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Copper 11-02-2017 11:48 AM

Key Senate Democrats Unclear About Shutting Govt Over DACA
 
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Senate Democrats are debating whether to embrace brinkmanship in order to win relief for undocumented immigrants.

Senate Democrats are weighing whether to use their ultimate leverage — the threat of a government shutdown in December — in their bid to protect hundreds of thousands of so-called Dreamers from possible deportation.


Sen. Kamala Harris (D-Calif.), a prospective 2020 presidential hopeful, raised the specter of a year-end showdown last week when she declared she wouldn’t vote for a spending bill that doesn’t help children of undocumented immigrants who came to the country as minors. Republicans will need Democratic votes — definitely in the Senate and almost certainly in the House, too — to pass legislation to keep the government funded.

Other Democrats told Politico they agreed with Harris.

“It’d be very difficult for me to support the end-of-the-year bill, whatever that may be, if DACA has not been taken care of,” said Sen. Ben Cardin (D-Md.). “If we can’t take care of the Dreamers, I think it jeopardizes America’s standing on our principle strength: our values.”

But a number of other Democratic senators said they aren’t willing to go there — at least not yet.

“It is a topic which we are not raising at this point, because we hope we don’t even need to think about it,” said Senate Minority Whip Dick Durbin (D-Ill.), a party leader on immigration. “But I tell you, everyone I’ve spoken to — starting with me — are very serious this has to be done this year.”


With influential GOP senators trying to craft an immigration plan that can get buy-in from both parties, many Senate Democrats want to leave space for the talks to unfold without resorting to hard-line tactics. But less than six weeks remain until government funding runs out Dec. 8, and it’s unclear how lawmakers will bridge the immigration rift by the end of the year, as top Democrats have promised.

Meanwhile, liberal Democrats in the House are vowing more vocally to withhold their votes for a must-pass spending package if lawmakers don’t come up with a congressional backstop for the Obama-era Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals program, which President Donald Trump plans to phase out starting in March.

For now, most Senate Democrats are signaling caution, concerned that an uncompromising public stance could upend prospects of a bipartisan deal and reluctant to be seen as using Dreamers as bargaining chips.

Durbin and Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) are trying to round up support for their legislation that would let nearly 700,000 current DACA recipients and other young undocumented immigrants obtain legal status. Graham has been working on a parallel track with other Republicans to find border security and other restrictive immigration measures that lawmakers could then pair with legislation that would shield Dreamers.

Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.) declined to say whether she would vote against a spending measure without a DACA fix, stressing: “I feel very strongly we need to get it done and we need to get it done now.”

“If we do nothing between now and the end of the year and try and jam it into the spending bill, it makes it less likely that it will be a bipartisan, lasting solution to the challenge of the Dreamers,” said Sen. Chris Coons (D-Del.). “But you should hear clearly the determination of many of us to get this fixed.”

Sen. Jeanne Shaheen (D-N.H.), a member of the Senate Appropriations Committee, made similar comments: “There are a number of Republicans who’ve been out there, this is something we need to fix. I think we need to give that a chance to work and we should all try and act in good faith on that.”


Other contentious provisions are also in play during the year-end fight over annual funding levels and policy prescriptions. After backing off his insistence to secure funding for a border wall in September, Trump could again push to fund it — a nonstarter among Democrats and even some Republicans.

Congress could also use the spending package to continue payments to insurers for key Obamacare subsidies that Trump is scrapping, adding a contentious health care debate to the scramble on Capitol Hill. And lawmakers have yet to resolve the most basic element of a funding package: what the spending levels for federal agencies should be.

Democratic leaders promised earlier this year to try to attach a DACA fix to other bills, such as legislation reauthorizing a children’s health care program. But that program hasn’t been extended and few must-pass measures have actually been sent to the White House since Trump’s DACA announcement.

Some immigration advocates are urging lawmakers to include the Dream Act in a spending package, betting that GOP leaders can’t move a stand-alone measure because immigration is such a divisive issue for the party.

“We’re confident that, if Congress doesn’t address this crisis before December, which would be preferable, Democrats will make it clear that the Dream Act has to be included,” said Frank Sharry, executive director of the advocacy group America’s Voice.

But congressional Republicans are focused on tax reform rather than immigration. And senior GOP lawmakers say they want to keep immigration separate from the year-end spending talks.


“I don’t believe it will, nor should it,” Senate Majority Whip John Cornyn (R-Texas) said on whether a DACA fix will be included in a December spending deal. “If you start cramming a bunch of other stuff into it, it’s gonna be harder to get the votes to pass it.”

Senate Democrats may well decide to embrace brinkmanship closer to December, particularly if progress lags on a DACA deal in Congress. But for now, most are keeping their powder dry.

“DACA is a really urgent priority for me,” said Sen. Richard Blumenthal (D-Conn.). “I can’t say whether I would vote against a spending bill at this point, but I will do almost anything possible to assure that we approve of a DACA bill.”

https://www.politico.com/story/2017/...mocrats-244366

Demise 11-02-2017 11:55 AM

Re: Key Senate Democrats Unclear About Shutting Govt Over DACA
 
Well lets hope that those limpdicks don't start flipping when it comes to the only leverage they have.

Sorrybrah 11-02-2017 12:34 PM

Re: Key Senate Democrats Unclear About Shutting Govt Over DACA
 
There we go again lol

Got_Daca 11-02-2017 12:34 PM

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Dems are already backing off from their only shot to save DACA?

wow ok

dreamer__13 11-02-2017 12:40 PM

Re: Key Senate Democrats Unclear About Shutting Govt Over DACA
 
Wait but you guys want the wall and Raise Act. So why shut down the government lmao.

Chn 11-02-2017 12:41 PM

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Looks like Schumer told them to back off from the shutdown talk. Makes sense, you don't want to antagonize the other side before you have to.

libertarian1776 11-02-2017 12:45 PM

Re: Key Senate Democrats Unclear About Shutting Govt Over DACA
 
typical DAP reactions! ya'll react so quick from up and down news everyday!

just wait, one more month!!!

ceaguila 11-02-2017 12:49 PM

Re: Key Senate Democrats Unclear About Shutting Govt Over DACA
 
News: Trump and Senate Republicans agreed to not attach DACA fix to year-end spending bill, senators say

Via @seungminkim

bad.bunny 11-02-2017 12:50 PM

Re: Key Senate Democrats Unclear About Shutting Govt Over DACA
 
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Originally Posted by ceaguila (Post 650426)
News: Trump and Senate Republicans agreed to not attach DACA fix to year-end spending bill, senators say

Via @seungminkim

Its over

libertarian1776 11-02-2017 12:51 PM

Re: Key Senate Democrats Unclear About Shutting Govt Over DACA
 
so how they gonna get the debt ceiling raised?

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Originally Posted by ceaguila (Post 650426)
News: Trump and Senate Republicans agreed to not attach DACA fix to year-end spending bill, senators say

Via @seungminkim


year2010 11-02-2017 12:51 PM

Re: Key Senate Democrats Unclear About Shutting Govt Over DACA
 
I'm wondering, is there a benefit to be vague for this negotiation? I guess I believe in Durbin, and I'm with him since he's been fighting for us for the longest. I'm just wondering if you guys have a theory about why he's using this tactic rather then made hardline demands?

eva02 11-02-2017 12:53 PM

Re: Key Senate Democrats Unclear About Shutting Govt Over DACA
 
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Originally Posted by ceaguila (Post 650426)
News: Trump and Senate Republicans agreed to not attach DACA fix to year-end spending bill, senators say

Via @seungminkim

It doesn’t matter what they agree to. If Dems want to include it for their votes then they have that right. If not republicans need to get the votes to pass it amongst themselves.

jaylove16 11-02-2017 12:54 PM

Re: Key Senate Democrats Unclear About Shutting Govt Over DACA
 
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Originally Posted by ceaguila (Post 650426)
News: Trump and Senate Republicans agreed to not attach DACA fix to year-end spending bill, senators say

Via @seungminkim

Lol so how and when are they going to pass a daca fix? Dems better shut it down.

libertarian1776 11-02-2017 12:54 PM

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typical political posturing, they wanna see who breaks first.

there is no way they can pass anything at the end of the year with just Republicans.

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Originally Posted by eva02 (Post 650431)
It doesn’t matter what they agree to. If Dems want to include it for their votes then they have that right. If not republicans need to get the votes to pass it amongst themselves.


eva02 11-02-2017 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by year2010 (Post 650430)
I'm wondering, is there a benefit to be vague for this negotiation? I guess I believe in Durbin, and I'm with him since he's been fighting for us for the longest. I'm just wondering if you guys have a theory about why he's using this tactic rather then made hardline demands?

Because they will look like they don’t want to work with republicans to pass anything. They can blame this on republicans if they need to. “We tried cooperating with them, but they left us no choice”

Ain’t shit gonna happen between now and December.

libertarian1776 11-02-2017 12:56 PM

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just wait till jaylove16 posts a good article, then you guys will be chill.

JJ Glo 11-02-2017 12:56 PM

Re: Key Senate Democrats Unclear About Shutting Govt Over DACA
 
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Originally Posted by ceaguila (Post 650426)
News: Trump and Senate Republicans agreed to not attach DACA fix to year-end spending bill, senators say

Via @seungminkim

They better pass that shit in November then...

bad.bunny 11-02-2017 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by eva02 (Post 650435)
Because they will look like they don’t want to work with republicans to pass anything. They can blame this on republicans if they need to. “We tried cooperating with them, but they left us no choice”

Ain’t shit gonna happen between now and December.

I agree. I used to be optimistic about the passage of DA but it appears that all that optimism has faded away when I read that headline. Sadly, the DACA population are in for some rough times.

Beyonder 11-02-2017 12:58 PM

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Fox News: @POTUS: " We just had a big meeting on DACA... You'll be hearing about that very soon."

jaylove16 11-02-2017 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by bad.bunny (Post 650438)
I agree. I used to be optimistic about the passage of DA but it appears that all that optimism has faded away when I read that headline. Sadly, the DACA population are in for some rough times.

Oh hush it with your pessimism.

libertarian1776 11-02-2017 12:59 PM

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you'll change your mind again like the 90% of people on here when a good news article is posted tomorrow. lol

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Originally Posted by bad.bunny (Post 650438)
I agree. I used to be optimistic about the passage of DA but it appears that all that optimism has faded away when I read that headline. Sadly, the DACA population are in for some rough times.


4n0nym0us 11-02-2017 01:00 PM

Re: Key Senate Democrats Unclear About Shutting Govt Over DACA
 
this is starting to get tiring

bad.bunny 11-02-2017 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Beyonder (Post 650439)
Fox News: @POTUS: " We just had a big meeting on DACA... You'll be hearing about that very soon."

could this be a compromise as opposed to the budget deal attachment? only time can tell

eva02 11-02-2017 01:06 PM

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The problem is there is a March 6th deadline that everyone refers to. It’s only been roughly two months since Trump canceled the program. The timelines the republicans vs the democrats want is different. Also, both sides want to help dreamers with one side wanting a clean bill, or one with no interior enforcement and some border security. While the republicans agree to the same but some want a wall that trump is requiring in negotiations. And then some on the far right want cuts to legal immigration e verify etc. some of these people are a part of Ryan’s working daca group. That is why compromise is difficult unless democrats force their hand and agree to some border security to get more moderate republicans on board.

Transcend 11-02-2017 01:08 PM

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This must be the longest roller coaster ride in the world...can i get out now?

Btw, what time is the Senate GOP meeting with the White House

Got_Daca 11-02-2017 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Beyonder (Post 650439)
Fox News: @POTUS: " We just had a big meeting on DACA... You'll be hearing about that very soon."

Fake news.

No such tweet.

bad.bunny 11-02-2017 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Got_Daca (Post 650448)
Fake news.

No such tweet.

https://twitter.com/FoxNews/status/926128482937131009

Yes there is. Next time, do your own research, Got_LowIQ.

libertarian1776 11-02-2017 01:12 PM

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Very grim prospects for DACA now that Trump rules out immigration deal in year-end spending bill. - @mkraju

#Trump doesn't want to jeopardize HIS tax cut in any way even if it means reneging on #DACA promise to #Dems. Mb potential bargaining chip.

both sides playing hard ball, we will see come December. exciting!

zara12 11-02-2017 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by eva02 (Post 650435)

Ain’t shit gonna happen between now and December.

Then you might as well start packing, buddy! Time to fall back on your contingency plans then.

Relax. Have some hope!

Swim19 11-02-2017 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by libertarian1776 (Post 650451)
Very grim prospects for DACA now that Trump rules out immigration deal in year-end spending bill. - @mkraju

#Trump doesn't want to jeopardize HIS tax cut in any way even if it means reneging on #DACA promise to #Dems. Mb potential bargaining chip.

both sides playing hard ball, we will see come December. exciting!

Democrats have to withhold their votes then; simple as that.

JJ Glo 11-02-2017 01:15 PM

Re: Key Senate Democrats Unclear About Shutting Govt Over DACA
 
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Originally Posted by Beyonder (Post 650439)
Fox News: @POTUS: " We just had a big meeting on DACA... You'll be hearing about that very soon."

Sickening that they're just playing politics with our lives.

JJ Glo 11-02-2017 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Swim19 (Post 650453)
Democrats have to withhold their votes then; simple as that.

It's starting to look like they aren't really committed to doing that though.

libertarian1776 11-02-2017 01:17 PM

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very true!

people think that DACA fix is the only issue that they can withhold their votes on the omnibus.

other issues such as: CHIP extension, CSRs, and other Democratic priorities are also up for debate in December.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Swim19 (Post 650453)
Democrats have to withhold their votes then; simple as that.


Beyonder 11-02-2017 01:17 PM

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In my opinion, this will only increases the likelihood of a govt shutdown.

jaylove16 11-02-2017 01:22 PM

Re: Key Senate Democrats Unclear About Shutting Govt Over DACA
 
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Originally Posted by libertarian1776 (Post 650451)
Very grim prospects for DACA now that Trump rules out immigration deal in year-end spending bill. - @mkraju

#Trump doesn't want to jeopardize HIS tax cut in any way even if it means reneging on #DACA promise to #Dems. Mb potential bargaining chip.

both sides playing hard ball, we will see come December. exciting!

Some of the media and pundits love to sensationalize stuff. Ignore them!

Again , no way we are going back into the shadows!

Swim19 11-02-2017 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by JJ Glo (Post 650455)
It's starting to look like they aren't really committed to doing that though.

I didn't read the article that way. I think they are trying to first get it through as a compromise bill, and if that doesn't work then withhold their votes. They don't want to come out and say they will withhold their votes until necessary.

isk84life 11-02-2017 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Got_Daca (Post 650448)
Fake news.

No such tweet.

I watched it live on CNN. He was giving a press conference about tax reform and he started by stating that about DACA

catportal 11-02-2017 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Demise (Post 650414)
Well lets hope that those limpdicks don't start flipping when it comes to the only leverage they have.

Dem's always do this. Don't forget it was Dem's that prevented the previous DA to pass.

catportal 11-02-2017 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by libertarian1776 (Post 650433)
typical political posturing, they wanna see who breaks first.

there is no way they can pass anything at the end of the year with just Republicans.

You forget one thing, republicans can remove the 60 vote senate requirement just like they did for the supreme court judge. They have the final ACE card.

libertarian1776 11-02-2017 01:50 PM

Re: Key Senate Democrats Unclear About Shutting Govt Over DACA
 
they tried the same thing for the ACA and it didnt work.

do you really think all 52 republicans want DACA gone? they can only afford to lose 2 votes.

and with Flake and Corker not running next year, pretty sure they will withhold their votes that doesnt provide DACA fix.

same goes for Collins, Murkowski and other moderates.

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Originally Posted by catportal (Post 650476)
You forget one thing, republicans can remove the 60 vote senate requirement just like they did for the supreme court judge. They have the final ACE card.



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