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libertarian1776 10-03-2017 11:55 PM

Trump admin backs/then backpedals giving "Dreamers" path to citizenship: Official
 
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - A U.S. official told Congress on Tuesday it would be “rational” to legislate a path for citizenship for illegal immigrants who came to the United States as children, but within hours the administration backtracked, saying his comments did not state the views of President Donald Trump.

The Trump administration last month ended the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals policy, which began in 2012 under former President Barack Obama. The program allowed nearly 800,000 so-called “Dreamers” to work legally in the United States without being deported. The policy was aimed at young people who came to the United States illegally as children.

The administration said it ended DACA because Obama overstepped his constitutional authority by creating the policy without Congressional approval. Trump called on Congress to enact a law to protect DACA recipients, and last month angered some fellow Republicans by negotiating with congressional Democratic leaders on possible legislation.

At a Senate hearing, Republican Senator John Kennedy asked Homeland Security official Michael Dougherty about Dreamers. “Should they be allowed to stay?”

“Under a rational bill these individuals would be able to become lawful permanent residents with a pathway to citizenship,” Dougherty, assistant Department of Homeland Security secretary for border, immigration and trade policy, responded.

“So the president believes they should be allowed to stay,” Kennedy responded.

“The president, yes, would like to work with Congress to get a solution,” Dougherty said, declining to give further specifics on conditions under which Dreamers should be allowed to stay in the country.

Hours later, DHS moved to distance the administration from Dougherty’s testimony.

“Mr. Dougherty was not stating administration policy or the President’s views,” said Tyler Q. Houlton, the DHS deputy press secretary. “The White House will be issuing its priorities for immigration reform in the coming week.”


The Trump administration has sent conflicting signals on the immigration issue, a focus of Trump’s 2016 campaign. Candidate Trump promised to end DACA and ultimately fulfilled that promise, but he has also expressed sympathy for the young immigrants it benefited.

“A BURDEN ON DREAMERS”

During the hearing, Dougherty said the administration’s immigration priorities include border control, better vetting, reducing visa overstays, reforming non-immigrant business visas and establishing a merit-based system that favors skilled immigrants. He said the administration also wants to expand its ability to quickly remove people who enter illegally and do not claim asylum.

Republicans in Congress have introduced several bills that would fulfill aspects of Trump’s agenda, but many Democrats and immigration groups see the proposals as poison pills that would kill the chance for a deal. Democrats say it is unfair to make legislation helping DACA recipients contingent on a broad suite of enforcement and reform measures.

“Please do not put the burden on the Dreamers to accept every aspect of comprehensive immigration reform to get a chance to become citizens of the United States,” Senator Dick Durbin said during the hearing.

Last month Trump said he was close to a deal with top Senate Democrat Chuck Schumer and top House of Representatives Democrat Nancy Pelosi on protections for DACA recipients that would have border security measures without funding construction of a wall along the U.S.-Mexican border that he promised during the campaign.

After meeting with the Democrats, Trump said, “We’re not looking at citizenship” for Dreamers. But Pelosi and Schumer said Trump had embraced provisions of a bipartisan proposal called the Dream Act that would grant permanent legal resident status to Dreamers who qualify, and eventually, a pathway to U.S. citizenship.

House Majority Leader Kevin McCarthy, who dined on Monday with Trump and other Republicans, was asked whether the president’s tentative agreement with Schumer and Pelosi was still live.

“I think what Nancy said when she left the meeting is different from what everybody else in the meeting had the impression of,” McCarthy said, declining to answer further questions.

An aide to Pelosi later said “there is no change in our understanding” after “subsequent conversations” with the White House. The aide spoke on condition of anonymity.

Schumer, at a news conference after the Democratic caucus, said, “We were explicit that the president would support...the Dream Act. If they are backing off that, we ought to know.”

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politi...ial/ar-AAsRCXz

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-u...-idUSKCN1C82DV

bi-polar ass administration... *rolls eyes.

Vze77ach 10-04-2017 12:13 AM

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Trump really enjoys in giving vague signals on DACA issue. He is not trustworthy.
Democrat should attach DA to any must passed bill , must force GOP to compromise

libertarian1776 10-04-2017 12:15 AM

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its part of his entertainment persona. remember we are living in a reality show form of governing. whats next for the DREAMers, Legal Status, Citizenship, or Deportation? stay tuned!

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Originally Posted by Vze77ach (Post 645233)
Trump really enjoys in giving vague signals on DACA issue. He is not trustworthy.
Democrat should attach DA to any must passed bill , must force GOP to compromise


2MoreYears 10-04-2017 12:35 AM

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Can't wait for season finale.

RAYADO1 10-04-2017 12:39 AM

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Originally Posted by 2MoreYears (Post 645236)
Can't wait for season finale.

haha right!

RAYADO1 10-04-2017 12:40 AM

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Did the dream act movie ever came out like 5 years ago? can’t remember...

Got_Daca 10-04-2017 12:46 AM

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Hopefully no crazy cliffhangers on the finale

rodvfolsomca 10-04-2017 01:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Got_Daca (Post 645241)
Hopefully no crazy cliffhangers on the finale

Season finale hints that they all got sent back, but we’ll find out next season.

Unfortunately, Season 2 will be delayed 3 years due to budget cuts.

Lambo Mercy 10-04-2017 01:12 AM

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Find out on the next episode of DragonBall Z!

Hallowpoint1911 10-04-2017 06:13 AM

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Not for nothing but speaking for myself I honestly don’t give a fuck about citizenship at this moment. Having a residency is good enough. Beggars can’t be choosers.

fl_dreamer 10-04-2017 09:17 AM

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They can't give us a legislation without a pathway even if that pathway to citizenship is 50 years from now. They cannot create sub-class citizens!

JJ Glo 10-04-2017 09:32 AM

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I think this is going to be an issue. The Republicans won't want to vote on a bill that will cover anyone but DACA beneficiaries and have stated, including the President that they don't want chain migration. A bill that grants us Citizenship no matter how long it takes, will cause chain migration.

Swim19 10-04-2017 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by JJ Glo (Post 645273)
I think this is going to be an issue. The Republicans won't want to vote on a bill that will cover anyone but DACA beneficiaries and have states, including the President that they don't want chain migration. A bill that grants us Citizenship no matter how long it takes, will cause chain migration.

This idea of massive chain migration is not true. As Durbin stated in the hearing, we can sponsor our parents (and the wait time for a green card for them isn't very long). Any other relative, such as parents' siblings will take a long time before a GC is ready (in many cases 20+ years).

JJ Glo 10-04-2017 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Swim19 (Post 645276)
This idea of massive chain migration is not true. As Durbin stated in the hearing, we can sponsor our parents (and the wait time for a green card for them isn't very long). Any other relative, such as parents' siblings will take a long time before a GC is ready (in many cases 20+ years).

Right, but at this time it's common knowledge that there are about 800K DACA recipients. That is the story line, that those 800k need relief, now imagine that number going up to 2.4 million due to sponsorship of our parents. And that doesn't even include our spouses, it could be up to 3 million.

Pianoswithoutfaith 10-04-2017 09:58 AM

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Wait


800,000x2= 1.6 million.

How you get 2.4 million

JJ Glo 10-04-2017 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Pianoswithoutfaith (Post 645281)
Wait


800,000x2= 1.6 million.

How you get 2.4 million

800,000 x 3

DACA recipients + two parents

Pianoswithoutfaith 10-04-2017 10:03 AM

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even with the Dream Act it'll take us a long time. At least 10 to become USC. I am gonna say that most recipients parents are from Mexico and EWI. These parents are never going to become USC it'll take them at least15 years.

JJ Glo 10-04-2017 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Pianoswithoutfaith (Post 645283)
even with the Dream Act it'll take us a long time. At least 10 to become USC. I am gonna say that most recipients parents are from Mexico and EWI. These parents are never going to become USC it'll take them at least15 years.

But you know the media will push those numbers. I can see it already, "the bill would benefit up to 2.5-3 million"

I've read reports of Obama granting "DACA amnesty to 1.5 million aliens" when we know only about 800k of us have applied, yet many people still believe it was 1.5 million.

NattUhhLee 10-04-2017 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by JJ Glo (Post 645282)
800,000 x 3

DACA recipients + two parents

That number is still too high for "chain migration". This number is assuming that every DACA recipients parents are eligible to be petitioned. We have to remember over 50% of undocumented immigrants entered without inspection (EWI) and therefore would need to have an approved waiver to undergo consular processing. And we all know that waiver is not the easiest to get approved.

Plus I'm surprised no one is mentioning that DACA recipients would have a 13-15 yr wait to become citizens, and hence would not petition parents right away.
**Yes I'm aware we can petition parents as a LPR but by the time their Priority date is current it would have been the same as waiting until the DACA recipient was a US citizen

Swim19 10-04-2017 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by NattUhhLee (Post 645287)
That number is still too high for "chain migration". This number is assuming that every DACA recipients parents are eligible to be petitioned. We have to remember over 50% of undocumented immigrants entered without inspection (EWI) and therefore would need to have an approved waiver to undergo consular processing. And we all know that waiver is not the easiest to get approved.

Plus I'm surprised no one is mentioning that DACA recipients would have a 13-15 yr wait to become citizens, and hence would not petition parents right away.
**Yes I'm aware we can petition parents as a LPR but by the time their Priority date is current it would have been the same as waiting until the DACA recipient was a US citizen

And then there's DACA recipients whose parents already have permanent residence or have USC siblings that can petition their parents when they are 21 years of age.

JJ Glo 10-04-2017 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by NattUhhLee (Post 645287)
That number is still too high for "chain migration". This number is assuming that every DACA recipients parents are eligible to be petitioned. We have to remember over 50% of undocumented immigrants entered without inspection (EWI) and therefore would need to have an approved waiver to undergo consular processing. And we all know that waiver is not the easiest to get approved.

Plus I'm surprised no one is mentioning that DACA recipients would have a 13-15 yr wait to become citizens, and hence would not petition parents right away.
**Yes I'm aware we can petition parents as a LPR but by the time their Priority date is current it would have been the same as waiting until the DACA recipient was a US citizen

I'm aware of all of this, but you have to remember, you have people who blame us for being illegal and lazy for not "getting in line and applying for citizenship" All it takes is a few uneducated stories to put out those 2 million numbers and it'll create a wave of resistance towards any bill that grants us Citizenship, especially since Trump has already came out and rejected the idea. That woman from the "center for immigration studies" at the Commitee hearing yesterday already said about 2.4 million would benefit if we got Citizenship. You will have people pushing those numbers. I guess we'll just have to wait and see if Trump changes his mind in the coming days when the White House releases is frame work, if it ever does.

Got_Daca 10-04-2017 10:17 AM

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http://www.politico.com/story/2017/1...blicans-243410

Outline of Trumps daca plan

-only current dacaers: OK
-no chain immigration: OK? Not sure
-border security: OK

Deal will be made

libertarian1776 10-04-2017 10:35 AM

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yeah i agree but the Republicans are just offering hella "poison pill" provisions that might kill the deal.

hella low ball offers to be honest.. if GOP wants all these provisions like border sec, end of chain migration, expedited deportations etc. then they should expedite our pathway to citizenship.

i hope the Democrats offer that and say, "if you want all these GOP immigration security provisions, then you should expedite the path to citizenship for DACA holders."

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Originally Posted by Got_Daca (Post 645290)
Deal will be made


SurfyB 10-04-2017 10:48 AM

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Like what do you guys expect from someone that describes hard to get aid to an island as "surrounded by water, big water, ocean water," I never thought I'd miss Obama's speech prowess so much. I'm surprised he didn't blame the people on the mass shooting for being easy targets.

Sorrybrah 10-04-2017 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by SurfyB (Post 645294)
Like what do you guys expect from someone that describes hard to get aid to an island as "surrounded by water, big water, ocean water," I never thought I'd miss Obama's speech prowess so much. I'm surprised he didn't blame the people on the mass shooting for being easy targets.

Lol he even brought up the huge debt and the financial burden to the budget.

SurfyB 10-04-2017 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Sorrybrah (Post 645298)
Lol he even brought up the huge debt and the financial burden to the budget.

And threw paper towel rolls at people like he was in a fuckin concert..

Transcend 10-04-2017 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by SurfyB (Post 645301)
And threw paper towel rolls at people like he was in a fuckin concert..

rofl, I saw that. Pretty degrading.

Transcend 10-04-2017 04:35 PM

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He also scoffed at a person for saying she'd drink water purified by purifying tablets. Amazingly insensitive.

2MoreYears 10-04-2017 05:12 PM

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Someone please suck his dick to make him happy and push harder for a solution.

Pianoswithoutfaith 10-04-2017 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by 2MoreYears (Post 645376)
Someone please suck his dick to make him happy and push harder for a solution.

So can you take one for the team?

IamAman 10-04-2017 06:17 PM

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The current DACA holder requirement should be a poison pill. It leaves me out and it will leave a lot of other people who are in HS now and never had a chance to get DACA out too.

BestBefore1984 10-04-2017 06:21 PM

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I feel for you brother. I hope they don't agree on these boison bills.

catportal 10-04-2017 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by IamAman (Post 645392)
The current DACA holder requirement should be a poison pill. It leaves me out and it will leave a lot of other people who are in HS now and never had a chance to get DACA out too.

I agree, it should be Dream Act or gtfo shut it down.

VeryNicePerson1 10-04-2017 08:21 PM

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It needs to be true Dream Act, not just a Dream Act for DACA beneficiaries...because I have a feeling whatever passes now will be the only immigration bill for a long time, and I mean long time...so I think it is best Congress gets this right, instead of half assing a bill that benefits a relatively small amount of people based on the grand scheme of things.

ceaguila 10-04-2017 08:22 PM

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CNN townhall with Pelosi at 6:00 PM. Someone should watch and summarize, not at home!


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