Democrats' 'DREAMer' demands threaten spending bill, gov shutdown in coming weeks
 

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017...ing-weeks.html

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I’m glad the liberal democrats are flexing their muscle because they are the future of the Democratic Party. It’s about time they start fighting for us and hopefully the entire democratic caucus gets on board.

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Woooooo!

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I hope they have a laundry list of requirements. That way the republicans can’t single out just dream act in their narrative against the govt shutdown. “Democrats are holding the American people hostage over illegals” that way democrats can rebuttals that it’s not just about dreamers, but also CHIP, CSR payments, and maybe even extra hurricane relief that is also much needed, especially in Puerto Rico.

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Agreed. That would be the best strategy.

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Well this is going to be an EPIC showdown. I believe this is going down the wire. Clearly our opponents are deep inside the House Freedom Caucus and the hard line Senators led by Tom Cotton. Most of the GOP wants a Dreamer fix as well and Trump is willing to sign that shit too. The whole Democratic Party wants it. I just thing this is the best opportunity in a decade to pass Dream Act.

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We should know more about the state of affairs after Tuesday

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I believe Chucky and Nancy will look to finalize and pin down the past agreement that they had come up with Trump on Dreamers back in September I believe. Pauly and Mitchy better STFU when the three are finalizing this.

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Trump might agree with them. The problem is what happens when it gets leaked to the media and breitbart chimes in. Trump might change his mind.

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Well whoever is his appointed tardwrangler needs to keep Breitbait away from Trump.

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Clean DA is not the way.

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Let's hope once an agreement is made Congress can pass it and have Trump sign it before the far right media has time to make a lot of fuss about it.

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It's annoying, but I think those Dems MENTIONED IN THE ARTICLE (This is a relevant comment, so don't delete it just because you dislike reality) are bluffing. Plus, the DACA Recipients pushing for compromise are already on their way to DC.

The clean bill orgs will not be the only voice. Even though the centrist caravan is smaller, it will be influential enough to let Dems know that not all Dreamers are on board with a clean bill strategy.

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dream act as a “clean” provision/amendment to the omnibus has the highest chance of passing.

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I think they know that a clean Dream Act won't pass, so their reiteration is merely a hook for Republicans to draft their list and hopefully meet them half way with a compromise.

Either way, never seen anything like this in the previous looooooooong years.

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Warning: don't read the comments on that article lol... It's full of redneck racists.

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Fox News.

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Wait, what? Please elaborate because the GOP will want funding for some sort of border security measure.

Mostly every politician in D.C. knows that a clean bill amendment passing are slim to none.

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yeah the GOP can have that too and any other provisions they want in an omnibus bill. (btw, the GOP already got 1.6 million for the border wall, and the McCaul border security bill passed the house already, they just need to work it out in committee when the Senate passes their version.)

democrats dont only want dream act for the omnibus, they also want CHIP, CSR' for the ACA and other issues.

the GOP doesnt have the votes in the house and the senate to avert a govt shutdown.

the Freedom Caucus wont vote for any spending bill that will add to the deficit.

obviously, the Speaker needs Democratic votes in the house.

they also need 8 democrats in the senate.

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Clean is the best way so there is a decent compromise and everyone walks away winning something.

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A more liberal dream act is needed to counter all of the conservative proposals. What is the point of a shutdown if the only thing you are applying for is leverage...leverage for what? A more fair and better consensus on dream act!

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a clean Dream Act bill wont pass and wont even make it to the floor.

but other options are very likely,

1) amendment/provision via omnibus
2) da + border sec compromise


we shouldnt box oourselves in and go all in on one strategy, there are other ways.

but then again in the end, we have no legislative influence and advocacy groups have no say in parliamentary procedures. ill take whatever they come up with and how they pass it is irrelevant to me.

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Comment section at fox news is lit

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What are they saying?

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Nope. No way in hell in a clean bill can pass. GOP will want a border security provision. No buts or ifs. You are beyond optimistic.

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Mmmmmmm

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dude thats fine, they already passed the McCaul border security bill and 1.6mil for the border wall in the house anyway

then the democrats can get dream act, chip, and cost sharing reduction payments.

they’ll prolly come up with a compromise last minute to avert the shutdown anyway even if its a half assed relief.

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Where are the NYTimes and WaPost counterparts to this article? I want to consider my sources.

False choice: it's not either or; every Democratic vote on this budget bill will affect every single childhood arrival, thousands of TPS recipients who are childhood arrivals, and the children rotting away in detention centers right now. It's about helping as many as possible with the same vote. That is the leverage.
Kudos to my home state of WA progressive caucus for holding the line; especially Rep. Jayapal!!
Kudos to Sens. Murray and Cantwell for standing up for Americans and their right to health care and safety; for a clean environment, and for feedom of information, speech, and a free press by fighting for net neutrality.

Nope. A 'clean' Dream Act is THE Dream Act, as is, waiting right now in Congress.

Daca was a half-assed effort with arbitrary and discriminatory age limits.

This moment has been 17 years in the making. Dream Act now.

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Where are the votes for a clean Dream Act? If by luck a clean bill passes through Congress, Trump is not going to sign it. He wants something in return--plain and simple. This is not Burger King; we can't have it our way.

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>discriminatory age limits

how can some of you be so dumb, i swear.
how can you say someone that moved here when they were 16 is one in the same as someone who got here as a baby.
what the actual fuck.

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What are you guys referring to when you say a "clean DA" is not going to happen? The omnibus already has the wall and a bunch of other shit the Republican want. Are you guys saying you don't want a pathway to citizenship and etc... in the DA being attached to the omnibus?

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Trump will sign it if it's part of the spending bill. He's not shutting down the government at hundred millions a day so he can cock block us.

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I don't think he is refering to the age of entry. He is talking about having to be younger than 30 year old when applying for DACA which is extremely unfair.

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What exactly is your issue with those who did not arrive at mere months as infants?

Your subtext is that those who arrived at 16, 17, are less 'American'. Honey, there is a little glitch in your logic in that American laws, like those in civilized countries, state that a minor is a child.*

*Minor= Under age 18.

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Seems fair to me that below 30's arent DACA qualifed. Makes sense. Deferred action for CHILDHOOD arrivals.

make it seem as if they are still a child at 30. Manchildren dont count.

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You don’t make any sense. The age at which one arrived as a child has no bearing on how old that person is now does it?

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1) Their age should not matter as long as they entered the country as a minor
2) There seems to be a confusion about the phrase "clean dream act". I think (want to believe) what most are stating when they say "clean dream act" is the "dream act" that would eventually get us green cards; and not a daca extension or one of the other versions that is floating out there. I do not think anybody is against attaching "border security" to the "dream act".

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I am going by UWD's definition of clean Dream Act. Legalizing dreamers without giving Republicans ANY of their border security demands.

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nice job deflecting the question.
explain how someone that went through an american school system.
grew up in america.
and has lived in america since infancy, is somehow the same as a 16 year old that just got here yesterday.

and try not to deflect this time.

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Are you cuban by any chance?