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JavierHTx 01-29-2018 10:18 PM

Black Activists are not with us
 
https://twitter.com/tariqnasheed/sta...14586991939585

After Camila Cabello’s speech on Dreamers on the Grammys stage a well known black activist on Twitter called her out with this speech “I’m no. This country was NOT “built” by Dreamers. It was built by the free labor of Black Americans who are still disrespected by white supremacists and immigrant groups who often exhibit the same anti-Black hatred. So chill with the alternate history”. His tweet has gotten over 20 thousand retweets from mostly black users.

This country was indeed found by young immigrants. Idk why people black people want to make this the a game of who can be oppressed the most.

Pianoswithoutfaith 01-30-2018 11:50 AM

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Saying this country was built by dreamers completely dismisses what black peoplr went through or any other people who were oppressed like native Americans

Now some Native American activist will say

"No this country wasn't built on the back of black slaves, it was built on the suffering of million of my people"

cmartinez 01-30-2018 12:01 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by JavierHTx (Post 683529)
https://twitter.com/tariqnasheed/sta...14586991939585

After Camila Cabello’s speech on Dreamers on the Grammys stage a well known black activist on Twitter called her out with this speech “I’m no. This country was NOT “built” by Dreamers. It was built by the free labor of Black Americans who are still disrespected by white supremacists and immigrant groups who often exhibit the same anti-Black hatred. So chill with the alternate history”. His tweet has gotten over 20 thousand retweets from mostly black users.

This country was indeed found by young immigrants. Idk why people black people want to make this the a game of who can be oppressed the most.

I did not hear Cabello's speech. Assuming she in fact said that Dreamers built this country, she is not correct. But, at the same time, who cares? Can ANYONE actually successfully tell me who built this country? No, because the answer is messy and has multiple valid answers that are all somewhat true.

As for Tariq's response...he isn't a prominent black acitivist. He is a fringe pan Africanist that is problematic. He doesn't represent mainline black activism, and we shouldn't say that "black activists are not with us" because of the comments of a fringe person.

MIdreamer 01-30-2018 12:04 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by cmartinez (Post 683685)
I did not hear Cabello's speech. Assuming she in fact said that Dreamers built this country, she is not correct. But, at the same time, who cares? Can ANYONE actually successfully tell me who build this country? No, because the answer is messy and has multiple valid answers that are all somewhat true.

As for Tariq's response...he isn't a prominent black acitivist. He is a fringe pan Africanist that is problematic. He doesn't represent mainline black activism, and we shouldn't say that "black activists are not with us" because of the comments of a fringe person.

This^

Copper 01-30-2018 12:14 PM

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They probably took her comment out of context. I think what she meant by “this country was built on dreamers “ was that it was built by immigrants who had the taste for the American Dream and were able to fulfill that and in the process they helped build this country of what it is now. At least that’s how I took it. People have to remember that before us the “Dreamers”, there was the people that were the original “Dreamers”. The people that were looking for the “American Dream” that migrated here before us.

Also this doesn’t surprise me coming from them. Not to try to start a race war, but a lot of the African Community also gave Chamillionaire a hard time for helping out a Mexican family who’s dad was being deported after being in the country for many years. According to them black people should only be helping black people...

https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5...b06e25326700cf

johnfreyan 01-30-2018 12:26 PM

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For fuck's sake, it's Tariq Nasheed.

He's such an *esteemed* activist, becoming famous for writing such insightful books as "The Art of Mackin' ", "The Art of Gold Digging", and "The Elite Way: 10 Rules Men Must Know in Order to Deal With Women".

https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/10...g?v=1481523400

bad.bunny 01-30-2018 12:35 PM

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I do not understand. Many Dreamers are of African descent especially if they're from the following countries: Jamaica, Dominican Republic, Venezuela, the coast of Colombia, Panama, the coast of Honduras, Veracruz in Mexico, Haiti, Brazil, Trinidad & Tobago, etc.

OP, the man sounds like an African AMERICAN supremacist who is going against his people as well.

bad.bunny 01-30-2018 12:36 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Pianoswithoutfaith (Post 683682)
Saying this country was built by dreamers completely dismisses what black peoplr went through or any other people who were oppressed like native Americans

Now some Native American activist will say

"No this country wasn't built on the back of black slaves, it was built on the suffering of million of my people"

But Native Americans did build civilizations ranging from Canada to Argentina & even some Caribbean countries until they were eradicated by viscious conquistadors.

They're the true backbone of the Americas.

Sorrybrah 01-30-2018 01:08 PM

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Lol and now black people in the ghettos are ruining it.

Got_Daca 01-30-2018 02:30 PM

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End DV lottery now

Kaisaurus 01-30-2018 05:56 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Copper (Post 683690)
They probably took her comment out of context. I think what she meant by “this country was built on dreamers “ was that it was built by immigrants who had the taste for the American Dream and were able to fulfill that and in the process they helped build this country of what it is now. At least that’s how I took it. People have to remember that before us the “Dreamers”, there was the people that were the original “Dreamers”. The people that were looking for the “American Dream” that migrated here before us.

Also this doesn’t surprise me coming from them. Not to try to start a race war, but a lot of the African Community also gave Chamillionaire a hard time for helping out a Mexican family who’s dad was being deported after being in the country for many years. According to them black people should only be helping black people...

https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5...b06e25326700cf

This whole thread is unfortunate, I hope in the future when posting things like this you consider the source and title it accordingly. Promoting something from Tariq is like posting a Britbart article. For those who are unaware he is a hotep that constantly degrades black women and the lgbtq community and blames them for the state of black America.

As far as Camilla her comments were not taking out of context, she talked about being from Cuba and invoked dreamers in the same sense anyone does these days when speaking of immigration. She was the wrong person to give this speech as she has expressed racist sentiments before including referring to her bandmates by the n word. I don't expect anyone to know this, I just found out myself when the backlash occurred. Racism and colorism exists even in marginal immigrant communities. I've seen it on here many times and in real life and its sad and disgusting.

Finally, please stop being hyperbolic, the opinions of some do not speak on a community as a whole. Using your example Chamillionaire is African American and reached out to help a family and I applaud him as many in the African American community have. Focusing on the minority of people, claiming its a lot? Maybe you should ask yourself why your thoughts went there to begin with. Maybe you have a problem with "them".

Kaisaurus 01-30-2018 06:00 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Sorrybrah (Post 683724)
Lol and now black people in the ghettos are ruining it.

Eat a dick brah.

Copper 01-30-2018 06:13 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Kaisaurus (Post 683849)
This whole thread is unfortunate, I hope in the future when posting things like this you consider the source and title it accordingly. Promoting something from Tariq is like posting a Britbart article. For those who are unaware he is a hotep that constantly degrades black women and the lgbtq community and blames them for the state of black America.

As far as Camilla her comments were not taking out of context, she talked about being from Cuba and invoked dreamers in the same sense anyone does these days when speaking of immigration. She was the wrong person to give this speech as she has expressed racist sentiments before including referring to her bandmates by the n word. I don't expect anyone to know this, I just found out myself when the backlash occurred. Racism and colorism exists even in marginal immigrant communities. I've seen it on here many times and in real life and its sad and disgusting.

Finally, please stop being hyperbolic, the opinions of some do not speak on a community as a whole. Using your example Chamillionaire is African American and reached out to help a family and I applaud him as many in the African American community have. Focusing on the minority of people, claiming its a lot? Maybe you should ask yourself why your thoughts went there to begin with. Maybe you have a problem with "them".

I hope in the future when reading an article you actually READ on who posted the ARTICLE. As far as Camilla goes, she said what she needed to say, people need to stop being sensitive and stop taking her comment out of context, let’s not try to make something is NOT! Geez! She made one comment and all of a sudden snow flakes popping out everywhere!

Secondly I never said he entire black community speaks for everyone, so where did you get that? Stop trying to make something is not, you’re no victim, no one is!

2MoreYears 01-30-2018 06:32 PM

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DACA Dreams Matter!!

Kaisaurus 01-30-2018 07:25 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Kaisaurus (Post 683851)
Eat a dick brah.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Copper (Post 683856)
I hope in the future when reading an article you actually READ on who posted the ARTICLE. As far as Camilla goes, she said what she needed to say, people need to stop being sensitive and stop taking her comment out of context, let’s not try to make something is NOT! Geez! She made one comment and all of a sudden snow flakes popping out everywhere!

Secondly I never said he entire black community speaks for everyone, so where did you get that? Stop trying to make something is not, you’re no victim, no one is!

I'm aware of who wrote the thread, I can read. I am absolutely sensitive to the things that affect me and the communities that I am part of as well as those that affect people as a whole. That does not make me "snowflake" it makes me a connected human being. If people weren't sensitive to the plights of others and speak up Daca and many other programs would not exist. So save your dude bro word of the week for those of your kind who think those things are suppose to somehow hurt.

You said A LOT of black people and referred to black people as "them" and I pointed out that some does not equal a lot or even the majority.

I'm sure you turning valid critiques of your comments into an argument over semantics and some type of self victimization works sometimes but this isn't one of those cases. These tactics aren't new dear, they're old and tired. Do better or at least be entertaining.

Copper 01-30-2018 07:46 PM

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If a Grammy comment that wasn’t meant to insult anyone hurt you’re feelings then I advice you to simply stay away from TV or the internet. It’s a harsh world out there!

Kaisaurus 01-30-2018 08:47 PM

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Aah I see you’re taking the willfully obtuse route. So..... eat a dick.

Copper 01-30-2018 08:55 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Kaisaurus (Post 683935)
Aah I see you’re taking the willfully obtuse route. So..... eat a dick.

I wouldn’t want to respond to this in an obscene way. Not in your state of mind since everything offends you, so I will just let you get back into your safe space now.

JavierHTx 01-30-2018 11:56 PM

Re: Black Activists are not with us
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Kaisaurus (Post 683849)
This whole thread is unfortunate, I hope in the future when posting things like this you consider the source and title it accordingly. Promoting something from Tariq is like posting a Britbart article. For those who are unaware he is a hotep that constantly degrades black women and the lgbtq community and blames them for the state of black America.

As far as Camilla her comments were not taking out of context, she talked about being from Cuba and invoked dreamers in the same sense anyone does these days when speaking of immigration. She was the wrong person to give this speech as she has expressed racist sentiments before including referring to her bandmates by the n word. I don't expect anyone to know this, I just found out myself when the backlash occurred. Racism and colorism exists even in marginal immigrant communities. I've seen it on here many times and in real life and its sad and disgusting.

Finally, please stop being hyperbolic, the opinions of some do not speak on a community as a whole. Using your example Chamillionaire is African American and reached out to help a family and I applaud him as many in the African American community have. Focusing on the minority of people, claiming its a lot? Maybe you should ask yourself why your thoughts went there to begin with. Maybe you have a problem with "them".

Camila’s n word was harmless. She didn’t maliciously call anyone a n*gg*r. She was texting and said “ma nigga” in a friendly way. But she was a naive teen back then and has learned not to say that even joking.

Unfortunately SJW Twitter doesn’t believe in 2nd chances.

Kaisaurus 01-31-2018 12:08 AM

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Lmao you say this as you type on a site about a program that was created due to the efforts same social justice warriors. Go ahead though you’re doing amazing sweetie.

JavierHTx 01-31-2018 12:32 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Kaisaurus (Post 684200)
Lmao you say this as you type on a site about a program that was created due to the efforts same social justice warriors. Go ahead though you’re doing amazing sweetie.

If you really think Immigration issues are the same silly issues twitter cares about then you clearly have never been to SJW Twitter. They get mad if you wear dreadlocks.

ddc7 01-31-2018 09:06 AM

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The problem with Tariq is he believes every DACA recipient and or Dreamer is a white hispanic. Just because a few legal Hispanics voted for Trump he know lumps all of us In the same vote by saying we’re against the plight of the black American. I think he’s mis informed on the DACA issue. I consider my self a black Latino so his argument that all of us are racist white hispanic is wrong.

I still like Tariq but his sentiments on DACA I cannot rock with .

ddc7 01-31-2018 09:26 AM

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Read some of the comments on his Instagram feed. Wow the ignorance is alarming. Theres Comments from people that believe DACA recipients voted for Trump lol!
A lot of ‘Americans’ black and or white are very ignorant. They just spout the same thing somebody else’s says.
So now we go from being MS13 to being racist white hispanics that voted for Trump.
There’s no point trying to explain anymore.

Swim19 01-31-2018 09:37 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ddc7 (Post 684323)
Read some of the comments on his Instagram feed. Wow the ignorance is alarming. Theres Comments from people that believe DACA recipients voted for Trump lol!
A lot of ‘Americans’ black and or white are very ignorant. They just spout the same thing somebody else’s says.
So now we go from being MS13 to being racist white hispanics that voted for Trump.
There’s no point trying to explain anymore.

That's why all the Russian bots on facebook, twitter, etc were so effective in influencing the election because many Americans are uneducated, ignorant, and believe anything they read on the internet. Unfortunately that will continue into 2018 because Trump administration has done nothing to stop it.

ddc7 01-31-2018 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Swim19 (Post 684326)
That's why all the Russian bots on facebook, twitter, etc were so effective in influencing the election because many Americans are uneducated, ignorant, and believe anything they read on the internet. Unfortunately that will continue into 2018 because Trump administration has done nothing to stop it.

Exactly, I was in a chat room where there was a guy peddling lies saying that 78% of DACA recipients are on welfare! :shock:

The majority of Americans haven't even met a dreamer / DACA Recipient. They just read stuff online from mis informed people and claim it's gospel. I mean alot of them ask ignorant questions like why don't Dreamers apply for citizenship? lol

Pianoswithoutfaith 01-31-2018 11:35 AM

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Heck we have people here who believe breitbart are reliable news

cmartinez 01-31-2018 11:37 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by JavierHTx (Post 684180)
Camila’s n word was harmless. She didn’t maliciously call anyone a n*gg*r. She was texting and said “ma nigga” in a friendly way. But she was a naive teen back then and has learned not to say that even joking.

Unfortunately SJW Twitter doesn’t believe in 2nd chances.

OK, so people call you out because you are ignorant and are saying a black 'activist' who no one pays serious attention to and people think is a joke said something problematic and this is what you focus on?

You are the guy peddling fake news and fake conspiracy theories on Facebook.

One nobody said something about Dreamers, another nobody responded on Twitter and you want to draw broad conclusions about solidarity across racial lines based on the meaningless comments of these nobodies? I think you're dumb.

JavierHTx 01-31-2018 01:29 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ddc7 (Post 684398)
Exactly, I was in a chat room where there was a guy peddling lies saying that 78% of DACA recipients are on welfare! :shock:

The majority of Americans haven't even met a dreamer / DACA Recipient. They just read stuff online from mis informed people and claim it's gospel. I mean alot of them ask ignorant questions like why don't Dreamers apply for citizenship? lol

It’s no surprise Trump won the election when the majority of American people are dumb as rocks.

JavierHTx 01-31-2018 01:36 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by cmartinez (Post 684401)
OK, so people call you out because you are ignorant and are saying a black 'activist' who no one pays serious attention to and people think is a joke said something problematic and this is what you focus on?

You are the guy peddling fake news and fake conspiracy theories on Facebook.

One nobody said something about Dreamers, another nobody responded on Twitter and you want to draw broad conclusions about solidarity across racial lines based on the meaningless comments of these nobodies? I think you're dumb.

Such a dangerous mentality to believe someone who is influential in the online black community with 213 thousand followers doesn’t have an impact. This is how propaganda spreads and how we continue to make more enemies.

Oh and I don’t talk politics on Facebook.

Any other desperate jabs?

ddc7 01-31-2018 02:37 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by JavierHTx (Post 684475)
It’s no surprise Trump won the election when the majority of American people are dumb as rocks.


That's why I think it's important to control the narrative. There's people that are lumping dreamers/daca recipients with ALL Hispanics.

Kaisaurus 01-31-2018 07:06 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by JavierHTx (Post 684478)
Such a dangerous mentality to believe someone who is influential in the online black community with 213 thousand followers doesn’t have an impact. This is how propaganda spreads and how we continue to make more enemies.

Oh and I don’t talk politics on Facebook.

Any other desperate jabs?

Are you aware of who Tariq is and his so called influence? How is he an activist? what positive change has he brought to the black community when he leaves out lgbtq and black women? I'm honestly curious as to what I have missed about this man other than him being a scammer, misogynist and homophobe wrapped in the guise of black liberation.

If you think impact is determined by the amount of followers you have on social media then I should tell you that I'm an African Princess and if you just send me a check for $5000 I'll send you my family's treasure worth $5,000, 000,000. How about it?

JavierHTx 02-01-2018 01:33 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Kaisaurus (Post 684671)
Are you aware of who Tariq is and his so called influence? How is he an activist? what positive change has he brought to the black community when he leaves out lgbtq and black women? I'm honestly curious as to what I have missed about this man other than him being a scammer, misogynist and homophobe wrapped in the guise of black liberation.

If you think impact is determined by the amount of followers you have on social media then I should tell you that I'm an African Princess and if you just send me a check for $5000 I'll send you my family's treasure worth $5,000, 000,000. How about it?

Did you stretch before that reach?

2MoreYears 02-01-2018 01:37 PM

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lol good ol scam letters.

Not.


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