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Ianus 12-29-2017 10:41 AM
Trump demands Democrats cave on border wall before DACA fix
 
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...fix/989644001/
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President Trump demanded Friday that Democrats approve a wall along the border with Mexico and other programs to tighten immigration before he supports a program designed to protect young people brought into the country illegally as children – all while promoting his agenda and attacking political critics on Twitter.

"The Democrats have been told, and fully understand, that there can be no DACA without the desperately needed WALL at the Southern Border and an END to the horrible Chain Migration & ridiculous Lottery System of Immigration etc. We must protect our Country at all cost!" Trump said during a wide-ranging tweet storm.
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The Democrats have been told, and fully understand, that there can be no DACA without the desperately needed WALL at the Southern Border and an END to the horrible Chain Migration & ridiculous Lottery System of Immigration etc. We must protect our Country at all cost!
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) December 29, 2017
DACA refers to the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals program, which protected hundreds of thousands of young people brought into the country illegally by their parents – a program Trump has vowed to end after March 1 unless Congress approves new border enforcement issues.

Democrats say ending DACA will lead to deportations of productive young people. They also say Trump's proposed wall along the U.S.-Mexico border will do nothing to stop illegal immigration while programs targeted by Trump are tightly scrutinized to weed out criminals and terrorism suspects.

During his serial set of tweets, Trump also went after the postal service – and Amazon.

"Why is the United States Post Office, which is losing many billions of dollars a year, while charging Amazon and others so little to deliver their packages, making Amazon richer and the Post Office dumber and poorer?" Trump said. "Should be charging MUCH MORE!"
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Why is the United States Post Office, which is losing many billions of dollars a year, while charging Amazon and others so little to deliver their packages, making Amazon richer and the Post Office dumber and poorer? Should be charging MUCH MORE!
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) December 29, 2017
rump did not provide an economic analysis of his post office complaint, but it is worth noting that Amazon was created by Jeff Bezos – who also just happens to own The Washington Post, a frequent target of Trump complaints about the media.

The president also defended his time in office by re-tweeting tributes from Charlie Kirk, founder and executive director of the conservative group Turning Point USA, who cited the recently signed tax cuts, de-regulation efforts, judicial appointments, and the fight against and the Islamic State.

Trump's morning Twitterstorm also complained about news coverage, this time regarding his low approval ratings.

"While the Fake News loves to talk about my so-called low approval rating, @foxandfriends just showed that my rating on Dec. 28, 2017, was approximately the same as President Obama on Dec. 28, 2009, which was 47%...and this despite massive negative Trump coverage & Russia hoax!" the president said.

Yet that is just one poll – others have Trump's approval rating in the low 40s or 30s.

The Real Clear Politics website average on Friday had Trump's ratings at 39.3% approve and 56.2% disapprove.

On this date in 2009, during Obama's first year in office, the site put Obama at a 49.9% average approval rating and a 44.5% disapproval rating.

JavierHTx 12-29-2017 11:18 AM
Re: Trump demands Democrats cave on border wall before DACA fix
 
You guys want more proof that he doesn’t care about dreamers? This was his plan all along to use us as hostages to get he demands through. He cannot end chain immigration, that would ruin more families than anything.

2MoreYears 12-29-2017 11:18 AM
Re: Trump demands Democrats cave on border wall before DACA fix
 
Democracts must cave a little. Give him border security ( includes parts for the fence), end visa lotto and limit chain migration.

Cybore 12-29-2017 11:40 AM
Re: Trump demands Democrats cave on border wall before DACA fix
 
This is the crap we have to deal with due to Democrats kicking the can down the road.

hopeful_in_nyc 12-29-2017 11:45 AM
Re: Trump demands Democrats cave on border wall before DACA fix
 
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Originally Posted by JavierHTx (Post 663873)
You guys want more proof that he doesn’t care about dreamers? This was his plan all along to use us as hostages to get he demands through. He cannot end chain immigration, that would ruin more families than anything.
What did you think, that he actually might care? Whoever is in office and working on any type of reform will demand something in return to a fix or a law, that’s a given. I’m personally for limiting chain migration. Spouses and children only. I’ve seen too many instances in my own family where brothers sponsored brothers and their wives and kids, where the kids gave up their GC because they did not want to be in the states. I even had an instance of grandparents being sponsored, receiving their GC and giving it up. That’s 6 green cards that could have gone to people who actually deserve and need it to survive.
As much as the dems have been caving and we’re so quick to point fingers at Schumer and Pelosi, I do think they realize what they have to give up in order to gain- the first step in immigration reform. Everyone chill out, stop bitching and wait for the new year. I think it’s going to be a good one. 🤞🏾

moto 12-29-2017 11:55 AM
Re: Trump demands Democrats cave on border wall before DACA fix
 
Whatever they do, I hope they reach a deal. Some demands are totally feasible.

tusol17 12-29-2017 12:09 PM
Re: Trump demands Democrats cave on border wall before DACA fix
 
Does chain migration include marriage? I'm sure that's how his wife adjusted after all -.-

PhelonOne87 12-29-2017 12:11 PM
Re: Trump demands Democrats cave on border wall before DACA fix
 
Give him the wall , limit chain migration and end the fucken lottery visa system it’s that simple guys I know some of us might not agree but these are not bizarre requests , they could have been worst to the point that we knew that no deal would be reached I feel confident this January 2018 is our year .

hopeful_in_nyc 12-29-2017 12:13 PM
Re: Trump demands Democrats cave on border wall before DACA fix
 
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Originally Posted by tusol17 (Post 663886)
Does chain migration include marriage? I'm sure that's how his wife adjusted after all -.-
Yes, but that will definitely remain in tact.. Right now family based sponsorship (which results in “chain migration”) includes spouses, children, parents, brothers and sisters. IMO it should be spouses and children only. And parents in extreme circumstances.

hopeful_in_nyc 12-29-2017 12:14 PM
Re: Trump demands Democrats cave on border wall before DACA fix
 
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Originally Posted by PhelonOne87 (Post 663888)
Give him the wall , limit chain migration and end the fucken lottery visa system it’s that simple guys I know some of us might not agree but these are not bizarre requests , they could have been worst to the point that we knew that no deal would be reached I feel confident this January 2018 is our year .
Agreed 100%! Diversity lottery has run its course. I think it should be halted until immigration reform has some type of arms and legs.

PhelonOne87 12-29-2017 12:17 PM
Re: Trump demands Democrats cave on border wall before DACA fix
 
It’s coming guys start saving your money

JJ Glo 12-29-2017 12:17 PM
Re: Trump demands Democrats cave on border wall before DACA fix
 
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Originally Posted by PhelonOne87 (Post 663888)
Give him the wall , limit chain migration and end the fucken lottery visa system it’s that simple guys I know some of us might not agree but these are not bizarre requests , they could have been worst to the point that we knew that no deal would be reached I feel confident this January 2018 is our year .
Dems would never agree to full border wall funding though. That's the problem. Trump has made it clear, he wants the wall in exchange for a DACA fix.

hopeful_in_nyc 12-29-2017 12:19 PM
Re: Trump demands Democrats cave on border wall before DACA fix
 
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Originally Posted by JJ Glo (Post 663892)
Dems would never agree to full border wall funding though. That's the problem. Trump has made it clear, he wants the wall in exchange for a DACA fix.
Flakes bill breaks out wall funding into chunks. I personally think this is the way to go about it. Also, let’s not forget there already is a partial wall, lol.

PhelonOne87 12-29-2017 12:20 PM
Re: Trump demands Democrats cave on border wall before DACA fix
 
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Originally Posted by JJ Glo (Post 663892)
Dems would never agree to full border wall funding though. That's the problem.
Well Dems are going to have to compromise on some kind of deal having to do with the wall because it’s a give and take situation.

tf2legend 12-29-2017 12:20 PM
Re: Trump demands Democrats cave on border wall before DACA fix
 
He's not going to get all those things. That's how you start out negotiations. You start extreme and meet somewhere in the middle.

I just hope Breitbart doesn't poison the well again. I feel they are mobilizing and will come out full force in the coming weeks. We must be ready!!

jaylove16 12-29-2017 12:20 PM
Re: Trump demands Democrats cave on border wall before DACA fix
 
TRUMP: But the Democrats should come to a bipartisan bill. And we can fix it. We can fix it. We can make a great health care plan. Not Obamacare, which was a bad plan. We can make a great health care plan through bipartisanship. We can do a great infrastructure plan through bipartisanship. And we can do on immigration, and DACA in particular, we can do something that’s terrific through bipartisanship.

SCHMIDT: It sounds like you’re tacking to the center in a way you didn’t before.

TRUMP: No, I’m not being centered. I’m just being practical. No, I don’t think I’m changing. Look, I wouldn’t do a DACA plan without a wall. Because we need it. We see the drugs pouring into the country, we need the wall.

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/12/2...QECAEYAQ%3D%3D

Let’s see how practical he is .

hopeful_in_nyc 12-29-2017 12:23 PM
Re: Trump demands Democrats cave on border wall before DACA fix
 
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Originally Posted by tf2legend (Post 663897)
He's not going to get all those things. That's how you start out negotiations. You start extreme and meet somewhere in the middle.

I just hope Breitbart doesn't poison the well again. I feel they are mobilizing and will come out full force in the coming weeks. We must be ready!!
Breitbart is dead. Look at Alabama and Bannons endorsement of Moore. I’m not even one bit worried about their extreme right ass.

hopeful_in_nyc 12-29-2017 12:25 PM
Re: Trump demands Democrats cave on border wall before DACA fix
 
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Originally Posted by jaylove16 (Post 663898)
TRUMP: But the Democrats should come to a bipartisan bill. And we can fix it. We can fix it. We can make a great health care plan. Not Obamacare, which was a bad plan. We can make a great health care plan through bipartisanship. We can do a great infrastructure plan through bipartisanship. And we can do on immigration, and DACA in particular, we can do something that’s terrific through bipartisanship.

SCHMIDT: It sounds like you’re tacking to the center in a way you didn’t before.

TRUMP: No, I’m not being centered. I’m just being practical. No, I don’t think I’m changing. Look, I wouldn’t do a DACA plan without a wall. Because we need it. We see the drugs pouring into the country, we need the wall.

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/12/2...QECAEYAQ%3D%3D

Let’s see how practical he is .
Flakes bill outlines an infrastructure plan in chunks. This is a great starting point.

BestBefore1984 12-29-2017 12:49 PM
Re: Trump demands Democrats cave on border wall before DACA fix
 
Looks like RACA + border security and Raise is coming

catportal 12-29-2017 12:50 PM
Re: Trump demands Democrats cave on border wall before DACA fix
 
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Originally Posted by 2MoreYears (Post 663874)
Democracts must cave a little. Give him border security ( includes parts for the fence), end visa lotto and limit chain migration.
Or you know, they could shut the gov down for 3 months. Let's finally see who cracks first.

eva02 12-29-2017 02:30 PM
Re: Trump demands Democrats cave on border wall before DACA fix
 
Chain migration is not going to end. Trump will not get his wall. These are non starters for democrats, even to save us.
Please stop posting that the democrats will even agree to any changes in that area. It’s not happening

Beyonder 12-29-2017 02:37 PM
Re: Trump demands Democrats cave on border wall before DACA fix
 
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Originally Posted by eva02 (Post 663922)
Chain migration is not going to end. Trump will not get his wall. These are non starters for democrats, even to save us.
Please stop posting that the democrats will even agree to any changes in that area. It’s not happening
I agree this is a non-starter but eventually all these political posturings ought to bring about some sort of an agreement. I think dems will caved on some of these requests

jaylove16 12-29-2017 02:37 PM
Re: Trump demands Democrats cave on border wall before DACA fix
 
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Originally Posted by eva02 (Post 663922)
Chain migration is not going to end. Trump will not get his wall. These are non starters for democrats, even to save us.
Please stop posting that the democrats will even agree to any changes in that area. It’s not happening
So i guess we are screwed then? I hope you don’t believe Dems will shut down the government and get us a clean dream act?

Imthexman 12-29-2017 02:40 PM
Re: Trump demands Democrats cave on border wall before DACA fix
 
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Originally Posted by eva02 (Post 663922)
Chain migration is not going to end. Trump will not get his wall. These are non starters for democrats, even to save us.
Please stop posting that the democrats will even agree to any changes in that area. It’s not happening
I agree with you, the Dems are not going to give away 6 to 10 million people that would be able to adjust (now or in the future) for 800k dreamers, but hey we have seen crazier things.

tf2legend 12-29-2017 02:45 PM
Re: Trump demands Democrats cave on border wall before DACA fix
 
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Originally Posted by eva02 (Post 663922)
Chain migration is not going to end. Trump will not get his wall. These are non starters for democrats, even to save us.
Please stop posting that the democrats will even agree to any changes in that area. It’s not happening
If they're not willing to do Wall + DREAM Act they can go screw themselves

eva02 12-29-2017 02:48 PM
Re: Trump demands Democrats cave on border wall before DACA fix
 
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Originally Posted by jaylove16 (Post 663924)
So i guess we are screwed then? I hope you don’t believe Dems will shut down the government and get us a clean dream act?
No I believe something will pass but it will be added to the spending bill so trump won’t veto it. He’s the only crazy one insisting on all these things. Then you have the ass kissers graham and McConnell following suit and asking for this shit now. They would compromise though with something more rational, would trump? Who knows... let’s see how the meeting goes

Imthexman 12-29-2017 02:48 PM
Re: Trump demands Democrats cave on border wall before DACA fix
 
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Originally Posted by jaylove16 (Post 663924)
So i guess we are screwed then? I hope you don’t believe Dems will shut down the government and get us a clean dream act?
Scenario 1, Dems give Reps everything they want; wall, enforcement, and chain migration. And dreamers get some sort of daca fix. (Chances of this happening, 25% in my humble opinion)

Scenario 2, Dems walk away because Reps demand are unreasonable according to Dems Chances of this (Chances of this happening, 50% in my humble opinion)

Scenario 3, They both reach an agreement and get what they want. (Chances of this happening, 40% in my humble opinion)

eva02 12-29-2017 02:53 PM
Re: Trump demands Democrats cave on border wall before DACA fix
 
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Originally Posted by Imthexman (Post 663929)
Scenario 1, Dems give Reps everything they want; wall, enforcement, and chain migration. And dreamers get some sort of daca fix. (Chances of this happening, 25% in my humble opinion)

Scenario 2, Dems walk away because Reps demand are unreasonable according to Dems Chances of this (Chances of this happening, 50% in my humble opinion)

Scenario 3, They both reach an agreement and get what they want. (Chances of this happening, 40% in my humble opinion)
If democrats started caving in to their demands guess what would happen? More irrational demands! They would really want to see chain migration end all together. The reason being, they are scared white people are going to bed up a minority in the country. Democrats would never even entertain their foolish requests.

Imthexman 12-29-2017 03:00 PM
Re: Trump demands Democrats cave on border wall before DACA fix
 
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Originally Posted by eva02 (Post 663931)
If democrats started caving in to their demands guess what would happen? More irrational demands! They would really want to see chain migration end all together. The reason being, they are scared white people are going to bed up a minority in the country. Democrats would never even entertain their foolish requests.
Agree.

The problem is that some of these Dems don't even understand immigration issues, except for Durbin, Gutierrez and a hand full of others, they really don't understand how complex immigration is and they might cave to the crazy Rep demands just to get rid of the problem. I wish we had guys like Ted Kennedy as negotiators.

Afridi786 12-29-2017 03:01 PM
Re: Trump demands Democrats cave on border wall before DACA fix
 
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Originally Posted by Imthexman (Post 663929)
Scenario 1, Dems give Reps everything they want; wall, enforcement, and chain migration. And dreamers get some sort of daca fix. (Chances of this happening, 25% in my humble opinion)

Scenario 2, Dems walk away because Reps demand are unreasonable according to Dems Chances of this (Chances of this happening, 50% in my humble opinion)

Scenario 3, They both reach an agreement and get what they want. (Chances of this happening, 40% in my humble opinion)
That's 115%. I think it'll be Scenario 2 until March then it'll be Scenario 1. Republicans know how to play the game.

DACAuser 12-29-2017 03:46 PM
Re: Trump demands Democrats cave on border wall before DACA fix
 
let not forget guy, people that benefit from chain migration deserve green card more than us. However,
we only live once, I would say fuck them.

Copper 12-29-2017 03:52 PM
Re: Trump demands Democrats cave on border wall before DACA fix
 
Trump is being unrealistic and is obvious he is not serious about a DACA fix. Even some moderate Republicans won’t vote to end chain immigration. If the Democrats don’t do nothing come January, we are screwed.

libertarian1776 12-29-2017 03:56 PM
Re: Trump demands Democrats cave on border wall before DACA fix
 
wtf? lol

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Originally Posted by DACAuser (Post 663936)
let not forget guy, people that benefit from chain migration deserve green card more than us. However,
we only live once, I would say fuck them.

Sorrybrah 12-29-2017 04:00 PM
Re: Trump demands Democrats cave on border wall before DACA fix
 
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Originally Posted by DACAuser (Post 663936)
let not forget guy, people that benefit from chain migration deserve green card more than us. However,
we only live once, I would say fuck them.
lol #thread

fl_dreamer 12-29-2017 04:02 PM
Re: Trump demands Democrats cave on border wall before DACA fix
 
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Originally Posted by DACAuser (Post 663936)
let not forget guy, people that benefit from chain migration deserve green card more than us. However,
we only live once, I would say fuck them.
I beg to differ. Who is to say who deserves more?

I know people who came to the US with a GC due to family sponsorship who barely speak English and not “American” is any shape or form.

fl_dreamer 12-29-2017 04:04 PM
Re: Trump demands Democrats cave on border wall before DACA fix
 
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Originally Posted by tf2legend (Post 663926)
If they're not willing to do Wall + DREAM Act they can go screw themselves
Can’t believe the ignorant messages on here. Don’t forget that we have the most to loose if shit doesn’t work out between dems and Republicans.

MalditoDuende 12-29-2017 04:40 PM
Re: Trump demands Democrats cave on border wall before DACA fix
 
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Originally Posted by Cybore (Post 663881)
This is the crap we have to deal with due to Democrats kicking the can down the road.
Screw you prick..

DreamerSD23 12-29-2017 05:29 PM
Re: Trump demands Democrats cave on border wall before DACA fix
 
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Originally Posted by DACAuser (Post 663936)
let not forget guy, people that benefit from chain migration deserve green card more than us. However,
we only live once, I would say fuck them.
Lololol.

I hate myself for saying it, but truer words have have never been said.


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