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Ianus 12-02-2017 04:02 AM

McCarthy Says DACA Fix Unlikely Before End Of The Year
 
http://dailycaller.com/2017/12/01/mc...d-of-the-year/
Quote:

House Majority Leader Kevin McCarthy said Friday a legislative fix to the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) program is unlikely to be taken up before the end of the year.

The California Republican — who is a member of the GOP’s eight-person DACA working group — said while discussions are taking place, the lower chamber is currently pressed to complete other time-sensitive matters before the end of the year.


“Well you know, DACA you have until March. I don’t see the answer to that yet, because you’ve got to have border security as well, but I see progress being made,” McCarthy told The Daily Caller Friday. “Right now we have the funding of government — we’ve got to get that done, and then I believe we’ll get DACA done in time before that deadline.”

While House Republican leadership has repeatedly said they would prefer DACA to be passed as a stand-alone bill, a rising number of GOP lawmakers are calling for it to be attached to must-pass legislation.

Republican Virginia Rep. Scott Taylor is spearheading a letter, which is rumored to have upwards of 30 GOP signatures, calling for action to be taken before the end of the year that’s expected to be sent to House Speaker Paul Ryan early next week.

Florida Republican Rep. Carlos Curbelo said he refuses to vote for any spending measure that doesn’t include a provision on the program, which protects individuals who entered the country illegally as children from deportation.

McCarthy told TheDC language on DACA won’t be attached to the upcoming short-term continuing resolution, which has to pass if lawmakers want to keep the government open after Dec. 8.

Top Democrats have repeatedly said they want to find a permanent, bipartisan solution for the program. Theoretically, if enough Republicans get on board with a Democratic-led plan, they could bypass GOP leadership’s plans.

Despite a handful of lawmakers pushing to act the close of 2017, McCarthy said he’s not concerned members of his conference will attempt to buck leadership’s timeline on the issue.

“No — there’s a lot of people that want to make sure they solve the DACA issue, but we’ve got to do it right,” he told TheDC.
...In short, they are bringing this down to the wire in March.

isk84life 12-02-2017 04:05 AM

Re: McCarthy Says DACA Fix Unlikely Before End Of The Year
 
That’s what he wants. Doesn’t mean he will get it his way. He also said this in the morning. Before all the other news came.

jaylove16 12-02-2017 04:13 AM

Re: McCarthy Says DACA Fix Unlikely Before End Of The Year
 
They are acting as if they have the upper hand . They don’t !’

libertarian1776 12-02-2017 04:18 AM

Re: McCarthy Says DACA Fix Unlikely Before End Of The Year
 
it should pass by the 8th or by the 22nd of this month now that tax reform is done.

idk what issues this fool is talking about, daca is now at the forefront of the debate.

other time sensitive issues such as chip, csr, military spending, border sec/wall, etc can all be addressed with daca in the year end spending/omnibus bill.

cooltalker 12-02-2017 05:58 AM

Re: McCarthy Says DACA Fix Unlikely Before End Of The Year
 
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Originally Posted by Ianus (Post 656228)
In short, they are bringing this down to the wire in March.

Actually, when March comes, they will find some other way to obstruct it. But even if it is brought to the floor in March, it will fail since Dems may have no leverage. Repubes will ask for all of their demands to be met in exchanges for throwing us a small bone like the Bridge Act.

Smooth 12-02-2017 07:19 AM

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No pushing it back. At least 70 Republicans want this fixed by this December. Get this shit done lazy ass. You have had YEARS to do it the right way. If they push this back beyond this December, they will want mote border security concessions. At that point, what leverage will Democrats have?

jaylove16 12-02-2017 07:55 AM

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House Majority Leader Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.) discusses on the HillCast Power Politics podcast how Congress will handle a legislative fix for young undocumented immigrants in the U.S.

In a wide-ranging interview with The Hill's Alexis Simendinger and Reid Wilson, McCarthy voices confidence that a legislative solution could be reached within the next four months and discusses Democrats' sweep of last month's elections in Virginia, among other topics.
He is full of shit . I listened to this whole interview and when they asked about their agenda for 2018, he didn’t even mention DACA. He actually was talking about entitle reform and infrastructure. Until the reporters called him out on it did he claim he hopes they can get it done by March . Fuck him! He actually said with a straight face that Democrats were to blame for not going to that meeting with trump.

http://thehill.com/podcasts/hillcast...ys-latest-news

Smooth 12-02-2017 08:12 AM

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Originally Posted by jaylove16 (Post 656236)
He is full of shit . I listened to this whole interview and when they asked about their agenda for 2018, he didn’t even mention DACA. He actually was talking about entitle reform and infrastructure. Until the reporters called him out on it did he claim he hopes they can get it done by March . Fuck him! He actually said with a straight face that Democrats were to blame for not going to that meeting with trump.

http://thehill.com/podcasts/hillcast...ys-latest-news

If Dems do not stand their ground, we are screwed.

The GOP rushed through the damn tax bill, but it wants to take its sweet time on DACA.

No more pushing back the issue. Shut the government down.

jaylove16 12-02-2017 08:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Smooth (Post 656239)
If Dems do not stand their ground, we are screwed.

The GOP rushed through the damn tax bill, but it wants to take its sweet time on DACA.

No more pushing back the issue. Shut the government down.

Exactly. The GOP leadership plan is to try to make Dems lose leverage on this issue. Then they pass the harshest and restrictive bill even worse than the bridge act with a ton of enforcement at the last minute.

Got_Daca 12-02-2017 08:40 AM

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If DA is not coupled with omnibus, then it will be DA + Raise

It might as well crash and burn

Jose602 12-02-2017 09:22 AM

Re: McCarthy Says DACA Fix Unlikely Before End Of The Year
 
Democrats have to hold their stance on shutting down the government over the fundiing bill on dec 8, no mater what any rebublican says and I promise you we will have da passed. If da is pushed to March what ever we get if anything will be bad.

eva02 12-02-2017 10:54 AM

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Ianus is the king of finding bad articles for us

DogJuiceMan 12-02-2017 11:34 AM

Re: McCarthy Says DACA Fix Unlikely Before End Of The Year
 
Ianus has no desire to see us DACAs suceed, he has already "got his".

jaylove16 12-02-2017 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by eva02 (Post 656249)
Ianus is the king of finding bad articles for us

Funny thing is he used to be the complete opposite back in the day .

Don’t worry I’ll counter him with my next thread . Lol

hopeful_in_nyc 12-02-2017 12:10 PM

Re: McCarthy Says DACA Fix Unlikely Before End Of The Year
 
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Originally Posted by eva02 (Post 656249)
Ianus is the king of finding bad articles for us

It’s the daily caller.. super conservative. I’m sure they fluffed it up to make it seem worse than it is..

Ianus 12-02-2017 12:10 PM

Re: McCarthy Says DACA Fix Unlikely Before End Of The Year
 
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Originally Posted by cooltalker (Post 656233)
Actually, when March comes, they will find some other way to obstruct it. But even if it is brought to the floor in March, it will fail since Dems may have no leverage. Repubes will ask for all of their demands to be met in exchanges for throwing us a small bone like the Bridge Act.

I agree. The way of obstructing by the repubes have been to stall on consensus while appearing to legislate. Once after August recess, it is all politics! This is the fifth Congressional cycle in which the same game is played.

jaylove16 12-02-2017 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Ianus (Post 656260)
I agree. The way of obstructing by the repubes have been to stall on consensus while appearing to legislate. Once after August recess, it is all politics! This is the fifth Congressional cycle in which the same game is played.

The difference is DACA. There has never been a situation like this in the past. I understand your skepticism due to what happened in 2010 etc, but you can’t honestly tell me the circumstances are not totally different now.

Demise 12-02-2017 12:14 PM

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McCarthy says, yeah the House Majority Leader and the golden child of the Freedom Caucus doesn't want something.

Someone give that man a pacifier.

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Originally Posted by jaylove16 (Post 656262)
The difference is DACA. There has never been a situation like this in the past. I understand your skepticism due to what happened in 2010 etc, but you can’t honestly tell me the circumstances are not totally different now.

Basically this. DACA brought us out of the shadows to being functional members of society. Back in 2010 doing nothing just meant the status quo, right now doing nothing equals 800k people losing their work authorization, huge tax revenue losses, and a whole lot of companies losing their employees.

Trump fucked up really bad by cancelling the program.

Swim19 12-02-2017 12:38 PM

Re: McCarthy Says DACA Fix Unlikely Before End Of The Year
 
Dems shouldn't trust the GOP, but this is from a similar article by The Hill:

Quote:

During a wide-ranging interview for The Hill’s Power Politics podcast, McCarthy (R-Calif.) expressed confidence that a politically difficult impasse could be bridged in Congress within the next four months.

“I believe at the end of the day, we’ll come to an agreement together to get that done,” he said.

Quote:

McCarthy said talks within an immigration working group, and his conversations with senior Democratic lawmakers have been “very productive…to see where we can go to solve this DACA problem, and where we can actually have stronger border security.”

http://thehill.com/homenews/house/36...-daca-solution

Ianus 12-02-2017 12:43 PM

Re: McCarthy Says DACA Fix Unlikely Before End Of The Year
 
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Originally Posted by jaylove16 (Post 656262)
The difference is DACA. There has never been a situation like this in the past. I understand your skepticism due to what happened in 2010 etc, but you can’t honestly tell me the circumstances are not totally different now.

Actually, after reading through immigration programs and history, the situation is not technically unique. Presidents have been known to use their broad authority to grant discretion to individuals based on the unique circumstances at the time. Also, following Presidents have also been known to take away the very same discretion authorized if they were from a different party.

Still, on Congress, I am referencing back all the way to 2007 (which includes 2010). The Republican conference (both Senate and House) has used the same stalling tactics for the last 10 years on ALL pieces of legislation (from CIR to Dream Act) which tentatively authorizes the US government to forgive past unlawful presence. The same message has been given over the years if you look at what lawmakers have mentioned.

Imo, the biggest cruelty is to give a false hope when the evidence over many years have pointed in the opposite direction.

dtrt09 12-02-2017 01:21 PM

Re: McCarthy Says DACA Fix Unlikely Before End Of The Year
 
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Originally Posted by Smooth (Post 656235)
No pushing it back. At least 70 Republicans want this fixed by this December. Get this shit done lazy ass. You have had YEARS to do it the right way. If they push this back beyond this December, they will want mote border security concessions. At that point, what leverage will Democrats have?

We have heard this for years from both parties. No, Democrats will have to attach it to any funding stat.

jaylove16 12-02-2017 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Ianus (Post 656268)
Actually, after reading through immigration programs and history, the situation is not technically unique. Presidents have been known to use their broad authority to grant discretion to individuals based on the unique circumstances at the time. Also, following Presidents have also been known to take away the very same discretion authorized if they were from a different party.

Still, on Congress, I am referencing back all the way to 2007 (which includes 2010). The Republican conference (both Senate and House) has used the same stalling tactics for the last 10 years on ALL pieces of legislation (from CIR to Dream Act) which tentatively authorizes the US government to forgive past unlawful presence. The same message has been given over the years if you look at what lawmakers have mentioned.

Imo, the biggest cruelty is to give a false hope when the evidence over many years have pointed in the opposite direction.

Can you give me an example of such status being taken away from almost a million people?

cooltalker 12-02-2017 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by jaylove16 (Post 656277)
Can you give me an example of such status being taken away from almost a million people?

They are ending TPS. It is estimated that US will lose $164 billion in GDP over a decade due to the loss of legal TPS workers, but that is not stopping anyone from ending their status. DACA and TPS are different things, but you get the point.
Source:
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...l-lead-164b-g/

libertarian1776 12-02-2017 07:26 PM

Re: McCarthy Says DACA Fix Unlikely Before End Of The Year
 
pretty sure this country will deal with TPS, they gave them 18-24 months.

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Originally Posted by cooltalker (Post 656340)
They are ending TPS. It is estimated that US will lose $164 billion in GDP over a decade due to the loss of legal TPS workers, but that is not stopping anyone from ending their status. DACA and TPS are different things, but you get the point.
Source:
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...l-lead-164b-g/


cooltalker 12-02-2017 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by libertarian1776 (Post 656341)
pretty sure this country will deal with TPS, they gave them 18-24 months.

Well, if that's the argument than they dealt with DACA as well. They gave 6 months to 2 years for people to prepare to leave.

The point is Repubes don't care at all about economic impact or sympathy when it comes to immigration topics in general.

libertarian1776 12-02-2017 07:38 PM

Re: McCarthy Says DACA Fix Unlikely Before End Of The Year
 
they will deal with DACA this month.

the next Congress will deal with TPS 18-24 months from now.

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Originally Posted by cooltalker (Post 656344)
Well, if that's the argument than they dealt with DACA as well. They gave 6 months to 2 years for people to prepare to leave.

The point is Repubes don't care at all about economic impact or sympathy when it comes to immigration topics in general.


dreamer__13 12-02-2017 07:40 PM

Re: McCarthy Says DACA Fix Unlikely Before End Of The Year
 
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Originally Posted by cooltalker (Post 656340)
They are ending TPS. It is estimated that US will lose $164 billion in GDP over a decade due to the loss of legal TPS workers, but that is not stopping anyone from ending their status. DACA and TPS are different things, but you get the point.
Source:
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...l-lead-164b-g/

Only thing we can do is remain positive or pack our shit.

cooltalker 12-02-2017 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by dreamer__13 (Post 656346)
Only thing we can do is remain positive or pack our shit.

I am actually positive that this month will yield something for us (or at least hoping). The point I was making is that Repubes don't care about our economic contributions, sympathy toward our case, or the fact that we are out of the shadows already. None of that matters to them. Dems (especially Durbin) and maybe me one or two Republicans want to help us, and that is the only reason we have a fighting chance.

Got_Daca 12-02-2017 08:36 PM

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McCarthy is unlikely to be right

dreamer__13 12-02-2017 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by cooltalker (Post 656362)
I am actually positive that this month will yield something for us (or at least hoping). The point I was making is that Repubes don't care about our economic contributions, sympathy toward our case, or the fact that we are out of the shadows already. None of that matters to them. Dems (especially Durbin) and maybe me one or two Republicans want to help us, and that is the only reason we have a fighting chance.

Oh yea they don’t give a fuck. They never have.

Demise 12-03-2017 02:18 AM

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Unless McCarthy is about to legally redefine the year he can eat a dick.

Smooth 12-03-2017 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by dtrt09 (Post 656276)
We have heard this for years from both parties. No, Democrats will have to attach it to any funding stat.

Yeah, as fond as I am of some Republicans like Curbelo, I do not trust the likes of Cornyn, Rubio, or McConnell. Democrats have the leverage; they should exploit it this year. F*ck it.

Demise 12-04-2017 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Smooth (Post 656534)
Yeah, as fond as I am of some Republicans like Curbelo, I do not trust the likes of Cornyn, Rubio, or McConnell. Democrats have the leverage; they should exploit it this year. F*ck it.

Pretty much. If it fails might as well go scorched Earth and keep the government shut down until a democratic president is sworn in. Belgium did fine without a central government for 541 days. Any of us living in the first world states will be fine as well, NY and CA aren't collapsing without the feds, but shitholes like Iowa and Kansas will have to resort to cannibalism.


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