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catportal 01-11-2018 05:09 PM

Bipartisan DACA Deal includes $1.6B for The Wall
 
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/...ign-off-336501

Senators reach preliminary Dreamers deal, but Trump hasn't signed off
The tentative agreement includes $1.6 billion for wall planning and construction.

By SEUNG MIN KIM and NOLAN D. MCCASKILL 01/11/2018 02:05 PM EST Updated 01/11/2018 04:01 PM EST

A bipartisan group of six senators has reached a deal that would shield “Dreamers” from deportation and make other changes to immigration laws and border security — but the framework has yet to win over the White House and other key players on Capitol Hill.

The package negotiated by the senators includes $2.7 billion for border security, which includes Trump's $1.6 billion request for wall planning and construction, as well as $1.1 billion for security infrastructure and technology, two sources directly familiar with the negotiations confirmed to POLITICO.

Lawmakers rushed to the White House for a hastily-called meeting Thursday to present details of the Senate group's plan to President Donald Trump. But White House legislative affairs director Marc Short said on Capitol Hill that the president has not yet signed off.

The Senate negotiators said they would keep working.

"President Trump called on Congress to solve the DACA challenge," the senators said in a joint statement. "We have been working for four months and have reached an agreement in principle that addresses border security, the diversity visa lottery, chain migration/family reunification, and the Dream Act — the areas outlined by the President. We are now working to build support for that deal in Congress."

The group includes Sens. Jeff Flake (R-Ariz.), Dick Durbin (D-Ill.), Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.), Cory Gardner (R-Colo.), Michael Bennet (D-Colo.) and Bob Menendez (D-N.J.).

Senate Republican leaders said they, too, are seeking details of the agreement.

"I think it's a good idea for them to share that with everybody else. My job is to count the votes, and I think until people are comfortable with the product, they're not gonna commit to voting for it, and that's what I think our goal should be, is to get it passed,” Senate Majority Whip John Cornyn (R-Texas) said. “So I welcome their contribution, but it's not gonna be something that's agreed to by just a handful of people."

Details of the agreement are scant. But senators have considered effectively nixing the visa lottery and reallocating those visas to a separate program being terminated by the Trump administration aiding immigrants from countries facing natural disasters or civil strife. Countries affected so far by Trump’s ending of Temporary Protected Status include El Salvador, Nicaragua, Haiti and Sudan.

To address conservative concerns about “chain migration,” the senators are proposing that undocumented parents who brought a child to the United States illegally would not be able to access a pathway to citizenship based on being sponsored by their children, Flake said. But the parents of Dreamers would be able to obtain a three-year provisional legal status that could be renewed, according to the senator.

Graham has said the provisions legalizing Dreamers would fall somewhere between the Dream Act that he authored with Durbin and a more conservative bill for Dreamers written by Sens. Thom Tillis (R-N.C.) and James Lankford (R-Okla.).

libertarian1776 01-11-2018 05:10 PM

Re: Bipartisan DACA Deal includes $1.6B for The Wall
 
$1.6 not enough monies! meet em' half way like 7-8 bil from the 18 bil the GOP initially wanted.

Cyber1964 01-11-2018 05:12 PM

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My theory is that Democrats knew this bill was getting rejected no matter how good it was the first time, so they only gave him 1.6b so they can meet in middle. They will probably re-introduce it Tomorrow.

jakeim86 01-11-2018 05:12 PM

Re: Bipartisan DACA Deal includes $1.6B for The Wall
 
Bit lacking on the details, but hopefully it includes pathway to citizenship for us.

Not quite sure what the last paragraph means:

Quote:

Graham has said the provisions legalizing Dreamers would fall somewhere between the Dream Act that he authored with Durbin and a more conservative bill for Dreamers written by Sens. Thom Tillis (R-N.C.) and James Lankford (R-Okla.).

catportal 01-11-2018 05:13 PM

Re: Bipartisan DACA Deal includes $1.6B for The Wall
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Cyber1964 (Post 668702)
My theory is that Democrats knew this bill was getting rejected no matter how good it was the first time, so they only gave him 1.6b so they can meet in middle. They will probably re-introduce it Tomorrow.

If you believe that McCarthy and Graham were on board with that plan...

eva02 01-11-2018 05:13 PM

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Trump is stupid and no bill will be good enough to please the racist right

Foal Eagle 01-11-2018 05:13 PM

Re: Bipartisan DACA Deal includes $1.6B for The Wall
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by catportal (Post 668696)

Graham has said the provisions legalizing Dreamers would fall somewhere between the Dream Act that he authored with Durbin and a more conservative bill for Dreamers written by Sens. Thom Tillis (R-N.C.) and James Lankford (R-Okla.).

so in other words, not the dream act

catportal 01-11-2018 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Foal Eagle (Post 668707)
so in other words, not the dream act

Well thats obvious... Dream Act has no border security provisions.

Foal Eagle 01-11-2018 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by catportal (Post 668709)
Well thats obvious... Dream Act has no border security provisions.

what im focused on is the provisions legalizing dreamers, what exactly does that mean?

JJ Glo 01-11-2018 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Foal Eagle (Post 668714)
what im focused on is the provisions legalizing dreamers, what exactly does that mean?

Probably won't include as many people as the Dream Act.

Afridi786 01-11-2018 05:19 PM

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I think if they up the border security money, this could pass.

Red neck 01-11-2018 05:19 PM

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https://twitter.com/SenatorDurbin/st...54433967673345


Senator Dick Durbin

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My colleagues and I have reached a bipartisan agreement on the #DreamAct


Durbin my man!!!

ceaguila 01-11-2018 05:21 PM

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The biggest obstacles are Cotton who has ties to Miller and is trying to derail shit. Dems need to stand strong now more than ever,

This is a good start, probably give more money for border security and the protection for parents probably are the biggest sticky points right now

Foal Eagle 01-11-2018 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by JJ Glo (Post 668715)
Probably won't include as many people as the Dream Act.

then why say the reached an agreement on the Dream Act? Why didnt they just call it something else? There are other dreamers besides the ones that fall into a perfect, narrow window of eligibility

Cyber1964 01-11-2018 05:22 PM

Re: Bipartisan DACA Deal includes $1.6B for The Wall
 
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Originally Posted by Red neck (Post 668717)
https://twitter.com/SenatorDurbin/st...54433967673345


Senator Dick Durbin

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My colleagues and I have reached a bipartisan agreement on the #DreamAct


Durbin my man!!!

So, he is talking about a different bill than the one that was rejected earlier, right? I'm guessing they will send it to WH Tomorrow?

BestBefore1984 01-11-2018 05:23 PM

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Ok, going to hold off any excitement until it's like, you know confirmed?

always_learner11 01-11-2018 05:25 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Cyber1964 (Post 668720)
So, he is talking about a different bill than the one that was rejected earlier, right? I'm guessing they will send it to WH Tomorrow?

No, Flake said in an interview on MSNBC that they will be shopping the bill around this weekend. They'll probably present it to Trump on Monday.

Edit: so it'll be the same bill, but revised.

Alfredo93 01-11-2018 05:25 PM

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This time I wont pop bottles until Trump tweets it
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catportal 01-11-2018 05:26 PM

Re: Bipartisan DACA Deal includes $1.6B for The Wall
 
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Originally Posted by Alfredo93 (Post 668724)
This time I wont pop bottles until Trump tweets it
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Trump already rejected this. They have to do more.

JJ Glo 01-11-2018 05:29 PM

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I'm confused AF. Apparently a deal had been reached, WH rejected, now a deal has been reached again?

Afridi786 01-11-2018 05:30 PM

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Yeah, idk wtf is going on.

Transcend 01-11-2018 05:31 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Cyber1964 (Post 668702)
My theory is that Democrats knew this bill was getting rejected no matter how good it was the first time, so they only gave him 1.6b so they can meet in middle. They will probably re-introduce it Tomorrow.

^This. I am really hoping it's part of the show. This way both parties can say they fought tooth&nail to get to an agreement. It works out even better for Trump since it'd reinforce his perceived talent for deal-making.

Transcend 01-11-2018 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by JJ Glo (Post 668727)
I'm confused AF. Apparently a deal had been reached, WH rejected, now a deal has been reached again?

Hahah..I am scratching my head same as you lol. wtf...are the media or the politicans the ones trolling us?

pavpatel 01-11-2018 05:37 PM

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Seung Min Kim

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12-year path to citizenship for Dreamers in deal, although it's effectively 10 years for people who have already been approved for DACA (12 for those who would ultimately qualify for program)

BestBefore1984 01-11-2018 05:38 PM

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12 years? sounds good.

pavpatel 01-11-2018 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by pavpatel (Post 668731)
Seung Min Kim

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12-year path to citizenship for Dreamers in deal, although it's effectively 10 years for people who have already been approved for DACA (12 for those who would ultimately qualify for program)

No offense but I don't really care about citizenship. I just want to live in peace and travel at my own will.

hopeful_in_nyc 01-11-2018 05:40 PM

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I’m so confused

JavierHTx 01-11-2018 05:41 PM

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To address conservative concerns about “chain migration,” the senators are proposing that undocumented parents who brought a child to the United States illegally would not be able to access a pathway to citizenship based on being sponsored by their children, Flake said. But the parents of Dreamers would be able to obtain a three-year provisional legal status that could be renewed, according to the senator.
What about children that were born in the US? Wonder if they can still sponsor their parents.

Foal Eagle 01-11-2018 05:41 PM

Re: Bipartisan DACA Deal includes $1.6B for The Wall
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by pavpatel (Post 668731)
Seung Min Kim

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12-year path to citizenship for Dreamers in deal, although it's effectively 10 years for people who have already been approved for DACA (12 for those who would ultimately qualify for program)

I hope that means that people with DACA have 10 year path and younger and older dreamers are the ones on the 12 year path

pavpatel 01-11-2018 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by hopeful_in_nyc (Post 668734)
I’m so confused

what are you confused about? senate group has finalized a deal, trump took a look and said try again. at the same time, they're going around and asking the rest of the senate how they feel about their deal.

Foal Eagle 01-11-2018 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by JavierHTx (Post 668735)
What about children that were born in the US? Wonder if they can still sponsor their parents.

or what about children that were daca eligible but got citizenship through marriage before DACA was ever a thing? Do those parents still have a path?

ceaguila 01-11-2018 05:42 PM

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...d94_story.html

Read that, it’s disturbing.

JavierHTx 01-11-2018 05:42 PM

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10 years? Lawd

W/e

VJB2 01-11-2018 05:42 PM

Re: Bipartisan DACA Deal includes $1.6B for The Wall
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by pavpatel (Post 668731)
Seung Min Kim

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12-year path to citizenship for Dreamers in deal, although it's effectively 10 years for people who have already been approved for DACA (12 for those who would ultimately qualify for program)

Fine. Whatever. I don't care to be a citizen, just a green card will suffice.

frbc13 01-11-2018 05:43 PM

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It's not over till the man with the orange hair tweets

Transcend 01-11-2018 05:44 PM

Re: Bipartisan DACA Deal includes $1.6B for The Wall
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by pavpatel (Post 668737)
what are you confused about? senate group has finalized a deal, trump took a look and said try again. at the same time, they're going around and asking the rest of the senate how they feel about their deal.

Not sure if your interpretation is accurate. Some of us are thinking it's a round #2-type agreement after the WH already took a look and rejected. Durbin's initial comments and the tweet just now, serves as justification.

always_learner11 01-11-2018 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by ceaguila (Post 668740)

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Trump had seemed amenable to a deal earlier in the day during phone calls, aides said, but shifted his position in the meeting and did not seem interested.
How is this going to appear on the mainstream media? How will it affect Trump's views after seeing what the media says?

JavierHTx 01-11-2018 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by ceaguila (Post 668740)

If people had any doubt that Trump was racist then that should clear things up.

Foal Eagle 01-11-2018 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by ceaguila (Post 668740)

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“Why are we having all these people from shithole countries come here?” Trump said, according to these people, referring to African countries and Haiti. He then suggested that the United States should instead bring more people from countries like Norway, whose prime minister he met yesterday.
Why would anyone from Norway want to come here? WTF is wrong with this dude?

JavierHTx 01-11-2018 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Foal Eagle (Post 668748)
Why would anyone from Norway want to come here? WTF is wrong with this dude?

I love how he picks the whitest country in the world.


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