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isk84life 09-28-2017 01:44 PM

Kevin McCarthy: No Dream Act without tough border measures
 
House Majority Leader Kevin McCarthy indicated Thursday that Republicans won't set up a vote to help immigrants brought to the U.S. illegally as children without language that significantly boosts border security.

"The one thing I would hate to happen here is that we only do the job halfway, and then we have this problem come back to us," McCarthy, R-Calif,., said on the House floor when asked about the chances of bringing up a "Dream Act" bill soon.

"So the president has asked us about border security as well, and I believe we can find a solution here together," he added.

McCarthy didn't specify what border security measures might be part of a bill helping younger illegal immigrants who benefited from President Obama's Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals program, or DACA.

Democrats have been hoping that that language might be added that calls on the Department of Homeland Security to develop a border security plan, something key Republicans supported a few years ago.

However, Republicans appear ready to go further than that. Next week, the House Homeland Security Committee is expected to mark up a bill providing $10 billion for the construction of a wall between the U.S. and Mexico.

McCarthy was questioned on the floor by House Minority Whip Steny Hoyer, D-Md., who noted that Republicans have no plans next week to call up a Dream Act bill.

Democrats have been pushing for a Dream Act bill since President Trump said he would rescind DACA in March, and called on Congress to legislate protection for those who now use DACA to stay in the U.S. and work.

McCarthy said generally he agrees with Trump's decision to send the issue to Congress, as opposed to living with Obama's program that was not approved by Congress.

"I agree with the president's position," McCarthy said. "Courts have shown that the past was unconstitutional, and that just means the House has to do their job, and the Senate."

"The president has challenged this Congress to find a solution, and I believe we can," he said.

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/ke...rticle/2635949

JJ Glo 09-28-2017 01:47 PM

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Why haven't Dems begun drafting legislation for Border Security to add to the Dream Act?

Swim19 09-28-2017 01:54 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by JJ Glo (Post 644171)
Why haven't Dems begun drafting legislation for Border Security to add to the Dream Act?

I think Republicans need to first say the Border Security they require otherwise Democrats are negotiating with themselves. And Democrats have already mentioned the McCaul-Thompson border security package as a possible addition.

ceaguila 09-28-2017 01:55 PM

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How about this idiot McCarthy gets together with Pelosi and develops a plan then?

JJ Glo 09-28-2017 01:59 PM

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Dems could draft something, low ball the Republicans. Add 2,000 more agents, add some money to install some cameras, buy some drones, etc. nothing big, just something to get the ball rolling.

Got_Daca 09-28-2017 02:05 PM

Re: Kevin McCarthy: No Dream Act without tough border measures
 
GOP already has their own sick Suckass Act

Dems need to produce their own border security bill

like now

JohannBernoulli1667 09-28-2017 02:10 PM

Re: Kevin McCarthy: No Dream Act without tough border measures
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ceaguila (Post 644175)
How about this idiot McCarthy gets together with Pelosi and develops a plan then?

Why doesn't the Whitehouse speak? They are waiting for them. Squidward is to busy applying rogaine

libertarian1776 09-28-2017 02:12 PM

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theres already the McCaul security bill... just attach it to that gaddaym!

Got_Daca 09-28-2017 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by libertarian1776 (Post 644184)
theres already the McCaul security bill... just attach it to that gaddaym!

they are dragging our balls on miles of broken glass and nails

dreamer__13 09-28-2017 02:16 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by JohannBernoulli1667 (Post 644183)
Why doesn't the Whitehouse speak? They are waiting for them. Squidward is to busy applying rogaine

Lmfao.. He’s beyond salivation tho. Rogaine can only do so much.

fl_dreamer 09-28-2017 02:18 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Got_Daca (Post 644185)
they are dragging our balls on miles of broken glass and nails

ouch! that vivid image!!

JohannBernoulli1667 09-28-2017 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by dreamer__13 (Post 644186)
Lmfao.. He’s beyond salivation tho. Rogaine can only do so much.

Someone do a Photoshop of Miller with Trump's hair...

Let's make it go viral on Twitter 😂

cooltalker 09-28-2017 02:33 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ceaguila (Post 644175)
How about this idiot McCarthy gets together with Pelosi and develops a plan then?

Yes, this people are just using border security as an excuse to not do anything. DACA was enacted without additions to border security measures and it was a successful program. In reality, legalizing DACA/DA has nothing do with border security.

But of course, I'm for border security/wall if that's what it takes. I've said this before that I don't even mind a $50k fine to fund these efforts. It's a small price to pay to keep having a future here.

isk84life 09-28-2017 02:36 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by cooltalker (Post 644192)
Yes, this people are just using border security as an excuse to not do anything. DACA was enacted without additions to border security measures and it was a successful program. In reality, legalizing DACA/DA has nothing do with border security.

But of course, I'm for border security/wall if that's what it takes. I've said this before that I don't even mind a $50k fine to fund these efforts. It's a small price to pay to keep having a future here.

Dude come on... The border does have to get secured. You act like you dont know how the media and family members encourage others to come when there are talks of an amnesty here. The Central American media is very irresponsible.

Vze77ach 09-28-2017 02:38 PM

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I can only pray that both parties are sincerely trying to solve our issue instead of playing politics.
I have been disappointed so many times . I don't trust politicians.

The only person I trust is Senator Durbin. I really appreciate him because I have seen all the hard works he had done in past 17 years.I have great respect for him

ceaguila 09-28-2017 02:39 PM

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Homeland Security spokesperson tells Breitbart that "The Wall" actually means...current border security measures, basically

via @ddale8 https://twitter.com/ddale8/status/913472502399213569

JJ Glo 09-28-2017 02:44 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ceaguila (Post 644197)
Homeland Security spokesperson tells Breitbart that "The Wall" actually means...current border security measures, basically

via @ddale8 https://twitter.com/ddale8/status/913472502399213569

I get it now. Trump meant the Wall of Security, and here all this time we thought he was talking about a physical wall. How foolish of us.:lol::lol:

nationalsfan 09-28-2017 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by JJ Glo (Post 644198)
I get it now. Trump meant the Wall of Security, and here all this time we thought he was talking about a physical wall. How foolish of us.:lol::lol:

It's actually going to be a transparent wall. The yugest transaparent (invisible) wall you've ever seen!!!

Pianoswithoutfaith 09-28-2017 04:07 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by isk84life (Post 644194)
Dude come on... The border does have to get secured. You act like you dont know how the media and family members encourage others to come when there are talks of an amnesty here. The Central American media is very irresponsible.

Why does the border have to be secured ? Don't you know the number of people crossing has lowered.

ceaguila 09-28-2017 04:08 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Pianoswithoutfaith (Post 644211)
Why does the border have to be secured ? Don't you know the number of people crossing has lowered.

It’s actually gone up again since July.

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/poli...175737086.html

Dreamtime 09-28-2017 04:20 PM

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They're so stupid. This country has 20 trillion in debt and 11 million people in the shadows that would be more than willing to pay a fee every year until they get GC. They could use this money to improve border enforcement and pay for the debt. They could solve this problem fast.

Trump should be like: Make illegals pay for the wall.
And in the details... in exchange for citizenship in 10 years.

tf2legend 09-28-2017 06:05 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Pianoswithoutfaith (Post 644211)
Why does the border have to be secured ? Don't you know the number of people crossing has lowered.

That's ridiculous. Just because numbers may be down that doesn't mean they will remain that way.

Also a country has every right to protect its borders.

isk84life 09-28-2017 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by tf2legend (Post 644220)
That's ridiculous. Just because numbers may be down that doesn't mean they will remain that way.

Also a country has every right to protect its borders.

Not to mention the drugs coming here and the illegal assault riffles going to Mexico for cartel use.

Swim19 09-28-2017 06:11 PM

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JUST IN: Congressman Jim Costa spoke on the floor to start the vote on #DREAMACT now & work for a bipartisan comprehensive immigration reform.

https://twitter.com/RepJimCosta/stat...322503/video/1

JohannBernoulli1667 09-28-2017 06:14 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Swim19 (Post 644223)
JUST IN: Congressman Jim Costa spoke on the floor to start the vote on #DREAMACT now & work for a bipartisan comprehensive immigration reform.

https://twitter.com/RepJimCosta/stat...322503/video/1

A Democrat...

What is that going to do.

VJB2 09-28-2017 06:19 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by JohannBernoulli1667 (Post 644225)
A Democrat...

What is that going to do.


Keep the Dream Act mentions going so it doesn't fade away? Put even an ounce of pressure on Paul Ryan to bring it up for a vote? Reiterate the importance of passing the bill? Mention how many people's lives are in the hands of the people trying to stop the bill? Show others who support the bill his own support?

Would you prefer he say nothing and stay quiet?

JohannBernoulli1667 09-28-2017 06:25 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by VJB2 (Post 644226)
Keep the Dream Act mentions going so it doesn't fade away? Put even an ounce of pressure on Paul Ryan to bring it up for a vote? Reiterate the importance of passing the bill? Mention how many people's lives are in the hands of the people trying to stop the bill? Show others who support the bill his own support?

Would you prefer he say nothing and stay quiet?

I would prefer them doing less talking and setting up meetings to come up with a solution.

Not saying that is not happening, perhaps it is. They should come up with ideas to secure the border and maybe talk about that as well. This is a good start, do not get me wrong but more needs to be done for a compromise.

ECW 09-28-2017 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by JohannBernoulli1667 (Post 644227)
I would prefer them doing less talking and setting up meetings to come up with a solution.

Not saying that is not happening, perhaps it is. They should come up with ideas to secure the border and maybe talk about that as well. This is a good start, do not get me wrong but more needs to be done for a compromise.

My point exactly! They can talk on the floor now until March 5, if no deals are being worked on and actions are not being taken. All the talk is useless.

libertarian1776 09-28-2017 06:52 PM

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Tulsi Gabbard just spoke on the floor about an hour ago to support the discharge petition!

JavierHTx 09-28-2017 06:56 PM

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Is the Raise Act still being thrown around?

JohannBernoulli1667 09-28-2017 07:33 PM

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I am starting to think that the republican statements that have been positive for a solution are nothing but political statements. The only reason we fell for them is because we are directly affected and are really desperate.


Today I finally woke up and realized that them saying that something is being worked out is the same as them saying, we are going to repeal and replace OC and everyone will have great access to healthcare.

SurfyB 09-28-2017 09:37 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by JohannBernoulli1667 (Post 644234)
I am starting to think that the republican statements that have been positive for a solution are nothing but political statements. The only reason we fell for them is because we are directly affected and are really desperate.


Today I finally woke up and realized that them saying that something is being worked out is the same as them saying, we are going to repeal and replace OC and everyone will have great access to healthcare.

I really hope that's not the case, but this shit is taking forever.. everyday I wake up i check each DACA newsite/forum.. fml.

dreamer__13 09-28-2017 09:51 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by JohannBernoulli1667 (Post 644234)
I am starting to think that the republican statements that have been positive for a solution are nothing but political statements. The only reason we fell for them is because we are directly affected and are really desperate.


Today I finally woke up and realized that them saying that something is being worked out is the same as them saying, we are going to repeal and replace OC and everyone will have great access to healthcare.

Ok not to be a bitch but you’ve been pessimistic the whole time lmao. It’s ok. Idk what to think at this point. It could go either way.

bad.bunny 09-28-2017 10:00 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by tf2legend (Post 644220)
That's ridiculous. Just because numbers may be down that doesn't mean they will remain that way.

Also a country has every right to protect its borders.

its bad for the environment and its an unnatural human concept. most ppl come here by planes nowadays. that money for the wall can be used for puerto rico

JohannBernoulli1667 09-28-2017 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by dreamer__13 (Post 644267)
Ok not to be a bitch but you’ve been pessimistic the whole time lmao. It’s ok. Idk what to think at this point. It could go either way.

Just an observation.

I do however think that if we protest as a force that it will bring more pressure.


I will have to explain myself.


Basically in summary my thoughts are.


Change is possible. However, it needs a movement of epic proportions.

Advocacy is at an all time low. It has never been strong in pro immigration matters. All those groups do is ask for donations and they do not do a thing.


We need to take action, sort of how the Women's march happened. 1960s style. We have the numbers, we have the money, we have the resources, to add to this, we have the support.

It might not be to early to start organizing such a movement.


It will be the only way to possible push us over the edge.

dreamer__13 09-28-2017 10:56 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by JohannBernoulli1667 (Post 644270)
Just an observation.

I do however think that if we protest as a force that it will bring more pressure.


I will have to explain myself.


Basically in summary my thoughts are.


Change is possible. However, it needs a movement of epic proportions.

Advocacy is at an all time low. It has never been strong in pro immigration matters. All those groups do is ask for donations and they do not do a thing.


We need to take action, sort of how the Women's march happened. 1960s style. We have the numbers, we have the money, we have the resources, to add to this, we have the support.

It might not be to early to start organizing such a movement.


It will be the only way to possible push us over the edge.

I agree with you. It’s not too early. How and where? As long as it doesn’t turn into a crazy “all of us or none of us” event lol.

SurfyB 09-29-2017 12:06 AM

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I'm all for that too, it'd be nice if at least 80% of us show up, that's a big ass protest.

JohannBernoulli1667 09-29-2017 12:10 AM

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Originally Posted by SurfyB (Post 644280)
I'm all for that too, it'd be nice if at least 80% of us show up, that's a big ass protest.

The other thing is that we have to united to do the social medial like the Russians did.


If they can flip an election, 800k of us can easily flip a few votes on the senate.

We can make fake white supremacist accounts and promote ridiculous shit...

I am surprised democrats are not doing that already, opposition i mean.


This is like online anarchy.

eva02 09-29-2017 12:16 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by JohannBernoulli1667 (Post 644281)
The other thing is that we have to united to do the social medial like the Russians did.


If they can flip an election, 800k of us can easily flip a few votes on the senate.

We can make fake white supremacist accounts and promote ridiculous shit...

I am surprised democrats are not doing that already, opposition i mean.


This is like online anarchy.

Because white supremacy is the norm. People only feel uncomfortable with views that challenge the norm.
You guys will say "well it is their country". It's the reason we are more outraged by dreamers demanding equality than we are about white supremacists demanding we be deported.

JohannBernoulli1667 09-29-2017 12:28 AM

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Originally Posted by eva02 (Post 644282)
Because white supremacy is the norm. People only feel uncomfortable with views that challenge the norm.
You guys will say "well it is their country". It's the reason we are more outraged by dreamers demanding equality than we are about white supremacists demanding we be deported.

I disagree,

it has a similar effect, people on the left are just stupid, being outplayed...


They would have to go up a notch on the ridiculous scale...

and it would be effective... this is not the edge of common sense, this is the age of fuck it, do whatever it takes to survive...


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