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Busybee 01-04-2018 02:10 PM

Trump Insists on Wall in Exchange for a DACA Fix
 
WASHINGTON – President Trump said Thursday he's open to a deal to protect some undocumented immigrants from deportation – but only if enough Democrats back his border wall with Mexico and other proposals on immigration.

"If we have support from the Democrats I think DACA is going to be terrific," Trump said, referring to the Obama-era Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals program that shielded hundreds of thousands of young people brought into the country illegally as children from deportation.

But, Trump told reporters during a meeting with Republican senators, "any legislation on DACA must secure the border with a wall ... We’d love to take care of DACA, but we’re only going to do it on these conditions."

Trump suspended the DACA program in September, giving Congress six months to come up with a legislative solution before ordering deportations to begin.

Democrats and some Republicans have strongly opposed ending DACA, which they said will lead to deportations of productive young people who came into the country through no fault of their own.

Yet Trump's demands for a wall along the U.S.-Mexico border and an end to the longstanding practice of "chain migration" – the ability of U.S. citizens to sponsor their extended family for visas – have been sticking points to finding an agreement.

Democrats say Trump's border wall is impractical and will do nothing to stop illegal immigration – and that other immigration programs the president wants to scrap are already tightly scrutinized to weed out criminals and terrorism suspects.

Still, Trump appeared optimistic on Thursday, saying, "We are, believe it or not, also working with Democrats."

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...ns/1003768001/

IbelieveIcanFly 01-04-2018 02:13 PM

Re: Trump Insists on Wall in Exchange for a DACA Fix
 
I'm okay with that. But will be tough for Dems to swallow. Not sure if he's bluffing tho...you know Trump

JJ Glo 01-04-2018 02:24 PM

Re: Trump Insists on Wall in Exchange for a DACA Fix
 
His stance has not and will not change. Like I said before, this is Trump's ONLY opportunity at getting his wall built. If he doesn't get the funding in exchange for dreamer relief, he isn't getting it any other time. Will Dems give him the wall?

Alfredo93 01-04-2018 02:28 PM

Re: Trump Insists on Wall in Exchange for a DACA Fix
 
Give him the god damn fucking wall.

hopeful_in_nyc 01-04-2018 02:30 PM

Re: Trump Insists on Wall in Exchange for a DACA Fix
 
Flakes bill FTW

2MoreYears 01-04-2018 02:34 PM

Re: Trump Insists on Wall in Exchange for a DACA Fix
 
Fuck him.

Gnome 01-04-2018 02:40 PM

Re: Trump Insists on Wall in Exchange for a DACA Fix
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Alfredo93 (Post 665167)
Give him the god damn fucking wall.

+1. Give him the wall.

beingoflight 01-04-2018 02:52 PM

Re: Trump Insists on Wall in Exchange for a DACA Fix
 
I will gladly pay a wall fine if i had to, hopefully whatever compromise they do helps on stopping this situation from happening ever again, those that disagree with me are free to go back to where they came from, sorry.

DamLeon123 01-04-2018 02:53 PM

Re: Trump Insists on Wall in Exchange for a DACA Fix
 
Build that fucking wall, I wanna see their faces when they realize that it barely made a dent on illegal immigrantion. Billions of US taxpayer money to stop maybe 10 people a year, if any at all!

ayran123 01-04-2018 02:55 PM

Re: Trump Insists on Wall in Exchange for a DACA Fix
 
Dems lost their full leverage after december. Schumer is probably crying now since he lost the game of cards with trump. The way i see it is, dems will not shutdown the govt. Its been proven and trump sees this. So their options given its midterm election time are:
Option 1: Do w.e. trump says and pass a dreamer relief with the wall, end chain migration, everify, etc. Then watch trump sign it and see him happily saying he accomplished something that both bush and obama could do.
Option 2: Do nothing and pass another CR if its possible or vote for republicans proposed spending bill, then watch trump campaign saying 'democrats refused to resolve immigration since they want ppl pouring in, they dont want to fix immigration, theyre all talk, they screwed daca deal, etc'

Either way democrats have failed themselves by going with schumer's leftist bipartisanship approach which got them nothing done in the white house. To nagivate this tough political environment, democrats should have been firm on their stance. When they say theyll shut it down, shut it down and let votes, elections, etc speak for themselves. Chasing a potential future primary election, kicking the can down the road and constantly just taking once in a while doesnt demonstrate the democrats are doing any work. It doesnt take months after months to negotiate things. Democrats know clearly what trump and repubs want, theres no point in delaying it to see if repubs change on their stance.

K-Man 01-04-2018 03:06 PM

Re: Trump Insists on Wall in Exchange for a DACA Fix
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Alfredo93 (Post 665167)
Give him the god damn fucking wall.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gnome (Post 665173)
+1. Give him the wall.

+2. When it comes to the wall, it's time to toss practical sense and idiologies aside. If he wants something that badly, it better be used as our leverage and not a goddamn 'nonstarter'.

2Face 01-04-2018 03:07 PM

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Democrats will have to pay the price of kicking this immigration can down the road for years and years. They have to budge this time and partially fund the wall. In fact the wall already has been partially funded. If nothing gets done this month, progressives will burn Dems. Dems have more to lose.

4romBonao 01-04-2018 04:00 PM

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I am all for this wall passing. I am all for chain migration to end. Be honest with yourselves. We have to fix the immigration system. There is mad people just coming in that don't need to be here. Why does your cousin, grandma, aunt and uncle all have to come here? For what? And we need a wall after they fix our situation or else there won't ever be a cap to how many illegals are here.

Our situation is not our fault because we were real young but cmon this can't be going on forever. We need to fix the immigration system.

jaylove16 01-04-2018 04:01 PM

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BREAKING: smoke signals coming from Capitol Hill right now that #DACA #Dreamers issue may be worked out next week to pass #Budget2018 ? Turn on @ClamanCountdown at top of the hr Senators @JohnCornyn @ChuckSchumer BOTH giving hints

ayran123 01-04-2018 04:19 PM

Re: Trump Insists on Wall in Exchange for a DACA Fix
 
Ohhhh yesssss!


Quote:

Originally Posted by jaylove16 (Post 665208)
Liz Claman
Liz Claman
@LizClaman
BREAKING: smoke signals coming from Capitol Hill right now that #DACA #Dreamers issue may be worked out next week to pass #Budget2018 ? Turn on @ClamanCountdown at top of the hr Senators @JohnCornyn @ChuckSchumer BOTH giving hints


Foal Eagle 01-04-2018 04:28 PM

Re: Trump Insists on Wall in Exchange for a DACA Fix
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by 4romBonao (Post 665207)
I am all for chain migration to end. Be honest with yourselves. We have to fix the immigration system. There is mad people just coming in that don't need to be here. Why does your cousin, grandma, aunt and uncle all have to come here? For what? And we need a wall after they fix our situation or else there won't ever be a cap to how many illegals are here.

Our situation is not our fault because we were real young but cmon this can't be going on forever. We need to fix the immigration system.

The problem is that we dont now the details yet. How many dreamers will be covered? For dreamers that were too young or too old for the first round of DACA, this would permanently close all opportunities to legalize themselves in the future if they are not protected.

NotADreamerPerSe 01-04-2018 04:33 PM

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They can end diversity lottery, but chain migration should be addressed during CIR.

2MoreYears 01-04-2018 04:35 PM

Re: Trump Insists on Wall in Exchange for a DACA Fix
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by NotADreamerPerSe (Post 665219)
They can end diversity lottery, but chain migration should be addressed during CIR.

Do you have undocumented parents or siblings?

NotADreamerPerSe 01-04-2018 05:12 PM

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No. my parents are citizens and my sister is a permanent resident. I'm the one with the approved green card (21+ sons and daughters category), but haven't been able to continue my case since I need my passport to apply for the unlawful presence waiver and it's been two years and haven't gotten it back from the consulate. So if they eliminate it who knows how that's going to affect me personally.

However my SO is a DACA recipient, hence why I'm so invested in this.

I qualify for the Dream Act, but not the others. Like my username kinda points out I'm not a Dreamer per se.

Swim19 01-04-2018 05:25 PM

Re: Trump Insists on Wall in Exchange for a DACA Fix
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by 4romBonao (Post 665207)
I am all for this wall passing. I am all for chain migration to end. Be honest with yourselves. We have to fix the immigration system. There is mad people just coming in that don't need to be here. Why does your cousin, grandma, aunt and uncle all have to come here? For what? And we need a wall after they fix our situation or else there won't ever be a cap to how many illegals are here.

Our situation is not our fault because we were real young but cmon this can't be going on forever. We need to fix the immigration system.

Chain Migration - aka family migration - if anything is broken because of the backlog and 'aging out' because of the backlog (yes I'm still bitter that I aged-out. I was 15 when my parents filed the petition and 27 when they finally received their green card). In order to bring your cousin in you would need to first sponsor your parent as a citizen (so there's that wait) and then they'd need to sponsor a sibling (takes +10 years) and then their children (your cousins) have to hope they don't age-out in the mean time (or that's an additional +6 years). People are not pouring into the country via this system. It's impossible with the wait.

fl_dreamer 01-04-2018 05:29 PM

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Changes to chain migration would still allow spouses and children and so its not an end to ALL chain migration.

NotADreamerPerSe 01-04-2018 05:30 PM

Re: Trump Insists on Wall in Exchange for a DACA Fix
 
I hope so, but with this administration you never know.

Foal Eagle 01-04-2018 05:52 PM

Re: Trump Insists on Wall in Exchange for a DACA Fix
 
double post

Foal Eagle 01-04-2018 05:55 PM

Re: Trump Insists on Wall in Exchange for a DACA Fix
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by fl_dreamer (Post 665245)
Changes to chain migration would still allow spouses and children and so its not an end to ALL chain migration.

not true, only minor children would be able to be sponsored, but lots of people on this board are purposely trying to ignore this


Quote:

Originally Posted by Foal Eagle (Post 665216)
The problem is that we dont now the details yet. How many dreamers will be covered? For dreamers that were too young or too old for the first round of DACA, this would permanently close all opportunities to legalize themselves in the future if they are not protected.


JJ Glo 01-04-2018 05:59 PM

Re: Trump Insists on Wall in Exchange for a DACA Fix
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Foal Eagle (Post 665263)
not true, only minor children would be able to be sponsored, but lots of people on this board are purposely trying to ignore this

Isn't it 21 or younger?

NotADreamerPerSe 01-04-2018 06:00 PM

Re: Trump Insists on Wall in Exchange for a DACA Fix
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Foal Eagle (Post 665263)
not true, only minor children would be able to be sponsored, but lots of people on this board are purposely trying to ignore this

The only thing would be, would this apply to future applications only? What about applications that have already been approved and are just sitting there for one reason or another, what about pending ones?

Foal Eagle 01-04-2018 06:02 PM

Re: Trump Insists on Wall in Exchange for a DACA Fix
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by NotADreamerPerSe (Post 665268)
The only thing would be, would this apply to future applications only? What about applications that have already been approved and are just sitting there for one reason or another, what about pending ones?

you said it best yourself

Quote:

Originally Posted by NotADreamerPerSe (Post 665248)
with this administration you never know.


Foal Eagle 01-04-2018 06:05 PM

Re: Trump Insists on Wall in Exchange for a DACA Fix
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by JJ Glo (Post 665266)
Isn't it 21 or younger?

there's is a category for adult children right now, but that is what the Trump administration wants to eliminate, which would screw any dreamers not covered with a weak compromise bill if Democrats cave and also they want to change the eligible age from 21 and younger to younger then 18

fl_dreamer 01-04-2018 06:05 PM

Re: Trump Insists on Wall in Exchange for a DACA Fix
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Foal Eagle (Post 665263)
not true, only minor children would be able to be sponsored, but lots of people on this board are purposely trying to ignore this

Its already capped at 21.

Some people really think they can be beggars and choosers!


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