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bigdreamer2010 02-14-2018 01:12 PM

Trump Threatens to Veto Immigration Bills that Don’t Meet His Demands
 
[quote]WASHINGTON — President Trump on Wednesday called on lawmakers to oppose a series of bipartisan efforts to address immigration and resolve the fate of the so-called “Dreamers,” demanding fealty to his hard-line approach and increasing the odds of political gridlock as the Senate debates the issue.

Senators in both parties are racing against a self-imposed, end-of-the-week deadline to write legislation that could win broad support by increasing border security while at the same time offering a path to citizenship for immigrants brought to the United States as children.

But in a morning statement, Mr. Trump urged senators to oppose any bill that did not also embrace the “four pillars” of his immigration approach, which includes a rewrite of the nation’s immigration laws that would close the country’s borders to many immigrants trying to come to the United States legally.


“I am asking all senators, in both parties, to support the Grassley bill and to oppose any legislation that fails to fulfill these four pillars,” Mr. Trump said in the statement.

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The president’s decision to weigh in forcefully is likely to undermine the efforts of several bipartisan groups in the Senate and the House by calling into question whether any legislation they come up with might be dead-on-arrival once they make it to the president’s desk.

Instead, Mr. Trump said in the statement that lawmakers should support immigration legislation drafted by Senator Charles E. Grassley, Republican of Iowa, to codify his own plan. The bill would provide a path to citizenship for 1.8 million young immigrants, end the visa lottery program, build a border wall and end what he calls “chain migration,” which is family-based immigration.


“The overwhelming majority of American voters support a plan that fulfills the Framework’s four pillars, which move us towards the safe, modern, and lawful immigration system our people deserve,” Mr. Trump said.

He added that he would oppose a smaller, “Band-aid” approach to immigration that some lawmakers have been discussing, which would protect Dreamers for a few years in exchange for a small increase in border security spending — essentially kicking the issue down the road.

Senator Chuck Schumer of New York, the Democratic leader, responded harshly to the president’s entreaty.

“The American people know what’s going on,” Mr. Schumer said on the Senate floor. “They know this president not only created the problem, but seems to be against every solution that might pass because it isn’t 100 percent of what he wants. If, at the end of the week, we are unable to find a bill that can pass — and I sincerely hope that’s not the case due to the good efforts of so many people on both sides of the aisle — the responsibility will fall entirely on the president’s shoulders and those in this body who went along with him.”


Mr. Trump’s statement was a victory for conservatives in his administration, including Stephen Miller, his top domestic policy adviser, who have been pushing the president to demand an overhaul of the nation’s immigration rules in exchange for his support of a permanent solution for the Dreamers.

The top Republicans in both the House and Senate praised the president’s statement, describing it as a boost for the approach that many of their more conservative members support.

“The president has made clear what principles must be addressed if we are going to make a law instead of merely making political points,” Senator Mitch McConnell of Kentucky, the Republican leader, said Wednesday morning.

Speaker Paul D. Ryan of Wisconsin echoed that sentiment, saying that “the president did a very good job of putting a very sincere offer on the table. And that sincere offer that he put on the table should be the framework through which we come together to find a solution.”

While the president’s support of the Iowa Republican’s bill is not surprising, his vague promise not to support other bills is notable, as Mr. Trump told lawmakers last month that he would sign any immigration bill that Congress sends him. Republican leaders have said Congress should only pass legislation that Mr. Trump would sign, but how flexible the president would be was a key question for lawmakers.

The president’s answer to that question came as one of the bipartisan coalitions in the Senate closed in on a deal that the members believe would get 60 votes, setting up a clash between a large number of members from both parties and the Republican leadership, led by Mr. Trump.


Senator Lindsey Graham, Republican of South Carolina, said there is “growing consensus” around a two-pronged approach, in which protections would be extended for roughly 1.8 million undocumented immigrants brought as children, in exchange for the full $25 billion for the president’s proposed border wall. He said addressing other proposals has become “politically toxic,” ever since a White House immigration meeting where Mr. Trump referred to African nations as “shithole countries.”

Asked about Mr. Trump’s veto threat, Mr. Graham said, “Well, then, we won’t go very far. Then you’ll have three presidents who failed. You’ll have Obama, Bush and Trump.”

The White House position was announced as the Senate began debate on immigration, which allows senators to build legislation from a blank slate on the Senate floor.

Other proposals with bipartisan support on Capitol Hill take a narrower approach than Mr. Grassley, extending protections for young immigrants brought to the country illegally as children and bolstering border security. But those bills do not include the tough changes to immigration law that Mr. Trump backs — and most Democrats strongly oppose.

The statement is likely to make deliberations on Capitol Hill far harder. The president ended an Obama-era program protecting young, undocumented immigrants, known as DACA, or Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals, but gave Congress six months to find a legislative alternative. That deadline is now three weeks away.

The Grassley bill includes several measures to increase border security, including increasing the use of radar and tower-based surveillance, sensors and drones mostly along the Southwest border and increasing the number of border patrol agents. The National Guard would also be used to help constructs border fencing and operate some of the surveillance equipment [\QUOTE]

I’m really interested in what the DACA republicans have to say. .

versailles 02-14-2018 01:17 PM

Re: Trump Threatens to Veto Immigration Bills that Don’t Meet His Demands
 
lol, at crying cuck schumer.
this dude was the one that flat out blocked a vote on a bill.

bigdreamer2010 02-14-2018 01:24 PM

Re: Trump Threatens to Veto Immigration Bills that Don’t Meet His Demands
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by versailles (Post 689869)
lol, at crying cuck schumer.
this dude was the one that flat out blocked a vote on a bill.


Here’s a daca republican that doesn’t even know that the “bill” was an amendment to withhold federal dollars from sanicatury cities and that the Grassley bill’s text wasn’t even ready until this morning

versailles 02-14-2018 01:25 PM

Re: Trump Threatens to Veto Immigration Bills that Don’t Meet His Demands
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by bigdreamer2010 (Post 689877)
Here’s a daca republican that doesn’t even know that the “bill” was an amendment to withhold federal dollars from sanicatury cities and that the Grassley bill’s text wasn’t even ready until this morning

im not a republican, don't worry, there's no boogeyman here.
all im saying is that the point of this is to kick-start negotiations, and they got off on the wrong foot by outright denying a vote.

DreamerSD23 02-14-2018 01:26 PM

Re: Trump Threatens to Veto Immigration Bills that Don’t Meet His Demands
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by versailles (Post 689869)
lol, at crying cuck schumer.
this dude was the one that flat out blocked a vote on a bill.

Either you're a troll or massively uninformed.

Your join date is a hint.

versailles 02-14-2018 01:27 PM

Re: Trump Threatens to Veto Immigration Bills that Don’t Meet His Demands
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by DreamerSD23 (Post 689879)
Either you're a troll or massively uninformed.

Your join date is a hint.

"people can't say something i disagree with"
yawn.
maybe germany is more of your kind of place where free speech is threatened?

Copper 02-14-2018 01:27 PM

Re: Trump Threatens to Veto Immigration Bills that Don’t Meet His Demands
 
This is the outcome from Democrats caving. Before, Trump wanted just a slice, now he wants the whole cake since he knows the Democrats are weak!

Alfredo93 02-14-2018 01:35 PM

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I guess we will wait till 2020 then.

bigdreamer2010 02-14-2018 01:36 PM

Re: Trump Threatens to Veto Immigration Bills that Don’t Meet His Demands
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Copper (Post 689881)
This is the outcome from Democrats caving. Before, Trump wanted just a slice, now he wants the whole cake since he knows the Democrats are weak!

Here’s another DACA republican. The United States government has not been fully funded since October 2017. The Democrats prevented agreement on spending caps for 4 months and then withheld their votes and shut down the government of 320 million people for 800k undocumented folks.

We only make up .25% of the population but they still fought us.

But they’re the bad guys. Gotcha

versailles 02-14-2018 01:38 PM

Re: Trump Threatens to Veto Immigration Bills that Don’t Meet His Demands
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by bigdreamer2010 (Post 689886)
Here’s another DACA republican. The United States government has not been fully funded since October 207. The Democrats prevented agreement on spending caps for 4 months and then withheld their votes and shut down the government of 320 million people for 800k undocumented folks.

We only make up .25% of the population but they still fought us.

But they’re the bad guys. Gotcha

holy crap, what lmao??
copper's not a republican, some of you are on some fucking NUT shit.
has the blue kool-aid dosage been upped or something??
stop thinking that any politicians actually care for the good of the people.

libertarian1776 02-14-2018 01:39 PM

Re: Trump Threatens to Veto Immigration Bills that Don’t Meet His Demands
 
Copper is not a Republican.

he never called democrats the bad guys but he gave a dissenting opinion.

i dont get why some of you guys are like this? this is America no? we aint in North Korea.

and who gives af if someone is Democrat or Republican in here? our illegal asses cant vote till 15-20 yrs from now.

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigdreamer2010 (Post 689886)
Here’s another DACA republican. The United States government has not been fully funded since October 2017. The Democrats prevented agreement on spending caps for 4 months and then withheld their votes and shut down the government of 320 million people for 800k undocumented folks.

We only make up .25% of the population but they still fought us.

But they’re the bad guys. Gotcha


bigdreamer2010 02-14-2018 01:46 PM

Re: Trump Threatens to Veto Immigration Bills that Don’t Meet His Demands
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by bigdreamer2010 (Post 689886)
Here’s another DACA republican. The United States government has not been fully funded since October 2017. The Democrats prevented agreement on spending caps for 4 months and then withheld their votes and shut down the government of 320 million people for 800k undocumented folks.

We only make up .25% of the population but they still fought us.

But they’re the bad guys. Gotcha

Quote:

Originally Posted by versailles (Post 689888)
holy crap, what lmao??
copper's not a republican, some of you are on some fucking NUT shit.
has the blue kool-aid dosage been upped or something??
stop thinking that any politicians actually care for the good of the people.

Logic and history seems to escape you.

As I recall, it was a democratic president that enacted DACA a little over 5 years ago.
Republicans in the house voted over and over to remove it
Republican governor tried to prevent DACA recipients from getting drivers licenses
Republican states banned DACA recipients from going to college in their states
Democratic states gave DACA recipients in state tuition
Republican AGs sued and stopped expanded DACA
Republican president rescinded DACA
Democratic AGs sued to preserve DACA
Democratic Senators shut down the US government to get another vote on DACA


It goes on and on and on

tabi 02-14-2018 01:46 PM

Re: Trump Threatens to Veto Immigration Bills that Don’t Meet His Demands
 
Its amazing how trump poisoned this whole thing by moving the goal posts from illegal immigration to legal immigration and you all didn't even bat an eye. No one would have believed dems giving him the wall just a year ago but trump always wants more.

versailles 02-14-2018 01:47 PM

Re: Trump Threatens to Veto Immigration Bills that Don’t Meet His Demands
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by bigdreamer2010 (Post 689892)
Logic and history seems to escape you.

As I recall, it was a democratic president that enacted DACA a little over 5 years ago.
Republicans in the house voted over and over to remove it
Republican governor tried to prevent DACA recipients from getting drivers licenses
Republican states banned DACA recipients from going to college in their states
Democratic states gave DACA recipients in state tuition
Republican AGs sued and stopped expanded DACA
Republican president rescinded DACA
Democratic AGs sued to preserve DACA
Democratic Senators shut down the US government to get another vote on DACA


It goes on and on and on

none of these are arguments on why you think people shouldn't be free to say whatever they want.

bigdreamer2010 02-14-2018 01:48 PM

Re: Trump Threatens to Veto Immigration Bills that Don’t Meet His Demands
 
Lol who are you people?

I miss when this forum had much more logical members. We actually discussed facts, bills, strategies and helped each other. Now we’re flooded with trolls.

versailles 02-14-2018 01:49 PM

Re: Trump Threatens to Veto Immigration Bills that Don’t Meet His Demands
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by bigdreamer2010 (Post 689895)
Lol who are you people?

I miss when this forum had much more logical members. [b]We actually discussed facts, bills, strategies and helped each other. Now we’re flooded with trolls.[b]

AHAHAHAHAHA.
being a partisan that doesn't understand the realities of US politics, is not "Discussing facts and strategies".

bigdreamer2010 02-14-2018 01:51 PM

Re: Trump Threatens to Veto Immigration Bills that Don’t Meet His Demands
 
Mods please close thread

dreamer__13 02-14-2018 01:52 PM

Re: Trump Threatens to Veto Immigration Bills that Don’t Meet His Demands
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by versailles (Post 689896)
AHAHAHAHAHA.
being a partisan that doesn't understand the realities of US politics, is not "Discussing facts and strategies".

Damn. You must like getting banned.

libertarian1776 02-14-2018 01:52 PM

Re: Trump Threatens to Veto Immigration Bills that Don’t Meet His Demands
 
i agree with everything u said but im not gonna attack or call someone a troll bcuz they have a different opinion than me.

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigdreamer2010 (Post 689895)
Lol who are you people?

I miss when this forum had much more logical members. We actually discussed facts, bills, strategies and helped each other. Now we’re flooded with trolls.


versailles 02-14-2018 01:54 PM

Re: Trump Threatens to Veto Immigration Bills that Don’t Meet His Demands
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by dreamer__13 (Post 689898)
Damn. You must like getting banned.

read his latest post, now he's asking mods to close a thread just because people are giving dissenting opinions.
tell me that's not one of the most unamerican things anyone has ever posted.

Carlo 02-14-2018 01:55 PM

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Ah, DAP. A place where I can read a user post and be like, "fuck yeah, we dreamers work hard and need a solution" and after reading another user post I'll be like "yano what, fuck it, we aren't any better than those trying to keep us out and looking out for themselves. We don't deserve it. I'll go work on my plan B."

JJ Glo 02-14-2018 01:58 PM

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With Trump saying that he will veto any bill that doesn't cover the 4 pillars, that pretty much guarantees our demise. If by chance a bill comes out of the Senate that has DACA + Border security, it would never be brought to a vote in the House because Ryan has said, it must be able to become law.

Alfredo93 02-14-2018 02:02 PM

Re: Trump Threatens to Veto Immigration Bills that Don’t Meet His Demands
 
The only thing that sucks about the Grassley bill is the chain migration part.

Beyonder 02-14-2018 02:04 PM

Re: Trump Threatens to Veto Immigration Bills that Don’t Meet His Demands
 
@SenateMajLdr

I'm a little perplexed by this hold-up by the #Senate Democrats on #DACA and Immigration.

Look at this turtle rubbing in to democrats when he only allows a vote on daca for a week.

we've lost leverage and thanks to corporate dems. and yes that includes Durbin

NotADreamerPerSe 02-14-2018 02:05 PM

Re: Trump Threatens to Veto Immigration Bills that Don’t Meet His Demands
 
While y'all are bickering, wasn't the debate supposed to start like an hour ago? What's going on now?

david87 02-14-2018 02:06 PM

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i don't see a deal happening because Trump is demanding too much

tabi 02-14-2018 02:11 PM

Re: Trump Threatens to Veto Immigration Bills that Don’t Meet His Demands
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Beyonder (Post 689913)
@SenateMajLdr

I'm a little perplexed by this hold-up by the #Senate Democrats on #DACA and Immigration.

Look at this turtle rubbing in to democrats when he only allows a vote on daca for a week.

we've lost leverage and thanks to corporate dems. and yes that includes Durbin

What leverage? To give in to trumps moronic demands that he says can't be negotiated?

Copper 02-14-2018 02:25 PM

Re: Trump Threatens to Veto Immigration Bills that Don’t Meet His Demands
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by bigdreamer2010 (Post 689886)
Here’s another DACA republican. The United States government has not been fully funded since October 2017. The Democrats prevented agreement on spending caps for 4 months and then withheld their votes and shut down the government of 320 million people for 800k undocumented folks.

We only make up .25% of the population but they still fought us.

But they’re the bad guys. Gotcha

Just because we have different opinions does not make someone a troll or a Republican. This isn’t a totalitarian forum. If you get familiar with my recent posts I have simply blamed both sides.

Yes my frustration grew more with the Democrats because I felt like they never had a real plan going into this shutdown. As of matter of fact, this wasn’t even a shutdown because the government was “shutdown” on days all government agencies are normally closed, which is weekends, by Monday the government was up and running.

The Democrats simply never went into this “shutdown” with a strategic plan and after that, they gave up everything else, which is the consequences that we are living in today. Before Trump wanted his wall, now he wants a lot more because he knows the Democrats are willing to cave in on anything.

I am not a Republican or a troll, but I also do not wanted to be blinded by either party.

catportal 02-14-2018 02:27 PM

Re: Trump Threatens to Veto Immigration Bills that Don’t Meet His Demands
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by bigdreamer2010 (Post 689886)
Here’s another DACA republican. The United States government has not been fully funded since October 2017. The Democrats prevented agreement on spending caps for 4 months and then withheld their votes and shut down the government of 320 million people for 800k undocumented folks.

We only make up .25% of the population but they still fought us.

But they’re the bad guys. Gotcha

Are you so naive to believe they "fought for us"? Stop looking at what politicians SAY and look at what they DO.

dreamer__13 02-14-2018 02:52 PM

Re: Trump Threatens to Veto Immigration Bills that Don’t Meet His Demands
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by versailles (Post 689900)
read his latest post, now he's asking mods to close a thread just because people are giving dissenting opinions.
tell me that's not one of the most unamerican things anyone has ever posted.

LMFAO... When you put it that way. You’ve redeemed yourself.

IamAman 02-14-2018 03:09 PM

Re: Trump Threatens to Veto Immigration Bills that Don’t Meet His Demands
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by versailles (Post 689869)
lol, at crying cuck schumer.
this dude was the one that flat out blocked a vote on a bill.

Seriously, are you a troll from the young Republicans club of Liberty University or something?

Beyonder 02-14-2018 03:20 PM

Re: Trump Threatens to Veto Immigration Bills that Don’t Meet His Demands
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by tabi (Post 689928)
What leverage? To give in to trumps moronic demands that he says can't be negotiated?

what leverage, shutting down the government without any clear goals of protecting us, and ultimately, to get a better deal than what is currently being proposed, duh

dtrt09 02-14-2018 04:15 PM

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Both sides have deals that give both some of what they want, but Trump et al want everything they ask or they will retaliate against immigrants.


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