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Adrian2145 01-12-2018 08:29 AM
Trump tweet on bipartisan deal
 
https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/...85587765280768

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The so-called bipartisan DACA deal presented yesterday to myself and a group of Republican Senators and Congressmen was a big step backwards. Wall was not properly funded, Chain & Lottery were made worse and USA would be forced to take large numbers of people from high crime.....
https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/...93123985973248

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The language used by me at the DACA meeting was tough, but this was not the language used. What was really tough was the outlandish proposal made - a big setback for DACA!

https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/...90999784783872

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....Because of the Democrats not being interested in life and safety, DACA has now taken a big step backwards. The Dems will threaten “shutdown,” but what they are really doing is shutting down our military, at a time we need it most. Get smart, MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN!
https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/...98415301718017

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Sadly, Democrats want to stop paying our troops and government workers in order to give a sweetheart deal, not a fair deal, for DACA. Take care of our Military, and our Country, FIRST!

Afridi786 01-12-2018 08:35 AM
Re: Trump tweet on bipartisan deal
 
Yeah, we're fucked.

dgx21 01-12-2018 08:38 AM
Re: Trump tweet on bipartisan deal
 
Tomorrow he'll say he will sign anything Congress gives him, tough talk is always on twitter.

Adrian2145 01-12-2018 08:42 AM
Re: Trump tweet on bipartisan deal
 
Didn’t McConnell promise a vote on a bipartisan deal?
If we can get 67 votes and a discharge petition from the house and get 290 votes maybe we don’t need trump.

Marco956 01-12-2018 09:07 AM
Re: Trump tweet on bipartisan deal
 
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Originally Posted by Adrian2145 (Post 669085)
Didn’t McConnell promise a vote on a bipartisan deal?
If we can get 67 votes and a discharge petition from the house and get 290 votes maybe we don’t need trump.
GOP wont put anything for vote thaf isnt supported by Trump

JJ Glo 01-12-2018 09:10 AM
Re: Trump tweet on bipartisan deal
 
Dems deserve this to be honest, for putting out such a shitty proposal. This is all negotiation. Dems low balled, so Trump felt like he was trying to get taken advantage of and told them to fuck off. The working group can come up with a more reasonable proposal than what was presented.

Adrian2145 01-12-2018 09:10 AM
Re: Trump tweet on bipartisan deal
 
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Originally Posted by Marco956 (Post 669086)
GOP wont put anything for vote thaf isnt supported by Trump
McConnell promised flake for a freestanding vote if a bipartisan deal was reached in January

Swim19 01-12-2018 09:20 AM
Re: Trump tweet on bipartisan deal
 
Not surprised. These tweets might be for his base, but they also derail negotiations. I wonder if Miller was the one to tuck him into bed last night? Also I was reading this interview WSJ did with Trump and he didn't seem to understand that DACA participants are DREAMers.

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"There's a lot of - there's a lot of- there's a big difference - first of all, there's a big difference between DACA and Dreamers, OK"
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"But there's a big difference between DACA and Dreamers. And a lot of times when I was with certain Democrats they kept using the word dreamer. I said, "Please, use the word DACA." You know it's a totally different word.

fl_dreamer 01-12-2018 09:23 AM
Re: Trump tweet on bipartisan deal
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by JJ Glo (Post 669087)
Dems deserve this to be honest, for putting out such a shitty proposal. This is all negotiation. Dems low balled, so Trump felt like he was trying to get taken advantage of and told them to fuck off. The working group can come up with a more reasonable proposal than what was presented.
agreed.

Dreamtime 01-12-2018 09:30 AM
Re: Trump tweet on bipartisan deal
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Adrian2145 (Post 669088)
McConnell promised flake for a freestanding vote if a bipartisan deal was reached in January
Yes he did. But only if they had the necessary votes to pass it. Without Trump's support, I don't think they will have the votes.

MIdreamer 01-12-2018 09:35 AM
Re: Trump tweet on bipartisan deal
 
We are running out of time for a DACA deal. Even if Trump support the deal now, it still has to go through all the voting process!

Swim19 01-12-2018 09:43 AM
Re: Trump tweet on bipartisan deal
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by JJ Glo (Post 669087)
Dems deserve this to be honest, for putting out such a shitty proposal. This is all negotiation. Dems low balled, so Trump felt like he was trying to get taken advantage of and told them to fuck off. The working group can come up with a more reasonable proposal than what was presented.
You give Trump too much of a pass. He could have said he needs more money for the wall as next step in negotiations. Instead he goes on a rant like a spoiled two year old. Also stop saying it was only DEMs - this was a bipartisan proposal

moto 01-12-2018 09:45 AM
Re: Trump tweet on bipartisan deal
 
It's like both sides don't want any solution so they can keep milking it more

Afridi786 01-12-2018 09:55 AM
Re: Trump tweet on bipartisan deal
 
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Originally Posted by moto (Post 669096)
It's like both sides don't want any solution so they can keep milking it more
That was always going to be most likely outcome.

JJ Glo 01-12-2018 10:00 AM
Re: Trump tweet on bipartisan deal
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Swim19 (Post 669095)
You give Trump too much of a pass. He could have said he needs more money for the wall as next step in negotiations. Instead he goes on a rant like a spoiled two year old. Also stop saying it was only DEMs - this was a bipartisan proposal
He did say that. They tried to give him $1.6b when he was asking for 18? They tried to throw in TPS when DHS has just cancelled it?

hopeful_in_nyc 01-12-2018 10:01 AM
Re: Trump tweet on bipartisan deal
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Swim19 (Post 669095)
You give Trump too much of a pass. He could have said he needs more money for the wall as next step in negotiations. Instead he goes on a rant like a spoiled two year old. Also stop saying it was only DEMs - this was a bipartisan proposal
Exactly this. Some people on this forum feed off of others opinions way too much without analyzing and understanding the situation. This was a bipartisan proposal: 4 repubs and 4 dems. What I would like to know is to what extent Schumer, Pelosi were involved in this? It’s def back to the drawing board but relief is coming.

JJ Glo 01-12-2018 10:04 AM
Re: Trump tweet on bipartisan deal
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Swim19 (Post 669090)
Not surprised. These tweets might be for his base, but they also derail negotiations. I wonder if Miller was the one to tuck him into bed last night? Also I was reading this interview WSJ did with Trump and he didn't seem to understand that DACA participants are DREAMers.
Tha'ts a strange fucking thing to say. Difference between DACA and Dreamers? WTF?

always_learner11 01-12-2018 10:19 AM
Re: Trump tweet on bipartisan deal
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by JJ Glo (Post 669098)
He did say that. They tried to give him $1.6b when he was asking for 18? They tried to throw in TPS when DHS has just cancelled it?
Trump did say that he wanted more money for his wall. The problem is, that's not all he said. He said a lot of other things, and that's where the problem lies. That's where negotiations are derailed.

Give him 5-18B for his wall, you say? Well that means giving him 10-33B all together for border security. Some Democrats will not support this.

As for the TPS, an effort needed to be made to defend them. If no effort was made, many Democrats would be furious.

That's not a good idea. You're going to lose some Republicans regardless, and now you want to lose some Democrats. This bill is not going to pass with some Democrats and some Republicans not supporting it. You need most all Democrats and some Republicans.

This was not a lowball offer. Democrats are just dealing with unreasonable people.

eva02 01-12-2018 10:28 AM
Re: Trump tweet on bipartisan deal
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by JJ Glo (Post 669087)
Dems deserve this to be honest, for putting out such a shitty proposal. This is all negotiation. Dems low balled, so Trump felt like he was trying to get taken advantage of and told them to fuck off. The working group can come up with a more reasonable proposal than what was presented.
Republicans were in on that negotiation. This appeased both sides. If they move it more to the right your gonna lose democrats, move it more to the left you’ll lose republicans.

UnknownUser 01-12-2018 10:29 AM
Re: Trump tweet on bipartisan deal
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by JJ Glo (Post 669101)
Tha'ts a strange fucking thing to say. Difference between DACA and Dreamers? WTF?
I think he means Dreamers are the people that aged out or never got to apply for DACA.
DACA, the roughly 700,000 people currently under the program.

MIdreamer 01-12-2018 10:31 AM
Re: Trump tweet on bipartisan deal
 
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Originally Posted by JJ Glo (Post 669101)
Tha'ts a strange fucking thing to say. Difference between DACA and Dreamers? WTF?
"DACA" has 4 letters while "Dreamers" has 7 letters. The difference is BIGLY!

versailles 01-12-2018 10:41 AM
Re: Trump tweet on bipartisan deal
 
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Originally Posted by always_learner11 (Post 669103)
Trump did say that he wanted more money for his wall. The problem is, that's not all he said. He said a lot of other things, and that's where the problem lies. That's where negotiations are derailed.

Give him 5-18B for his wall, you say? Well that means giving him 10-33B all together for border security. Some Democrats will not support this.

As for the TPS, an effort needed to be made to defend them. If no effort was made, many Democrats would be furious.

That's not a good idea. You're going to lose some Republicans regardless, and now you want to lose some Democrats. This bill is not going to pass with some Democrats and some Republicans not supporting it. You need most all Democrats and some Republicans.

This was not a lowball offer. Democrats are just dealing with unreasonable people.
how can you honestly think that dems are the ones dealing with unreasonable people.
you do know that border security isn't even something that is a concession by them, right?
it's something that we need, and is agreed upon across the board.
chain migration is an actual problem, because eventually you have more and more people that have no real ties to this country being granted citizenship on the basis of a flawed system.
and what else...
the diversity lottery?
that is again, something that is something that is agreed upon by both sides that it needs to be ended.

so the problem here isn't that repubs are being unreasonable, it's that dems are purposely not making their best effort on our behalf.
first they lumped in the broader dreamer population, and now they tried to lump in TPS.
everything trump is asking for is understandable, i can't say the same for dems.

JayR9 01-12-2018 10:58 AM
Re: Trump tweet on bipartisan deal
 
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Originally Posted by versailles (Post 669125)
how can you honestly think that dems are the ones dealing with unreasonable people.
you do know that border security isn't even something that is a concession by them, right?
it's something that we need, and is agreed upon across the board.
chain migration is an actual problem, because eventually you have more and more people that have no real ties to this country being granted citizenship on the basis of a flawed system.
and what else...
the diversity lottery?
that is again, something that is something that is agreed upon by both sides that it needs to be ended.

so the problem here isn't that repubs are being unreasonable, it's that dems are purposely not making their best effort on our behalf.
first they lumped in the broader dreamer population, and now they tried to lump in TPS.
everything trump is asking for is understandable, i can't say the same for dems.
Are you serious? Your lord and savior said he wanted it done in two phases. Dreamers would" be a bill of love"and then rest should be done in a CIR. It pretty damn reasonable that diversity lottery and chain migration did not get solved in a Dreamer bill. We only make up about 10% of the undocumented population, you can't expect all bargaining chips to be used just for us. Also this bill was created through bipartisan effort so republicans senators agreed to it as well.

versailles 01-12-2018 11:03 AM
Re: Trump tweet on bipartisan deal
 
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Originally Posted by JayR9 (Post 669136)
Are you serious? Your lord and savior said he wanted it done in two phases. Dreamers would" be a bill of love"and then rest should be done in a CIR. It pretty damn reasonable that diversity lottery and chain migration did not get solved in a Dreamer bill. We only make up about 10% of the undocumented population, you can't expect all bargaining chips to be used just for us. Also this bill was created through bipartisan effort so republicans senators agreed to it as well.
do you not understand how to think rationally and view this reasonably?
why WOULDN'T this bill be for the current DACA population?
how the fuck is ending diversity lottery a bargaining chip if the push to end it is bipartisan?
the bargaining chips for CIR as it stands are just chain migration.
that's literally it.
if we had a wall, the negotiations for broader CIR would be easier in the future, because while you can't legalize 20+ million undocumented people, it's not realistic to think that all of those are going to be deported.

so basically what do you think dems are even giving???
the wall doesn't count.

always_learner11 01-12-2018 11:20 AM
Re: Trump tweet on bipartisan deal
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by versailles (Post 669125)
how can you honestly think that dems are the ones dealing with unreasonable people.
you do know that border security isn't even something that is a concession by them, right?
it's something that we need, and is agreed upon across the board.
What's agreed is that we need border security. All the money for a great wall is not agreed. Border security, yes. Great wall, not necessarily. Only about 40% of Americans want the wall. Compare that to 80% who want DACA.

Democrats lost on tax reform and they lost on health care (individual mandate repealed). If they lose on the wall, they risk revitalizing the Trump base and angering the Dem base. In an election year, this is dangerous.

Sure a DACA fix would be in place, but Democrats would be risking a lot.

Democrats fight for more than just DREAMers.

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Originally Posted by versailles (Post 669125)
chain migration is an actual problem, because eventually you have more and more people that have no real ties to this country being granted citizenship on the basis of a flawed system.
If you're going to give up chain migration and you want to employ a merit based system, do it, but do it in CIR. In exchange, give work authorization to the 12m+ undocumented people here because of a broken immigration system. That's a fair trade.

DREAMers for CIR (i.e. change from chain to merit) is not a fair trade because Democrats fight for more than just DREAMers.


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Originally Posted by versailles (Post 669125)
the diversity lottery?
that is again, something that is something that is agreed upon by both sides that it needs to be ended.

so the problem here isn't that repubs are being unreasonable, it's that dems are purposely not making their best effort on our behalf.
first they lumped in the broader dreamer population, and now they tried to lump in TPS.
everything trump is asking for is understandable, i can't say the same for dems.
This is a nation of immigrants. Make changes to the immigration system where it's merit based, but leave some room (at least a little) for compassion and diversity. By completely eliminating Diversity Lottery and TPS you're turning this country into Trump nation.

Democrats won't allow this. Democrats fight for more than just DREAMers.

Immigrant 01-12-2018 12:46 PM
Re: Trump tweet on bipartisan deal
 
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Originally Posted by versailles (Post 669165)
TPS was always meant to be temporary so stop equating it with DACA.
So is DACA. Both were temporary measures.

cooltalker 01-12-2018 12:46 PM
Re: Trump tweet on bipartisan deal
 
Electing Trump was "a big step backwards" for America, but here we are.

versailles 01-12-2018 12:48 PM
Re: Trump tweet on bipartisan deal
 
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Originally Posted by Immigrant (Post 669281)
So is DACA. Both were temporary measures.
they aren't the same.
stop trying to make it seem like they're the same.

ladreamer1998 01-12-2018 12:53 PM
Re: Trump tweet on bipartisan deal
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by JJ Glo (Post 669087)
Dems deserve this to be honest, for putting out such a shitty proposal. This is all negotiation. Dems low balled, so Trump felt like he was trying to get taken advantage of and told them to fuck off. The working group can come up with a more reasonable proposal than what was presented.
They need to completely eliminate the DV lottery and not include non tps dreamers.

ddc7 01-12-2018 01:50 PM
Re: Trump tweet on bipartisan deal
 
How is the democrats proposal weak when Trump wants funding for a stupid freaking wall? A wall that tax payers will pay for, NOT MEXICO!

catportal 01-12-2018 02:27 PM
Re: Trump tweet on bipartisan deal
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by versailles (Post 669285)
they aren't the same.
stop trying to make it seem like they're the same.
Actually they are legally under the same protected class.

Jax57 01-12-2018 02:32 PM
Re: Trump tweet on bipartisan deal
 
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Originally Posted by versailles (Post 669285)
they aren't the same.
stop trying to make it seem like they're the same.
Well, Dick Durbin wants to help both groups, doesn't really matter what you think.

libertarian1776 01-12-2018 03:09 PM
Re: Trump tweet on bipartisan deal
 
cmon guys, its disheartening seeing the "we're fucked" posts here.

our time here is over because of tweets? damn, thats how petty our downfall would be? i was expecting us to lose 1 vote short of cloture and i can accept that, but tweets? no fucking way, dont give up just yet.

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Originally Posted by Swim19 (Post 669090)
Not surprised. These tweets might be for his base, but they also derail negotiations. I wonder if Miller was the one to tuck him into bed last night? Also I was reading this interview WSJ did with Trump and he didn't seem to understand that DACA participants are DREAMers.

Swim19 01-12-2018 03:19 PM
Re: Trump tweet on bipartisan deal
 
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Originally Posted by libertarian1776 (Post 669413)
cmon guys, its disheartening seeing the "we're fucked" posts here.

our time here is over because of tweets? damn, thats how petty our downfall would be? i was expecting us to lose 1 vote short of cloture and i can accept that, but tweets? no fucking way, dont give up just yet.
I'm not giving up, but I am going to start actively working on Plan B. I honestly don't see how the GOP & DEMs are going to agree - not when a deal must satisfy members like Cotton & Goodlatte. Also there will always be DREAMers fighting to stay here, even if some of us leave.

It wasn't the tweet as much as Durbin's response to the meeting.

libertarian1776 01-12-2018 03:23 PM
Re: Trump tweet on bipartisan deal
 
Our bipartisan group continues to build support for the only deal in town. The President and others trying to derail it do not have an alternative that can earn bipartisan support. We have seven days and the clock is ticking. - @SenDurbin

fl_dreamer 01-12-2018 03:29 PM
Re: Trump tweet on bipartisan deal
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Swim19 (Post 669425)
I'm not giving up, but I am going to start actively working on Plan B.
If we had Plan Bs, we wouldn't be giving a flying F right now.

Swim19 01-12-2018 03:31 PM
Re: Trump tweet on bipartisan deal
 
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Originally Posted by fl_dreamer (Post 669431)
If we had Plan Bs, we wouldn't be giving a flying F right now.
My Plan B is leaving US...I didn't mean a Plan B that allowed me another path to adjust here.

jaylove16 01-12-2018 04:30 PM
Re: Trump tweet on bipartisan deal
 
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Originally Posted by Swim19 (Post 669433)
My Plan B is leaving US...I didn't mean a Plan B that allowed me another path to adjust here.
Swim, we will be okay !

kidcomesback 01-12-2018 05:10 PM
Re: Trump tweet on bipartisan deal
 
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Originally Posted by Swim19 (Post 669433)
My Plan B is leaving US...I didn't mean a Plan B that allowed me another path to adjust here.
Besides Fast track to Canada, any other place we can go to directly from the USA?

Afridi786 01-12-2018 05:13 PM
Re: Trump tweet on bipartisan deal
 
Can we immigrate to Canada? I should have a masters degree by the end of the year.


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