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IbelieveIcanFly 12-13-2017 05:36 PM

Democrats Appear To Have Lost The DACA Fight For Now (Opinion)
 
The Democrats*thought that December*was the month they could use the threat of a government shutdown to force congressional Republicans to pass a law that offers*protections from deportation and other benefits*for some young undocumented immigrants.

But the passage this month of such a law, along the lines of the Obama administration’s Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals program, now looks very unlikely. Why? Because at least right now, Democrats appear not to have much leverage in terms of forcing the GOP to accept a DACA-style bill, in part because a group of House Republicans who strongly oppose such a provision may have more sway. It looks like Congress will fund the government and avoid a shutdown in the next few weeks — without addressing DACA.

How did the GOP gain leverage in the shutdown fight?

Republicans in the House finally unified.

As I described*last week, the past few major government funding bills, both with Barack Obama in office and now with President Trump, have been approved with bipartisan votes in the House and the Senate. Conservatives in the House had balked at voting for these bills because they didn’t include huge spending cuts, so the measures would not have had nearly enough votes to pass in the House had Democrats not joined some Republicans in backing them.

After a*bipartisan spending bill*passed in September, providing funding until Dec. 8, Democrats on Capitol Hill started talking about using their votes on government funding bills as leverage. Their thinking was that if they were going to prevent a government shutdown when Republicans were in charge of the House, Senate and presidency (and would therefore presumably be blamed if the government closed up shop), Democrats should get one of their big priorities in exchange.*Party activists and some lawmakers*had centered on a DACA-style bill as what they really wanted. (It was not clear if this provision would be tucked into the spending bill or just that GOP leaders would agree to take it up as a part of a formal agreement in order to get the spending approved.)

When the two-week funding bill put forward last week didn’t include a DACA provision, Democrats in the House tried this new strategy: Instead of backing the measure, which kept*federal funding at similar levels*as the bill from September did, 175 of the 189 House Democrats voted against it. But*221 of 239 Republicans*supported this one, including House Freedom Caucus leaders Jim Jordan of Ohio and Mark Meadows of North Carolina, members who had voted*against past spending bills.

Funding is now scheduled to run out on*Dec. 22, so another big deadline looms. But what happened last week suggests that Republicans in the House are likely to succeed in passing another spending bill along partisan lines.

Why didn’t Democrats in the Senate stop the funding extension?

Democrats in the Senate could have blocked the funding bill, since government spending bills can be filibustered (meaning you need*60 votes*for this kind of legislation, and Republicans only have 52 seats right now). But then Democrats could have been blamed directly for a government shutdown, and polls suggest that the public may not have*responded favorably*to a shutdown over DACA.

The House was the real place for Democrats to gain leverage by a combination of Republicans and Democrats opposing the spending legislation. That did not happen, so most Senate Democrats backed the funding bill, and it was approved in the Senate by an*81-14 vote.

Why did the House conservatives change their tactics?

Essentially the Freedom Caucus and other conservative House members have moved from an offensive position (demanding cuts) to a more defensive one. Conservatives in the House are*suggesting*that they will vote for future spending bills even if they do not include major cuts as long as they also don’t include the priorities of either Democrats or more liberal Republicans, such as a DACA-type law or provisions that are designed to help the functioning of the Obamacare marketplaces. In effect, the heightened Democratic demands moved recalcitrant conservatives in the House to join with their party instead of risking a split that might allow Democrats to reach some of their goals.

What does this mean in terms of a shutdown?

Well, last week’s vote suggests enough Republican unity that while a shutdown around Dec. 22 is possible, it is fairly unlikely. I would expect Senate Democrats to continue to be wary of forcing a government shutdown over DACA. So look for more spending bills to pass with basically only Republicans in House and a bipartisan coalition in the Senate.

What then for DACA?

If the Democrats can’t force Republicans to accept DACA legislation in this government funding process, they will have lost a big opportunity. Under the policy Trump announced in September, DACA protections that expire after*March 6*cannot be renewed. Congress in effect still has two months to adopt some new policy. But without the leverage of a potential government shutdown, Republicans are likely to demand provisions that Democrats strongly oppose, like*funding for Trump’s proposed border wall, as part of any bill that would include a DACA-style law.

So DACA is not dead. But the monthslong debate about its future — which has left its more than*600,000 beneficiaries*in limbo — is likely to extend past December.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features...fight-for-now/

Continue the roller coaster ride. Interesting article analyzing the situation but I wouldn't read too much into it ..

Smooth 12-13-2017 05:39 PM

Re: Democrats Appear To Have Lost The DACA Fight For Now
 
Thanks for the share.

I hope the writer is dead wrong. Fingers crossed.

eva02 12-13-2017 05:42 PM

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The freedom caucus ain’t running shit

eva02 12-13-2017 05:43 PM

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Democrats need to demand all these programs in one spending package and use all of those programs as coverage to filibuster in the senate

jaylove16 12-13-2017 05:43 PM

Re: Democrats Appear To Have Lost The DACA Fight For Now
 
This writer is dead wrong. Susan collins just got guarantee that Obamacare payments are going to be part of the funding bill. Please stop posting opinions like it's the fact.

JJ Glo 12-13-2017 05:45 PM

Re: Democrats Appear To Have Lost The DACA Fight For Now
 
I think the best shot we have is the group that Flake is working with. Their bill will have to be brought up for a vote on its own. I think DA on the omnibus is dead.

Adrian2145 12-13-2017 05:45 PM

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Schumer said otherwise yesterday. This is speculation. They all know a shutdown is bad for both parties but dems said they will not support a spending bill that doesn’t fit their agenda.

JJ Glo 12-13-2017 05:46 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jaylove16 (Post 660114)
This writer is dead wrong. Susan collins just got guarantee that Obamacare payments are going to be part of the funding bill. Please stop posting opinions like it's the fact.

I don't recall Mitch or Ryan saying that wouldn't be on the omnibus like they have with DA.

jaylove16 12-13-2017 05:46 PM

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Funding for key ObamaCare insurer subsidies is likely to be included in the upcoming government funding bill, Sen. Susan Collins (R-Maine) said Wednesday.

Collins said she had received reassurances Tuesday from Vice President Pence that the subsidies, opposed by House conservatives, would be in the funding bill.

“The vice president and I had a discussion yesterday that reinforced that agreement that the bills will be considered before the end of the year,” Collins said.


Collins said it appears that both bills will pass along with the next continuing resolution to fund the government, despite objections from House conservatives. The current funding bill expires Dec. 22.


Meadows said including the payments could be “problematic” for conservatives, but Democratic support could make up for the lost Republican votes.

http://thehill.com/policy/healthcare...-spending-bill

Paul Ryan is definitely going to need house democratic votes to pass this. I have more faith in the house democrats not voting yes unless they get what they are asking for.

jaylove16 12-13-2017 05:47 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by JJ Glo (Post 660117)
I don't recall Mitch or Ryan saying that wouldn't be on the omnibus like they have with DA.

If it is part of the Omnibus then rest assured house conservatives will vote against it in large numbers. Which puts the leverage in the laps of house democrats.

Mods can you edit the title?

versailles 12-13-2017 05:50 PM

Re: Democrats Appear To Have Lost The DACA Fight For Now
 
just an opinion piece...

JJ Glo 12-13-2017 05:52 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jaylove16 (Post 660119)
If it is part of the Omnibus then rest assured house conservatives will vote against it in large numbers. Which puts the leverage in the laps of house democrats.

Mods can you edit the title?

If.

If they pass the Tax bill first, there is no guarantee it will be on the Omnibus.

uion1715 12-13-2017 05:57 PM

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Reminder, Democrats: That 2013 shutdown Republicans took a large blame for? Ultimately didn't end up mattering. Shutting down the government (as long as it's not like three-months long) may not have a big political cost as Democrats seem to be afraid of.

ayran123 12-13-2017 06:00 PM

Re: Democrats Appear To Have Lost The DACA Fight For Now
 
I dont think we should dismiss the article completely. Democrats are all talk and they are definately losing leverage over daca solutions. There is absolutely no way republicans will even touch the daca issue next year. Its now or never. Pushing this issue to Jan 2018 is unacceptable and its sad that democrats would not stand up for what they believe in for posibilities in votes and the election.

catportal 12-13-2017 06:35 PM

Re: Democrats Appear To Have Lost The DACA Fight For Now (Opinion)
 
So basically, Dem's don't have the balls to stomach a 'shutdown'. They rolled over and gave up their only leverage. Hope they get destroyed in 2018.

tays123 12-13-2017 06:36 PM

Re: Democrats Appear To Have Lost The DACA Fight For Now (Opinion)
 
538? The website that said Hilary was going to win the election with 80% probability? Sure! Ok.

catportal 12-13-2017 06:43 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by tays123 (Post 660146)
538? The website that said Hilary was going to win the election with 80% probability? Sure! Ok.

Actually they were the most accurate, they said Hillary was going to win with only ~60% probability. Every other polling org was much more off.

tf2legend 12-13-2017 06:53 PM

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Chill out there are ongoing talks behind the scenes. It's like night and day here with every article posted.
One day it's like "We're doomed, the world is ending!!" and other day is "We're getting legalized, lets party"!!!

Many members have said they are optimistic they will come to agreement before years end. At this point they have to move fast though.

uion1715 12-13-2017 06:56 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by tf2legend (Post 660161)
Chill out there are ongoing talks behind the scenes. It's like night and day here with every article posted.
One day it's like "We're doomed, the world is ending!!" and other day is "We're getting legalized, lets party"!!!

Many members have said they are optimistic they will come to agreement before years end. At this point they have to move fast though.

Yeah, I am confident that some kind of a bill will be proposed and (likely) voted on, probably after Dec. 22 but before Jan. 31. The frustration comes from the belief (Mine and many others at least) that Democrats can easily push this timeframe up and guarantee its passage through the spending bill.

SurfyB 12-13-2017 07:03 PM

Re: Democrats Appear To Have Lost The DACA Fight For Now (Opinion)
 
And here I was thinking the victory in Alabama would give them more momentum..

Swim19 12-13-2017 07:03 PM

Re: Democrats Appear To Have Lost The DACA Fight For Now (Opinion)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by uion1715 (Post 660162)
Yeah, I am confident that some kind of a bill will be proposed and (likely) voted on, probably after Dec. 22 but before Jan. 31. The frustration comes from the belief (Mine and many others at least) that Democrats can easily push this timeframe up and guarantee its passage through the spending bill.

There's so many extra hurdles if they do this separate from the spending bill - if McConnell & Ryan will even allow a vote on it and then the possibility of a Trump veto.

MIdreamer 12-13-2017 07:09 PM

Re: Democrats Appear To Have Lost The DACA Fight For Now (Opinion)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Swim19 (Post 660168)
There's so many extra hurdles if they do this separate from the spending bill - if McConnell & Ryan will even allow a vote on it and then the possibility of a Trump veto.

Ryan will never allow tbe vote because any DACA fix bill will not get majority of Republican support.

uion1715 12-13-2017 07:15 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by MIdreamer (Post 660171)
Ryan will never allow tbe vote because any DACA fix bill will not get majority of Republican support.

Yeah, Democrats at least need to get the House vote on their "compromise" DACA fix before the spending bill....Hell, they should freaking reveal what's in their compromise this week so things can progress.

dtrt09 12-13-2017 11:38 PM

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Not adding Dream Act to the spending bill is unacceptable. They sat on their hands knstead of actively negotiating since the reintroduction of Dream Act in July.

Banners and stickers and logos do no equal action. You won't see them offering these for other issues. It's nothing to do with the fact that we are not citizens. It's got everything to do with integrity.

JayR9 12-14-2017 01:15 AM

Re: Democrats Appear To Have Lost The DACA Fight For Now (Opinion)
 
If DA doesn't pass this month, then DA is dead most likely until 2020. That or we get a shit deal passed in March.


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