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jaylove16 01-10-2018 09:47 PM

Left fears Democrats will give too much on immigration
 
Senate Democratic negotiators are getting pushback from pro-immigrant activists and other base constituencies who worry they are poised to give too much away in a deal protecting “Dreamers.”

Democrats have signaled they are willing to consider proposals to rein in family-based migration and the diversity visa lottery to reach an agreement with President Trump and the GOP.

But with Trump and other Republicans already indicating their desire to help those immigrants enrolled in the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) program, some immigration activists fear the Democrats are ceding too much ground.


The idea of the diversity lottery and family-based immigration being changed, that’s just not a serious offer. You’re asking for the moon and giving the smallest thing in return,” said Brent Wilkes, the CEO of the League of United Latin American Citizens.

http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/3...on-immigration

Lol , they are back at it again.

jaylove16 01-10-2018 09:49 PM

Re: Left fears Democrats will give too much on immigration
 
Frank Sharry, executive director of America’s Voice, said any deal to protect Dreamers should not become a vehicle for enacting those kinds of proposals.

“We want the DREAM Act to pass. It’s clear that Republicans are trying to use Dreamers as bargaining chips to get as much of their agenda added to it, and it’s unfortunate,” he said, referring to a bipartisan bill that would create a path to citizenship for certain immigrants brought to the country as children.

Sharry said if Republicans insist on expanding the scope of the deal beyond the DREAM Act, activists would expect Democrats to win additional concessions.

“If there is an expansion of the Republican agenda, there will have to be an expansion of the Democratic agenda. We’ll be evaluating whether that balance is equitable and whether there’s parity,” he said.

Durbin on Wednesday said he is aware of the concerns of pro-immigrant advocates.

By giving away the store on a DACA package, Gutiérrez continued, Democratic leaders would have no cards to play if Congress ever returns to the issue in the form of a more comprehensive immigration reform package.

“If you give it up now, when you go back to negotiate comprehensive [reform] they’re going to say, ‘That’s off the table. You gave it up for the Dreamers,’ ” Gutiérrez said. “You cannot give up something today and expect it tomorrow.”

Rep. Adriano Espaillat (D-N.Y.) also suggested he’d oppose a DACA package that included the new restrictions on family migration and diversity visas.

“Let’s not get the DREAM Act saddled with toxic stuff,” he said.


http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/3...on-immigration

Michcio07 01-10-2018 09:52 PM

Re: Left fears Democrats will give too much on immigration
 
Idiots

Whereisthelight 01-10-2018 09:55 PM

Re: Left fears Democrats will give too much on immigration
 
They need to come to their senses. There is no chance for clean DREAM Act or even a DACA "fix".

jaylove16 01-10-2018 09:57 PM

Re: Left fears Democrats will give too much on immigration
 
Durbin needs our support now more than ever .

Copper 01-10-2018 10:00 PM

Re: Left fears Democrats will give too much on immigration
 
Unless their going to pay our bills and take care of our future they need to back the F up!! We're not negotiating under their terms!

CUSenior 01-10-2018 10:00 PM

Re: Left fears Democrats will give too much on immigration
 
I guess it's just a matter of shutting down both the conservative and liberal bases. All hope is pinned on the Flake, Durbin and Graham compromise.

skysla 01-10-2018 10:09 PM

Re: Left fears Democrats will give too much on immigration
 
As much as I want our issue to be taken care of, I do understand their position on this issue.
I think it is selfish of us to demand Democrats "give everything" to save us when it comes to immigration. I do want my parents' situation to be taken care of as well... although I know they would not care as long as mine is taken care of.

Anyway, I just hope something great happens to us... at least first...

TimeRunningOut18 01-10-2018 10:13 PM

Re: Left fears Democrats will give too much on immigration
 
We shouldn't throw our parents/familes under the bus just so we can get some kinda relief!

Swim19 01-10-2018 10:13 PM

Re: Left fears Democrats will give too much on immigration
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by skysla (Post 668155)
As much as I want our issue to be taken care of, I do understand their position on this issue.
I think it is selfish of us to demand Democrats "give everything" to save us when it comes to immigration. I do want my parents' situation to be taken care of as well... although I know they would not care as long as mine is taken care of.

Anyway, I just hope something great happens to us... at least first...

Limiting family migration to everyone would be conceding too much. That needs to be dealt with on CIR. Limit it only to those covered by the relief and I think the left would grudgingly agree to that.

Afridi786 01-10-2018 10:14 PM

Re: Left fears Democrats will give too much on immigration
 
Just do it you retards

CUSenior 01-10-2018 10:16 PM

Re: Left fears Democrats will give too much on immigration
 
The Progressives should give the Republicans a taste of their own medicine and demand the HOPE Act and a path to citizenship for the 11 million in exchange for their right wing agenda.

RedBlueGreen 01-10-2018 10:19 PM

Re: Left fears Democrats will give too much on immigration
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by skysla (Post 668155)
As much as I want our issue to be taken care of, I do understand their position on this issue.
I think it is selfish of us to demand Democrats "give everything" to save us when it comes to immigration. I do want my parents' situation to be taken care of as well... although I know they would not care as long as mine is taken care of.

Anyway, I just hope something great happens to us... at least first...

I can guarantee that there will be no comprehensive immigration reform under Trump. I’m almost 30 years old and I’ve seen how hard it’s been to get to just this point of discussion. It’s literally a miracle that we dreamers are so close. If we don’t get legalized; no one will. There’s almost a 0% chance that your parents will ever get legalized while Republicans are in charge of any branch. Don’t fall for the Republican talking point about doing CIR, you will not like the result. Compassion to them is giving us time to self deport.

Cybore 01-10-2018 10:22 PM

Re: Left fears Democrats will give too much on immigration
 
Yea, CIR will probably won't happen for another decade or so. The only remote chair of CIR would be another scenario with a Democrat supermajority controlling all branches of government.

versailles 01-10-2018 10:23 PM

Re: Left fears Democrats will give too much on immigration
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jaylove16 (Post 668147)
Frank Sharry, executive director of America’s Voice, said any deal to protect Dreamers should not become a vehicle for enacting those kinds of proposals.

“We want the DREAM Act to pass. It’s clear that Republicans are trying to use Dreamers as bargaining chips to get as much of their agenda added to it, and it’s unfortunate,” he said, referring to a bipartisan bill that would create a path to citizenship for certain immigrants brought to the country as children.

Sharry said if Republicans insist on expanding the scope of the deal beyond the DREAM Act, activists would expect Democrats to win additional concessions.

“If there is an expansion of the Republican agenda, there will have to be an expansion of the Democratic agenda. We’ll be evaluating whether that balance is equitable and whether there’s parity,” he said.

Durbin on Wednesday said he is aware of the concerns of pro-immigrant advocates.

By giving away the store on a DACA package, Gutiérrez continued, Democratic leaders would have no cards to play if Congress ever returns to the issue in the form of a more comprehensive immigration reform package.

“If you give it up now, when you go back to negotiate comprehensive [reform] they’re going to say, ‘That’s off the table. You gave it up for the Dreamers,’ ” Gutiérrez said. “You cannot give up something today and expect it tomorrow.”

Rep. Adriano Espaillat (D-N.Y.) also suggested he’d oppose a DACA package that included the new restrictions on family migration and diversity visas.

“Let’s not get the DREAM Act saddled with toxic stuff,” he said.


http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/3...on-immigration

is this nigga even latin and he's saying this is a "small thing"
who's bitch is this?

Afridi786 01-10-2018 10:24 PM

Re: Left fears Democrats will give too much on immigration
 
Dem's are getting greedy even though they haven't solved DACA issue yet. So frustrating.

Immigrant 01-10-2018 10:27 PM

Re: Left fears Democrats will give too much on immigration
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Michcio07 (Post 668149)
Idiots

They are correct. All non-criminal immigrants must be protected, not just DACAers.

DACAers have no special privilege over older folks.

skysla 01-10-2018 10:31 PM

Re: Left fears Democrats will give too much on immigration
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by RedBlueGreen (Post 668162)
I can guarantee that there will be no comprehensive immigration reform under Trump. I’m almost 30 years old and I’ve seen how hard it’s been to get to just this point of discussion. It’s literally a miracle that we dreamers are so close. If we don’t get legalized; no one will. There’s almost a 0% chance that your parents will ever get legalized while Republicans are in charge of any branch. Don’t fall for the Republican talking point about doing CIR, you will not like the result. Compassion to them is giving us time to self deport.

Haha.... I won't fall for it. I am just saying that Democrats are giving a lot of things to Republicans for the DACA situation, which are meant for future comprehensive immigration reform bills. Of course, it is foolish to believe these Republicans in Congress would do anything for our families in good faith.

But, it is a sad reality. Our future depends on the leverage that the Democrats have right now and the mercy of Trump and a handful of Republican leaders at this point. Unless the Democrats gain supermajorities and a Democratic president again, I think it is almost impossible to pass a reasonable CIR. Even last time, the economy and health care debate consumed all of the Democratic supermajorities' energy.

Trump's undoing of the DACA, ironically, could be our salvation.

Afridi786 01-10-2018 10:32 PM

Re: Left fears Democrats will give too much on immigration
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Immigrant (Post 668168)
They are correct. All non-criminal immigrants must be protected, not just DACAers.

DACAers have no special privilege over older folks.

Stfu...you know that's not gonna happen right now.

RedBlueGreen 01-10-2018 10:33 PM

Re: Left fears Democrats will give too much on immigration
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Immigrant (Post 668168)
They are correct. All non-criminal immigrants must be protected, not just DACAers.

DACAers have no special privilege over older folks.

What an asinine comment. You’re right, it’s my fault I’m in this situation. I should have stopped my parents from bringing me here when I was 3 years old. I should have returned to a country that I dont even remember and whose language I don’t even speak, when I turned 18.

Immigrant 01-10-2018 10:40 PM

Re: Left fears Democrats will give too much on immigration
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Afridi786 (Post 668173)
Stfu...you know that's not gonna happen right now.

There should be an immigration reform where all immigrants are protected from deportation, not just dreamers.

If the deal calls from dreamers at the expense of the 90% of the undocumented immigrant community, then such deal should be boycotted by the undocumented immigrant community.

jaylove16 01-10-2018 10:45 PM

Re: Left fears Democrats will give too much on immigration
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Immigrant (Post 668177)
There should be an immigration reform where all immigrants are protected from deportation, not just dreamers.

If the deal calls from dreamers at the expense of the 90% of the undocumented immigrant community, then such deal should be boycotted by the undocumented immigrant community.

Says the guy with the green card. Lmao

LiveYourLife 01-10-2018 10:46 PM

Re: Left fears Democrats will give too much on immigration
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Immigrant (Post 668177)
There should be an immigration reform where all immigrants are protected from deportation, not just dreamers.

If the deal calls from dreamers at the expense of the 90% of the undocumented immigrant community, then such deal should be boycotted by the undocumented immigrant community.

I understand where you're coming from but all dreamers even the non DACA receivers must be protected first. Unlike most other undocumented immigrants we have little to no memories of where we came from as kids. We did not purposely break the law and put ourselves in this situation as we were too young to understand what the heck was happening.

vft1008 01-10-2018 11:37 PM

Re: Left fears Democrats will give too much on immigration
 
CIR is never going to be a starting point in this political environment. Period. If you think otherwise, you're delusional.

Baby steps, ya dumbasses.

unthinkable 01-10-2018 11:45 PM

Re: Left fears Democrats will give too much on immigration
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Immigrant (Post 668168)
They are correct. All non-criminal immigrants must be protected, not just DACAers.

DACAers have no special privilege over older folks.

You are a retard. Go somewhere else.

libertarian1776 01-11-2018 05:02 AM

Re: Left fears Democrats will give too much on immigration
 
r u srsly telling us this now? on the verge of our glorious victory?

stfu,you already have a gc. stop being a troll. gtfo here if u hate DACA'ers so much.

nobody likes u on here dawg.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Immigrant (Post 668168)
They are correct. All non-criminal immigrants must be protected, not just DACAers.

DACAers have no special privilege over older folks.


bertdude7 01-11-2018 05:33 AM

Re: Left fears Democrats will give too much on immigration
 
It feels like Democrats in the House are our of touch and the Dems in the senate are the ones that are the realists. Senate democrats are the ones doing the heavy lifting. If this deal goes south, blame house dems.


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