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IbelieveIcanFly 02-09-2018 01:27 PM

Democrats see no leverage left to push DACA fix with budget deal done
 
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/de...rticle/2648633
Democrats say they have little leverage left to pressure Republicans to call up a bill addressing the legal status of Dreamers now that Congress has passed a budget deal that boosted defense and domestic spending caps, and lifted the debt ceiling for a year.

The budget agreement set spending levels for the next two years, and it passed as part of a short-term spending bill that included billions in disaster relief with 73 Democrats joining most Republicans in support of the measure. The Democrats who opposed the deal because it didn’t include a fix for the 800,000 recipients of the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals program now have little hope that legislation will be passed by the March 5 deadline imposed by Trump, if at all.


Trump was breaking ground on immigration, then it all went to "shit"
Rep. Luis Gutierrez, D-Ill., told reporters Friday morning that Democrats now have zero leverage on immigration. He noted that the three leverage points Democrats laid out months ago are all gone. Budget caps, the debt ceiling, and disaster aid, Gutierrez said, were all included in the bill that passed early Friday.

Gutierrez scoffed when asked if the omnibus spending bill, which will be voted on next month and is needed to implement the budget agreement, could be a pressure point.

“Really?” Gutierrez quipped. “Is it realistic? Can you continue to threaten with something?”


Gutierrez said that would mean members who voted "yes" on the deal authorizing the higher spending caps, debt ceiling increase, and disaster relief would have to turn around and vote against the actual money a month later. Once Congress passes sweeping deals on spending caps, outlining critical funds for health centers and states and territories hit by devastating natural disasters, it’s practically a done deal that the final appropriations bills detailing where the money will go will pass with little fanfare.

Democrats could in theory hold out next month, but those who voted yes Friday morning were blue dogs dealing with towns hit by the opioid epidemic, or from districts in dire need of disaster aid, and they have little reason to change their vote. Immigration advocates and progressives have targeted Democrats in swing districts, and any who have voted to keep the government funded but it’s unlikely those members will cave.

That reality wasn’t lost on Rep. Ruben Gallego D-Ariz., who shouted to his colleagues on the House floor, “No” with a raised thumbs down in the final moments of the vote.

“We have to be realistic, if this passes and there’s no guarantee of a Dream Act vote, then we’re going to have to deal with the reality that we have to find whatever means possible to put pressure on Speaker Ryan and the Republican Party to bring a fair vote on the Dream Act to the floor,” Gallego told reporters ahead of the vote.

Ryan didn’t give the commitment Gallego was looking for when the speaker repeated his promise that the House “will solve this DACA problem.”

Democrats want Ryan to commit to a “Queen of the Hill” approach, which means the majority would allow multiple immigration proposals on the floor for consideration and let the House work its will. The legislation that gets the most votes would be the one adopted. Ryan made no such promise despite calls from Democratic leaders in the lead up to budget vote.

“This was the last leverage point,” Rep. Raja Krishnamoorthi, D-Ill., said of the budget deal as he left the chamber, adding that Ryan’s assurance on the floor to work on immigration was “an incomplete pledge.”

Krishnamoorthi said the ability to pass a DACA fix, which would be packaged with a substantial increase in border security funding, depends on the Democratic base.

“March 5 is coming up really fast,” he said. “I’m not hearing enough in the way of the president saying we’re going to delay this deadline. He’s leaving that very open, which to me means he want to leave them exposed and in jeopardy.”

When asked what leverage remained, Democratic Caucus Chairman Joe Crowley, exhausted after a day that dragged into the early morning hours on Friday, said the fate of Dreamers now rests on public opinion.

“Well, I think we have the moral 'suasion of the American people,” said Crowley, D-N.Y. “I think it’s moral ‘suasion at this point. Speaker said that we'll move on something, I don't know what that is."

But Crowley didn’t believe Ryan. "I have no reason to base any belief that it will happen, no," he said.

Rep. Raul Grijalva’s expressed disappointment that 73 Democrats voted in favor of the budget, but held onto more hope than his colleagues that a deal providing a pathway to citizenship for DACA recipients could be reached.


“We still have the most important leverage points, and that’s the humanity of this issue,” Grijalva said. “Instead of worrying about what legislative angle we have let’s now concentrate on making this a campaign that is both political and zeroed in on Ryan.”

Polling shows that an overwhelming majority of Americans support permanent legal protections for young undocumented immigrants. Nearly nine in 10, or 87 percent, believe DACA recipients should be allowed to stay in the U.S., according to a recent CBS survey.

That sentiment is why Rep. John Yarmuth D-Ky., who voted in favor of the deal, sees an opening for Democrats to hammer Republicans on the issue if they don’t follow through.

“The leverage is that if we don’t do anything then there are going to be people deported and they’re going to be on television every night,” Yarmuth said, “and there’s a midterm election coming.”



Humanity huh... We had public opinion on our side for as long as I can remember and that didn't accomplish much for us. At the end of the day, we are betting on Trump's big heart. Let's pray that it is big enough for us.

2MoreYears 02-09-2018 01:39 PM

Re: Democrats see no leverage left to push DACA fix with budget deal done
 
No problem! Republicans are our friends.

Mitch, Paul and Trump FTW!!

Alfredo93 02-09-2018 01:42 PM

Re: Democrats see no leverage left to push DACA fix with budget deal done
 
The leverage is the damn wall Trump so badly wants.

davidrellis 02-09-2018 01:45 PM

Re: Democrats see no leverage left to push DACA fix with budget deal done
 
Fuck Crowley and Yarmuth

PhelonOne87 02-09-2018 01:46 PM

Re: Democrats see no leverage left to push DACA fix with budget deal done
 
We don’t need leverage anymore, even when we did it was useless . Now we just have to hope that the idiot democrats come to a compromise based on the pillars but with their input to not make it so aggressive.

Sorrybrah 02-09-2018 01:50 PM

Re: Democrats see no leverage left to push DACA fix with budget deal done
 
Lol no such thing as a leverage with these Democrats

ayran123 02-09-2018 01:54 PM

Re: Democrats see no leverage left to push DACA fix with budget deal done
 
Democrats fucked up. Its not about leverage anymore. Theres four pillars, just agree to it and trump will push republicans to eat it up and pass it. If democrats would say they support the four pillars lets move with it, not even turtle or ryan can stop crazy trump pushing for immigration reform.
The ball is partially in democrats court to compromise. They keep saying we are having good discussions, we have no leverage, etc. Then the fuck are you guys holding up things partially for?

Smooth 02-09-2018 02:01 PM

Re: Democrats see no leverage left to push DACA fix with budget deal done
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ayran123 (Post 687902)
Democrats fucked up. Its not about leverage anymore. Theres four pillars, just agree to it and trump will push republicans to eat it up and pass it. If democrats would say they support the four pillars lets move with it, not even turtle or ryan can stop crazy trump pushing for immigration reform.
The ball is partially in democrats court to compromise. They keep saying we are having good discussions, we have no leverage, etc. Then the fuck are you guys holding up things partially for?

This.

Busybee 02-09-2018 02:11 PM

Re: Democrats see no leverage left to push DACA fix with budget deal done
 
The thing is Democrats won't agree to overhaul the entire immigration system just for us, Trump should do what he said during the televised meeting; maybe get two of his pillars in exchange for legalizing dreamers, and then leave the other two for when CIR comes. If they try to change EVERYTHING for us, I highly doubt something will pass. The solution is to keep the daca negotiations as narrow as possible. Immigration is a tough subject to debate, the wall and increased border security is the most that I see democrats willing to compromise for us.

eRkah 02-09-2018 02:29 PM

Re: Democrats see no leverage left to push DACA fix with budget deal done
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Busybee (Post 687908)
The thing is Democrats won't agree to overhaul the entire immigration system just for us,

everyone knows at this point democrats have no spine, but they really shouldn't agree to the entire trump/republican plan. as surprising as it may be to many here, dreamers are not the only ones that deserve relief

IbelieveIcanFly 02-09-2018 02:30 PM

Re: Democrats see no leverage left to push DACA fix with budget deal done
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ayran123 (Post 687902)
Democrats fucked up. Its not about leverage anymore. Theres four pillars, just agree to it and trump will push republicans to eat it up and pass it. If democrats would say they support the four pillars lets move with it, not even turtle or ryan can stop crazy trump pushing for immigration reform.
The ball is partially in democrats court to compromise. They keep saying we are having good discussions, we have no leverage, etc. Then the fuck are you guys holding up things partially for?

At this point I hope that Democrats keep their pathetic caving habits going. This means that they will cave to Trump again LOL

PhelonOne87 02-09-2018 02:31 PM

Re: Democrats see no leverage left to push DACA fix with budget deal done
 
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Originally Posted by IbelieveIcanFly (Post 687917)
At this point I hope that Democrats keep their pathetic caving habits going. This means that they will cave to Trump again LOL

Lmaooooooo

Elastic228 02-09-2018 02:33 PM

Re: Democrats see no leverage left to push DACA fix with budget deal done
 
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Originally Posted by eRkah (Post 687916)
everyone knows at this point democrats have no spine, but they really shouldn't agree to the entire trump/republican plan. as surprising as it may be to many here, dreamers are not the only ones that deserve relief

What are you talking about?? 600k-700k lives at risk through no fault of their own. And, if you wait for everyone to get a relief, no one will be left in this country. So, STFU. Understand the situation before you post anything.

isk84life 02-09-2018 03:01 PM

Re: Democrats see no leverage left to push DACA fix with budget deal done
 
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Originally Posted by Elastic228 (Post 687920)
What are you talking about?? 600k-700k lives at risk through no fault of their own. And, if you wait for everyone to get a relief, no one will be left in this country. So, STFU. Understand the situation before you post anything.

You both have a point but do you really think all 11 million people can be deported? That would devastate the economy. There is only a fraction of workers you can take away before the economy nosedives. Also, ICE cannon achieve that goal even in their wildest dreams lol. They cant even recruit more agents.

NotADreamerPerSe 02-09-2018 03:17 PM

Re: Democrats see no leverage left to push DACA fix with budget deal done
 
The leverage is humanity? Wtf is that? They had real leverage to make something happen and they just folded like napkins.

I wish Republicans were the ones calling for relief. This shit would have been over months ago.

Fuck the Democrats and their higher ground. We are now at the mercy of the Republicans and we know how they feel about us. Renew your permits and use the next two years to plan the rest of your lives.

Elastic228 02-09-2018 03:30 PM

Re: Democrats see no leverage left to push DACA fix with budget deal done
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by isk84life (Post 687925)
You both have a point but do you really think all 11 million people can be deported? That would devastate the economy. There is only a fraction of workers you can take away before the economy nosedives. Also, ICE cannon achieve that goal even in their wildest dreams lol. They cant even recruit more agents.

You seem like a educated person. Lets take it back 2 years ago. About 600k-700k young men and women making the best of an opportunity and leading in every field. Did we think we would be in a position we're in today? one month left to daca and all this uncertainty.

We shouldn't underestimate the opponents and try to hit a home run when we could hit a single and stay in the game. Meaning get relief for dreamers and then fight for rest with a stronger force.

isk84life 02-09-2018 03:34 PM

Re: Democrats see no leverage left to push DACA fix with budget deal done
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Elastic228 (Post 687938)
You seem like a educated person. Lets take it back 2 years ago. About 600k-700k young men and women making the best of an opportunity and leading in every field. Did we think we would be in a position we're in today? one month left to daca and all this uncertainty.

We shouldn't underestimate the opponents and try to hit a home run when we could hit a single and stay in the game. Meaning get relief for dreamers and then fight for rest with a stronger force.

I’m not negotiating with anyone. I was just adding pints to the conversation. My personal take on this? Congress will be congress and they will kick the can down the road 2 or 3 more years. What matters is what they put in DACA... it would be a major victory if Dems manage to get us unrestricted travel. Most would clear EWI and adjust through other means.

Swim19 02-09-2018 03:37 PM

Re: Democrats see no leverage left to push DACA fix with budget deal done
 
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Originally Posted by isk84life (Post 687939)
I’m not negotiating with anyone. I was just adding pints to the conversation. My personal take on this? Congress will be congress and they will kick the can down the road 2 or 3 more years. What matters is what they put in DACA... it would be a major victory if Dems manage to get us unrestricted travel. Most would clear EWI and adjust through other means.

This why I doubt we'll get travel with a DACA extension.

IbelieveIcanFly 02-09-2018 03:45 PM

Re: Democrats see no leverage left to push DACA fix with budget deal done
 
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Originally Posted by Swim19 (Post 687941)
This why I doubt we'll get travel with a DACA extension.

Work permit and travel - that's all I need. I can care less about USC.

justjohnjustice1988 02-09-2018 03:56 PM

Re: Democrats see no leverage left to push DACA fix with budget deal done
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Busybee (Post 687908)
The thing is Democrats won't agree to overhaul the entire immigration system just for us, Trump should do what he said during the televised meeting; maybe get two of his pillars in exchange for legalizing dreamers, and then leave the other two for when CIR comes. If they try to change EVERYTHING for us, I highly doubt something will pass. The solution is to keep the daca negotiations as narrow as possible. Immigration is a tough subject to debate, the wall and increased border security is the most that I see democrats willing to compromise for us.

Why can't they give the Diversity Visa Lottery? I don't see the point of it. It doesn't really "diversify " anything.

DACA fix (pathway to conditional permanent renewable status) +some "wall funding"/border security+Visa Lottery elimination= A very moderate approach which would easily pass both houses and even get White House blessing

I'm always amazed when all these people say that the DACA fix/immigration reform is hard. It's not HARD, it's just the left and right of both political parties that aren't willing to compromise or give in anything.

I'm an Independent now after all this mess.

Both parties are becoming including extreme and held hostage to unrealistic partisan policy points

Copper 02-09-2018 04:31 PM

Re: Democrats see no leverage left to push DACA fix with budget deal done
 
This was all in their master plan to play a long and pretend to care, never find a real fix, and then see us get deported little by little so they can call Republicans the bad guy and then ask for sympathy votes so they can take over Congress and “help” us.

IbelieveIcanFly 02-09-2018 04:47 PM

Re: Democrats see no leverage left to push DACA fix with budget deal done
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Copper (Post 687956)
This was all in their master plan to play a long and pretend to care, never find a real fix, and then see us get deported little by little so they can call Republicans the bad guy and then ask for sympathy votes so they can take over Congress and “help” us.

If i'm a heartless democrat i would say that this is a great strategy. :-|

ladreamer1998 02-09-2018 04:51 PM

Re: Democrats see no leverage left to push DACA fix with budget deal done
 
At this point we just have to see what happens next week in the Senate and hope something comes out of it.

Rogue414 02-09-2018 06:09 PM

Re: Democrats see no leverage left to push DACA fix with budget deal done
 
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Originally Posted by ladreamer1998 (Post 687962)
At this point we just have to see what happens next week in the Senate and hope something comes out of it.

more than likely nothing will happen. March 5th is when things will get real.


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