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jaylove16 01-10-2018 12:39 PM

GOP senator: DACA court ruling 'wildly wrong'
 
Quote:

Sen. John Cornyn (R-Texas) on Wednesday dismissed a court ruling that blocks the Trump administration from ending a key Obama-era immigration program, saying it won't impact the negotiations on Capitol Hill.

"Not at all. ...We're reading the court's opinion, but it strikes me as wildly wrong. If President Obama can create the deferred action program, then certainly President Trump can un-create it, or end it. It just makes sense,"
Cornyn told reporters when asked about the impact of the decision that, at least temporarily, keeps the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) program in place.

He added that "there wouldn't be any symmetry at all to the idea that one president could create it and another president couldn't end it."
http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/3...mpression=true

Afridi786 01-10-2018 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by jaylove16 (Post 667708)
saying it won't impact the negotiations on Capitol Hill.

Most important part of the article.

chopstix 01-10-2018 01:00 PM

Re: GOP senator: DACA court ruling 'wildly wrong'
 
Trump can end it of course but his fingers made mistake on Twitter so everyone knows he ended it to use it as a bargaining chip.

rum123456 01-10-2018 01:33 PM

Re: GOP senator: DACA court ruling 'wildly wrong'
 
This is all political, nothing will pass next week as GOP will put poison bills out there anything that excludes GC......democrats also don't want to shutdown the government, so this allows daca to be running while case to the supreme court can take about 1/2 years, I think the outcome from this judge decision is what congress wanted.

BestBefore1984 01-10-2018 01:40 PM

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Are you jumping on the quitter bandwagon too?

I wonder if any of you are capable of being responsible full functioning adults. How can you expect to be a leader to your kids and spouse if ya'll catasrophize without waiting for something of substance. Your speculation on something that may not even happen creates an false illusion of what you think already is. Man. If you are a female, I give you more leverage to freak out; however, if you are a man. Smh.

CUSenior 01-10-2018 01:46 PM

Re: GOP senator: DACA court ruling 'wildly wrong'
 
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Originally Posted by BestBefore1984 (Post 667768)
Are you jumping on the quitter bandwagon too?

I wonder if any of you are capable of being responsible full functioning adults. How can you expect to be a leader to your kids and spouse if ya'll catasrophize without waiting for something of substance. Your speculation on something that may not even happen creates an false illusion of what you think already is. Man. If you are a female, I give you more leverage to freak out; however, if you are a man. Smh.


Does putting sexist comments out there really get you and other Dreamers off or something?

Demise 01-10-2018 01:49 PM

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https://memegenerator.net/img/instan...its-afraid.jpg

Probably one of better pictures of Senator Cornyn.

BestBefore1984 01-10-2018 02:12 PM

Re: GOP senator: DACA court ruling 'wildly wrong'
 
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Originally Posted by CUSenior (Post 667774)
Does putting sexist comments out there really get you and other Dreamers off or something?


I respect your decision to disagree. Just to satisfy my curiousity, how was that sexist? You do know that men and women are biologically different, right? One of these is that women tend to be more emotional. Nothing sexist about that.

Sexist is when I went to a bar in San Francisco and was told by the bouncer that I have to pay a $20 cover while my girlfriend gets in for free. Mind you, this is in one of the most liberal cities, that values so called gender “equality”

Back on topic. We will be good.

CUSenior 01-10-2018 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by BestBefore1984 (Post 667800)
I respect your decision to disagree. Just to satisfy my curiousity, how was that sexist? You do know that men and women are biologically different, right? One of these is that women tend to be more emotional. Nothing sexist about that.

Sexist is when I went to a bar in San Francisco and was told by the bouncer that I have to pay a $20 cover while my girlfriend gets in for free. Mind you, this is in one of the most liberal cities, that values so called gender “equality”

Back on topic. We will be good.

I think the situation you mention is sexist as well. But arguing that men need to be creatures who are to show no emotion and women are just disposed to show emoton is inherently sexist as well. It's sexist because it perpetuates dangerous and incorrect stereotypes. Hillary Clinton was far from the perfect candidate but the idea of women being controlled by their emotions was utilized discredit her unfairly. Voters actually said that they didn't see a woman being able to become president because of this reasons even though there is little evidence to show that these stereotypes are true.

hopeful_in_nyc 01-10-2018 02:33 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by CUSenior (Post 667806)
I think the situation you mention is sexist as well. But arguing that men need to be creatures who are to show no emotion and women are just disposed to show emoton is inherently sexist as well. It's sexist because it perpetuates dangerous and incorrect stereotypes. Hillary Clinton was far from the perfect candidate but the idea of women being controlled by their emotions was utilized discredit her unfairly. Voters actually said that they didn't see a woman being able to become president because of this reasons even though there is little evidence to show that these stereotypes are true.

Okay guys, #timesup

CUSenior 01-10-2018 02:38 PM

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Even if they are biologically different, you would need a sound scientific explanation to prove that claim that they are more emotional.

You mention a double standard. The bouncer let your girlfriend in for free while asking for $20. That's sexism.

In a similar way, you think women who show emotion should be given leeway while men showing emotion should not be treated with extra leniency. That is another sexist double standard.


I'm done now. I just call problematic things out because I have higher expectations of my fellow Dreamers than I have for the general population lol.

BestBefore1984 01-10-2018 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by CUSenior (Post 667812)
Even if they are biologically different, you would need a sound scientific explanation to prove that claim that they are more emotional.

You mention a double standard. The bouncer let your girlfriend in for free while asking for $20. That's sexism.

In a similar way, you think women who show emotion should be given leeway while men showing emotion should not be treated with extra leniency. That is another sexist double standard.


I'm done now. I just call problematic things out because I have higher expectations of my fellow Dreamers than I have for the general population lol.


I can find something scientific for you. I’m on my lunch break so I can’t do my research. But please, hold me accountable.

I know you said you were gay in a previous post. This doesn't exclude sexual orientation. You can think from experience and you will see this also holds true. Now, I don’t know if you are male or female, but that is irrelevant. Even in same sex relationships, there is going to be one partner that displays more feminine traits and the other more masculine. A healthy functioning relationship will demonstrate that.

In my relationship, my girlfriend is the one with the feminine traits. She worries a lot, vents about her job - co workers, and has emotional moments. I don’t give her unsolicited advice, I just listen and let her express herself. From an outsiders view, one would think she’s overreacting and you know what? What she’s worried about just might be something that someone with a stoic way of thinking would easily brush off. Still, I don’t judge her for it. I can tell she feels better after she lets out all her emotional baggage and we move on to a more fun topic.

Now, can you imagine if I acted the same? If I thought it was okay as someone with more masculine traits, to unleash my emotional baggage - to engage in an “equal” display of emotions: "Hi sweetheart, my day was so stressful today. Little Jimmy and little Suzy were so rude. I felt like they were excluding me in today's meeting. This isn't the first time they made me feel this way. I am really upset. I don't have to feel this way, I'm going to talk to the supervisor and tell him that I don't feel included in the team...."

My gf may show genuine sympathy for me; however, it won't feel right to her. She may want to tell me to stop being such a little b***h and she would be right. I have to be her rock when the storm plows through.

Masculinity and femininity complement each other. Don't let the SJW and the fire-breathing feminist tell you that men and women are equal. You can believe it if you want, but don't be surprised when a relationship doesn't work out.


I do want to thank you; however, for sharing your thoughts.

catportal 01-10-2018 03:43 PM

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Why are you guys having such a dumb discussion? Emotional expression, hormones, strength etc are all on a spectrum. You can make some generalizations on average, but there will always be instances where someone is an outlier. The real question is why do you even care if a 'man' is 'emotional'? What difference does it make to you? Either make a proper argument based on facts or gtfo.

Afridi786 01-10-2018 03:44 PM

Re: GOP senator: DACA court ruling 'wildly wrong'
 
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Originally Posted by catportal (Post 667837)
Why are you guys having such a dumb discussion? Emotional expression, hormones, strength etc are all on a spectrum. You can make some generalizations on average, but there will always be instances where someone is an outlier. The real question is why do you even care if a 'man' is 'emotional'? What difference does it make to you? Either make a proper argument based on facts or gtfo.

Something something...being an alpha. I'd rather not read about this stuff, that's not the point of this thread or forum.

BestBefore1984 01-10-2018 03:51 PM

Re: GOP senator: DACA court ruling 'wildly wrong'
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by catportal (Post 667837)
Why are you guys having such a dumb discussion? Emotional expression, hormones, strength etc are all on a spectrum. You can make some generalizations on average, but there will always be instances where someone is an outlier. The real question is why do you even care if a 'man' is 'emotional'? What difference does it make to you? Either make a proper argument based on facts or gtfo.

Thank you for taking the time to provide us with your insight. We appreciate your interest in this discussion.

CUSenior 01-10-2018 03:53 PM

Re: GOP senator: DACA court ruling 'wildly wrong'
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by BestBefore1984 (Post 667835)
I can find something scientific for you. I’m on my lunch break so I can’t do my research. But please, hold me accountable.

I know you said you were gay in a previous post. This doesn't exclude sexual orientation. You can think from experience and you will see this also holds true. Now, I don’t know if you are male or female, but that is irrelevant. Even in same sex relationships, there is going to be one partner that displays more feminine traits and the other more masculine. A healthy functioning relationship will demonstrate that.

In my relationship, my girlfriend is the one with the feminine traits. She worries a lot, vents about her job - co workers, and has emotional moments. I don’t give her unsolicited advice, I just listen and let her express herself. From an outsiders view, one would think she’s overreacting and you know what? What she’s worried about just might be something that someone with a stoic way of thinking would easily brush off. Still, I don’t judge her for it. I can tell she feels better after she lets out all her emotional baggage and we move on to a more fun topic.

Now, can you imagine if I acted the same? If I thought it was okay as someone with more masculine traits, to unleash my emotional baggage - to engage in an “equal” display of emotions: "Hi sweetheart, my day was so stressful today. Little Jimmy and little Suzy were so rude. I felt like they were excluding me in today's meeting. This isn't the first time they made me feel this way. I am really upset. I don't have to feel this way, I'm going to talk to the supervisor and tell him that I don't feel included in the team...."

My gf may show genuine sympathy for me; however, it won't feel right to her. She may want to tell me to stop being such a little b***h and she would be right. I have to be her rock when the storm plows through.

Masculinity and femininity complement each other. Don't let the SJW and the fire-breathing feminist tell you that men and women are equal. You can believe it if you want, but don't be surprised when a relationship doesn't work out.


I do want to thank you; however, for sharing your thoughts.

I said I was done and I am truly done. I disagree with you and I'm sure you know that.

On the issue at hand, last night I was truly concerned that this would change negotiations completely. But this morning has changed my view. I think it would be seriously hypocritical if the Republicans took this seriously after they explicitly said DACA was unconstitutional. I truly expect that they will still get this done this month especially since they have all come to the conclusion that a permanent fix is necessary instead of a temporary one (even Goodlatte's apartheid bill provided some sort of permanence). Does anyone have any updates on whether the text of his bill was released yet?

hopeful_in_nyc 01-10-2018 03:59 PM

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Can we please close this thread?

always_learner11 01-10-2018 03:59 PM

Re: GOP senator: DACA court ruling 'wildly wrong'
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by CUSenior (Post 667845)
I said I was done and I am truly done. I disagree with you and I'm sure you know that.

On the issue at hand, last night I was truly concerned that this would change negotiations completely. But this morning has changed my view. I think it would be seriously hypocritical if the Republicans took this seriously after they explicitly said DACA was unconstitutional. I truly expect that they will still get this done this month especially since they have all come to the conclusion that a permanent fix is necessary instead of a temporary one (even Goodlatte's apartheid bill provided some sort of permanence). Does anyone have any updates on whether the text of his bill was released yet?

This is the bill, no?

Quote:

Hse Judiciary cmte chair Goodlatte along w/Homeland Security Cmte chair McCaul & Reps Labrador & McSally to roll out immigration bill at 3:30 pm et today
https://twitter.com/ChadPergram/stat...63724991221760

Edit: here's the thread http://dreamact.info/forum/showthread.php?t=80075

vft1008 01-10-2018 04:44 PM

Re: GOP senator: DACA court ruling 'wildly wrong'
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by BestBefore1984 (Post 667768)
Man. If you are a female, I give you more leverage to freak out; however, if you are a man. Smh.

Oh, hello there, Mr. Broadbrush.

CUSenior 01-10-2018 04:46 PM

Re: GOP senator: DACA court ruling 'wildly wrong'
 
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Originally Posted by always_learner11 (Post 667849)

Yep. That's the one I was referring to.


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