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jaylove16 02-06-2018 06:08 PM
GOP senators turning Trump immigration framework into legislation
 
A group of GOP senators is working to translate President Trump's immigration framework into legislation as the chamber barrels toward a floor fight with no deal in sight.

Sen. John Cornyn (R-Texas) said Republican senators — led by Sen. Chuck Grassley (Iowa), the chairman of the Judiciary Committee — are working to write a bill based on the White House's proposal.

"That's what the discussion is," Cornyn told The Hill after a meeting with Grassley and other GOP senators, including Sens. David Perdue (Ga.) and James Lankford (Okla.), when asked if they were drafting legislation.
Cornyn didn't specifically rule out changes to the framework as the senators create the legislation, but said they aren't going to "negotiate against ourselves.

Lankford appeared to signal that he had talked with Democrats as the immigration proposal is being drafted.

"I've had all kinds of conversations with Democrats saying, what changes would you need," he said.

But Lankford added that both sides are digging in, rather than trying to close the gap.
http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/3...to-legislation

BeansDreamtoo21 02-06-2018 06:10 PM
Re: GOP senators turning Trump immigration framework into legislation
 
It better include all dreamers!!

Gnome 02-06-2018 06:23 PM
Re: GOP senators turning Trump immigration framework into legislation
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by BeansDreamtoo21 (Post 686695)
It better include all dreamers!!
We hope so. But even our inclusion in any relief is questionable. We can't get it all.

fl_dreamer 02-06-2018 06:24 PM
Re: GOP senators turning Trump immigration framework into legislation
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by BeansDreamtoo21 (Post 686695)
It better include all dreamers!!
You are starting to sound like DA_User / DA_IR (whatever his username is).

We get it you missed the entry date. While I hope everyone is covered, older dreamers deserve it more.

CUSenior 02-06-2018 06:32 PM
Re: GOP senators turning Trump immigration framework into legislation
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by BeansDreamtoo21 (Post 686695)
It better include all dreamers!!
Maybe in the final legislation. But fat chance of it being in the Republican legislation.

BeansDreamtoo21 02-06-2018 06:33 PM
Re: GOP senators turning Trump immigration framework into legislation
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by fl_dreamer (Post 686698)
You are starting to sound like DA_User / DA_IR (whatever his username is).

We get it you missed the entry date. While I hope everyone is covered, older dreamers deserve it more.
Isn't about who deserves it more or who doesn't deserve it. It's about democrats at the very least negotiate all dreamers for whatever trump is asking. After this bill passes it will be extremely difficult for left out dreamers to fix their status.

UnknownUser 02-06-2018 06:34 PM
Re: GOP senators turning Trump immigration framework into legislation
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by fl_dreamer (Post 686698)
You are starting to sound like DA_User / DA_IR (whatever his username is).

We get it you missed the entry date. While I hope everyone is covered, older dreamers deserve it more.
Definitely the ones that have been pushing this for years and never got a chance to apply for DACA

IbelieveIcanFly 02-06-2018 06:39 PM
Re: GOP senators turning Trump immigration framework into legislation
 
It ain't matter if Democrats cede their leverage by agreeing to a two year budget without DACA.
1) Republican will stuff everything they want into this "immigration bill" for a "fair debate" knowing full well that nothing will pass without their sign off
2) Democrats will find it too hard to swallow so either a few of them defect or they will filibuster the bill

Rs will be happy because they can blame Ds for obstructing a DACA solution - minimize headline damage for them
Ds will be happy because they can carry this into 2018 midterm and use this as a talking point indefinitely

Win-win for everybody. See you in 2020.

Swim19 02-06-2018 06:49 PM
Re: GOP senators turning Trump immigration framework into legislation
 
@chapdpergram
Durbin/Hoyer/Cornyn now mtg in McCarthy’s office. DACA on the agenda.

Bipartisan large Senate Group now mtg on immigration.

WH CoS Kelly & DHS Sec Nielsen now in immigration/DACA mtg w/McCarthy, Hoyer, Cornyn, Durbin


Oh boy!

libertarian1776 02-06-2018 06:50 PM
Re: GOP senators turning Trump immigration framework into legislation
 
oh boy what? is this a good thing, swim?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Swim19 (Post 686712)
@chapdpergram
Durbin/Hoyer/Cornyn now mtg in McCarthy’s office. DACA on the agenda.

Bipartisan large Senate Group now mtg on immigration.

WH CoS Kelly & DHS Sec Nielsen now in immigration/DACA mtg w/McCarthy, Hoyer, Cornyn, Durbin


Oh boy!

BeansDreamtoo21 02-06-2018 06:50 PM
Re: GOP senators turning Trump immigration framework into legislation
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Swim19 (Post 686712)
@chapdpergram
Durbin/Hoyer/Cornyn now mtg in McCarthy’s office. DACA on the agenda.

Bipartisan large Senate Group now mtg on immigration.

WH CoS Kelly & DHS Sec Nielsen now in immigration/DACA mtg w/McCarthy, Hoyer, Cornyn, Durbin


Oh boy!
Fuck yeah if Durbin is there we are safe

Swim19 02-06-2018 06:54 PM
Re: GOP senators turning Trump immigration framework into legislation
 
And on the house side:

@MEPFuller
Quote:
Rep. Luis Gutierrez says if Pelosi asked for Democrats to support a caps deal without a DACA agreement, that would be “a complete betrayal.”

He says he might not ever go to another Democratic Caucus breakfast if that were the case.
Quote:
The bases of both parties are already opposing this deal and the deal hasn’t even been made yet.
Quote:
Dem leaders are all huddled around Pelosi right now — Hoyer, Crowley, Ray Lujan, and about 8 aides.

A key moment for Democrats. This deal could define them for a while.
Quote:
Nita Lowey, the ranking Dem on Appropriations, looks less than impressed with the deal.

She’s talking with Pelosi.

ceaguila 02-06-2018 06:54 PM
Re: GOP senators turning Trump immigration framework into legislation
 
There is a BIG chasm among House. Democrats who will balk on a spending caps deal. unless there is something on DACA. Big question is how many Dems GOP needs Pelosi to deliver to get caps accord & vote to fund the gov’t. Am told that balance is “delicate.”

@ChadPergram

freshh. 02-06-2018 06:57 PM
Re: GOP senators turning Trump immigration framework into legislation
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Swim19 (Post 686716)
And on the house side:

@MEPFuller
I am truly convinced that there are only two people in the U.S. Congress that are doing this because they genuinely want to help us: Gutierrez and Durbin.

CUSenior 02-06-2018 06:59 PM
Re: GOP senators turning Trump immigration framework into legislation
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by BeansDreamtoo21 (Post 686715)
Fuck yeah if Durbin is there we are safe
That was a given since this is the gang of 4 number 2s in Congress. I’m not optimistic about the meeting. Theyll come out of the meeting in agreement to have more meetings (like they have with every other meeting).

libertarian1776 02-06-2018 07:00 PM
Re: GOP senators turning Trump immigration framework into legislation
 
how you feeling, young buck? do u think we will be okay?

Quote:
Originally Posted by CUSenior (Post 686724)
That was a given since this is the gang of 4 number 2s in Congress. I’m not optimistic about the meeting. Theyll come out of the meeting in agreement to have more meetings (like they have with every other meeting).

Pianoswithoutfaith 02-06-2018 07:05 PM
Re: GOP senators turning Trump immigration framework into legislation
 
Oh boy here we go again

jaylove16 02-06-2018 07:06 PM
Re: GOP senators turning Trump immigration framework into legislation
 
The dealmakers group still struggling with question of whether parents of Dreamers could be sponsored by their newly legalized children, senators say

Via seung min Kim

libertarian1776 02-06-2018 07:07 PM
Re: GOP senators turning Trump immigration framework into legislation
 
our parents should be included for all the other concessions we are giving!

im dead srs. i miss my fam!

Quote:
Originally Posted by jaylove16 (Post 686731)
The dealmakers group still struggling with question of whether parents of Dreamers could be sponsored by their newly legalized children, senators say

Via seung min Kim

jorgeag92 02-06-2018 07:07 PM
Re: GOP senators turning Trump immigration framework into legislation
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by CUSenior (Post 686724)
That was a given since this is the gang of 4 number 2s in Congress. I’m not optimistic about the meeting. Theyll come out of the meeting in agreement to have more meetings (like they have with every other meeting).
I was about to write the same thing. Makes me wonder what they do in those meetings if they never produce anything useful. Maybe they just enjoy having free coffee and cookies while getting paid.

CUSenior 02-06-2018 07:09 PM
Re: GOP senators turning Trump immigration framework into legislation
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by libertarian1776 (Post 686725)
how you feeling, young buck? do u think we will be okay?
https://youtu.be/jnv9AOdUv6g

I’m sick at the moment so I have way too much time on my hands. Today was quite a news day.

Alfredo93 02-06-2018 07:13 PM
Re: GOP senators turning Trump immigration framework into legislation
 
DACA recipients+ ones who qualify will no question be in on this. Not so sure about older dreamers.

I feel like Trump may drop Chain migration and adress it with CIR.

2Face 02-06-2018 07:14 PM
Re: GOP senators turning Trump immigration framework into legislation
 
If the Democrats don't want to play ball...fuck all of them. I am 100% for Trump's framework. I don't care what the fuck it has as long as it legalizes Dreamers. And the GOP better not short change us..anything that doesn't include FULL PERMANENT LEGALIZATION for Dreamers is a non-starter. Cornyn and Grassley better get this through their thick old heads.

tf2legend 02-06-2018 07:15 PM
Re: GOP senators turning Trump immigration framework into legislation
 
Trumps proposal is a way better starting point than Goodlatte's bill. Make some changes to it and pass it!!

JayR9 02-06-2018 07:17 PM
Re: GOP senators turning Trump immigration framework into legislation
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jorgeag92 (Post 686734)
I was about to write the same thing. Makes me wonder what they do in those meetings if they never produce anything useful. Maybe they just enjoy having free coffee and cookies while getting paid.
The best job ever. You get paid MILLIES to keep the status quo.

jaylove16 02-06-2018 07:18 PM
Re: GOP senators turning Trump immigration framework into legislation
 
Seung Min Kim


Seung Min Kim
Seung Min Kim
@seungminkim
.@LindseyGrahamSC mood update: “I felt really bad yesterday. I feel better today”


@seungminkim
More from @LindseyGrahamSC “I think we’ve got a way forward that seems to be fair to everybody ...”

tf2legend 02-06-2018 07:21 PM
Re: GOP senators turning Trump immigration framework into legislation
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jaylove16 (Post 686750)
Seung Min Kim


Seung Min Kim
Seung Min Kim
@seungminkim
.@LindseyGrahamSC mood update: “I felt really bad yesterday. I feel better today”


@seungminkim
More from @LindseyGrahamSC “I think we’ve got a way forward that seems to be fair to everybody ...”
Get it done!!

CUSenior 02-06-2018 07:22 PM
Re: GOP senators turning Trump immigration framework into legislation
 
Seung Min Kim
Seung Min Kim
@seungminkim
The dealmakers group still struggling with question of whether parents of Dreamers could be sponsored by their newly legalized children, senators say




My opinion:
How about they just end family sponsorship for permanent residents as a down payment for chain migration?

Alfredo93 02-06-2018 07:33 PM
Re: GOP senators turning Trump immigration framework into legislation
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by CUSenior (Post 686753)
My opinion:
How about they just end family sponsorship for permanent residents as a down payment for chain migration?
Thats a better idea. Ending rights for citizens is much more messier. I would add sponsored parents wont be able to become citizens, therefore cant sponsor anybody else.

Swim19 02-06-2018 07:40 PM
Re: GOP senators turning Trump immigration framework into legislation
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Alfredo93 (Post 686760)
Thats a better idea. Ending rights for citizens is much more messier. I would add sponsored parents wont be able to become citizens, therefore cant sponsor anybody else.
Isn't this basically what the Durbin/Graham did? 3 year renewable work visas for parents with no path to citizenship, no one in the family can sponsor parent.

JayR9 02-06-2018 07:44 PM
Re: GOP senators turning Trump immigration framework into legislation
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Swim19 (Post 686766)
Isn't this basically what the Durbin/Graham did? 3 year renewable work visas for parents with no path to citizenship, no one in the family can sponsor parent.
Durbin/Graham bill no USC can sponsor undocumented parents?

CUSenior 02-06-2018 07:46 PM
Re: GOP senators turning Trump immigration framework into legislation
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Swim19 (Post 686766)
Isn't this basically what the Durbin/Graham did? 3 year renewable work visas for parents with no path to citizenship, no one in the family can sponsor parent.
Though the permanent resident thing might work better. Trump was disgusted by the idea of giving parents any form of “amnesty”. This provision will allow Congress to work on ending family based immigration in the next 5 years before Dreamers get citizenship.

JJ Glo 02-06-2018 07:46 PM
Re: GOP senators turning Trump immigration framework into legislation
 
End sponsorship for Legal Residents, leave it as an option for US citizens only.

ECW 02-06-2018 07:52 PM
Re: GOP senators turning Trump immigration framework into legislation
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jaylove16 (Post 686750)
Seung Min Kim


Seung Min Kim
Seung Min Kim
@seungminkim
.@LindseyGrahamSC mood update: “I felt really bad yesterday. I feel better today”


@seungminkim
More from @LindseyGrahamSC “I think we’ve got a way forward that seems to be fair to everybody ...”
How updated is this? Because this was Graham today:
Quote:
"I'm becoming increasingly pessimistic about immigration," Graham said. "I don't think we're going to do a whole lot beyond something like the BRIDGE Act, which would be extend DACA for a year or two, and some border security. It's just too many moving parts."
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn...ham/index.html

freshh. 02-06-2018 08:05 PM
Re: GOP senators turning Trump immigration framework into legislation
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ECW (Post 686780)
How updated is this? Because this was Graham today:


https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn...ham/index.html
I believe Seungmin is the most up to date. These quotes from Graham are from 2 hours ago.

Busybee 02-06-2018 08:08 PM
Re: GOP senators turning Trump immigration framework into legislation
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by JJ Glo (Post 686777)
End sponsorship for Legal Residents, leave it as an option for US citizens only.
This is actually a good idea, to limit sponsorship only for USC's.

Swim19 02-06-2018 08:12 PM
Re: GOP senators turning Trump immigration framework into legislation
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by JayR9 (Post 686773)
Durbin/Graham bill no USC can sponsor undocumented parents?
Only if one of their siblings is a beneficiary of the bill. So if you have USC brother or sister and you get legal through the bill, they cannot sponsor your parents.

Quote:
Originally Posted by CUSenior (Post 686776)
Though the permanent resident thing might work better. Trump was disgusted by the idea of giving parents any form of “amnesty”. This provision will allow Congress to work on ending family based immigration in the next 5 years before Dreamers get citizenship.
The problem is there is no permanent residency that doesn't lead to citizenship. And how would giving permanent residencey not be 'amnesty'?

jorgeag92 02-06-2018 08:22 PM
Re: GOP senators turning Trump immigration framework into legislation
 
My opinion is that they should limit sponsorship to U.S born citizens. All U.S citizens who acquired citizenship through naturalization would be limited to providing family with temporary permits or nothing at all. I think this would satisfy both sides.

NotADreamerPerSe 02-06-2018 08:39 PM
Re: GOP senators turning Trump immigration framework into legislation
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jorgeag92 (Post 686792)
My opinion is that they should limit sponsorship to U.S born citizens. All U.S citizens who acquired citizenship through naturalization would be limited to providing family with temporary permits or nothing at all. I think this would satisfy both sides.
No? that's creating a second class of citizens. A citizen should have the rights of a citizen.
What's next? naturalized citizens shouldn't be able to vote? Let's not go down that road.

UnknownUser 02-06-2018 08:42 PM
Re: GOP senators turning Trump immigration framework into legislation
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jorgeag92 (Post 686792)
My opinion is that they should limit sponsorship to U.S born citizens. All U.S citizens who acquired citizenship through naturalization would be limited to providing family with temporary permits or nothing at all. I think this would satisfy both sides.
That’s a bad opinion. If you’re a citizen then you’re a citizen, regardless if you were born here or are naturalized.


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