself about what these people might do for you, instead take action already.


Call your reps, your senators, anyone that has influence and tell them how much DACA matters. Tell your friends, your coworkers, tell them that DACA is important for this country and they should call their reps and senators to defend DACA. We need to do this to show Trump that we wont be sunk that easily, and that if he won't defend us then then there are politicians out there who will put pressure on him to do it. Don't think we are alone here, even Trump supporters favor some path of legalization for illegal aliens


http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank...ion-questions/
https://action.unitedwedream.org/pet...s-daca-program



Most Americans don't think a wall is a priority

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank...ration-policy/

if we contact people agaisnt a wall, contact other groups tell them whats going on, they will support us too because ultimately this country does not favor trumps policies.

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Hello All, I'm a long time reader of this portal (way before DACA) but I've never registered. I'm a parent of two DACAmenteds. They were brought here since they were very young ages. Now they already graduated from a private college with full-ride scholarships. Thanks to all the colleges those support dreamers. They had jobs lining up since their senior year in college. I really appreciate the opportunities we received from this country especially all the colleges those support dreamers. Without them, we would not have been this far. The reason I registered for this portal today is I've seen the members of this group are having different opinions on "Should they legalize dreamers and leave someone else in the shadow?"

I will speak as a parent of two dreamers. I really don't care if I will get legalized. I just want my children to be able to live normal lives and keep contributing to the only country they know. I might end up go back to my country but that is not a big deal for me as long as they can live without fear here. I can even be willing to trade myself with their status if I'm allow to be deported with them getting a status. The idea of a"All or Nothing" is you will get pretty much nothing. They will not legalize all 11m undocumented in one time. Thank you for reading this and understand me as an undocumented parent.

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Bingo, the same exact thing most parents believe in...

We as kids never asked to even come here, we did not have a choice... I wished these immigrant organizations understood this. They reality is that they are using us for their own political benefit. The sad part is that there is no future of the Democratic party if they continue pushing for legalization of undocumented immigrants. People are tired of it, I am tired of it.

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Thank you to last 2 posters.

You cant have everything.

Reaching maturity means being able to negotiate with the world and living with the reality of the situation.

If you are against DACA legislation then you are not a Dreamer.

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I agree with what Piano said.

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Ok we all need to stop daydreaming and speculating as if we write those bills ourselves.
We need to be pragmatic about our situation and stop the in-fighting about who's right and who's wrong. KEEP YOUR OPINIONS TO YOURSELF, because our posts mean crap and no matter how much you vent or argue, nobody wins because it won't magically show up in some bill. All we lose is time and effort, and emotionally hurt each other even though we are all in this together.

Lastly, what I ask of all of you is to direct that energy and effort to calling/emailing your congressmen, tv media stations, etc, to make our voices hurt.

1. Call/Email Congressmen to shed light on this issue
2. Donate your spare time or money to advocacy organizations that will be fighting our battles
That's all I can think of for now. If you have any additional suggestions on how we can aid in our own efforts, post!

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3. Work on your lifeboat. I don't see immigration happening while Agent Orange is occupying the white house and until far-right dies from their opiate epidemic. So basically not anywhere in the next 4 years and possibly never.

The harder your case is the sooner you should start. AP if you're an EWI with no removal order. Marry and get an MTR if you have a removal order. Go out there do something for yourself because no one else will.


Sitting here circlejerking that those psychopaths should pass (insert whatever bill you want here) is going nowhere, it has been going nowhere since before I joined and it will go nowhere until we have a left-wing democrat in the white house, a democratic majority leader that has a fucking spine, and a good democratic house speaker.

Obama was a centrist that paid us lip service and only came up with DACA when immigrant groups threatened to sit the election out. Suddenly lo and behold - we can expand prosecutoral discretion far and do try it again 2 years later for another election.

Harry Reid was a boob that let McConnell run the senate from the back seat, I don't know how many filibusters there were. Hundreds at least.

Nancy Pelosi did a good job. I hope she returns to speakership sooner rather than later.

Schumer is a savage, once democrats get the senate back you can be sure that Republicans won't get to say a single word.

Regarding President, idk - it's hard to think 4 years into the future. Cuomo is the only one that comes to mind for me. Still, we need someone who is left leaning and not a DINO.