Senate pivots to stopgap 'Dreamers' deal
 

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they gotta bring back AP or some sort of Advanced Parole + not limited to humanitarian, education, work reasons.

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Did TPS allow international travel freely? If so, I think we can get some sort of travel rights

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Advance Parole Combo Card

For applicants who apply for Advance Parole together with an Employment Authorization Document (EAD), USCIS issues a “combo card”, a version of the EAD card which contains the words “SERVES AS I-512 ADVANCE PAROLE.” An example of this Advance Parole Document is pictured below.

https://citizenpath.com/faq/advance-parole-document/

Re: Senate pivots to stopgap 'Dreamers' deal
 

DACA extension for DACA beneficiaries only. No wall funding. Any plan to simply extend DACA must not include any border security funding. That's some bullshit. How the fuck are they going to allow Trump to claim that he got money to begin building the wall and we get a fucking extension. Any type of extension that's not permanent must not include any money.

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$7.6 billion for 3 years reprieve?

No way.

Most of us right now will have ~2020 as expiration. Trump will not be president by then and a Republican will not be elected in 2020.

I don't see why any real Democrats will go for this.

Flake just wants to go out with a bang with any kind of DACA deal.

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Any type of extension must not include any money. Do not let Trump get away with this victory.

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I see some of you are somewhat against the offer. I think you should reconsider your opinion. Congress cannot agree on anything. I think $7.6 billion for three years is fair. This is a temporary fix until we have suitable people who can agree on something. This is three years to formulate a plan.

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I'm worried bc bridge act doesn't provide travel. That's key for me as I will need it for work and school down the road

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No travel for Dreamers because of the loopholes stop fantasizing LOL

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Well Daca was terminated and the current renewals only got a bit of time thanks to the courts.

I agree with you. Sen. Patty Murray was in town this week and said that she and other Dems want to help as many as possible. Whatever 3yr relief must include all Dreamers, no age cap for all childhood arrivals. People like @IamAman should be covered considering Trump would get a lot more than the original 1.8 billion he'd requested.

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Congress has had 6 years on this since DACA was introduced, they are never going to agree to something in three years.

Now is the time for permanent fix since we have the most support ever, three years from now it won't be the same.

Most of us will have near 2020 as the expiration date, and a new Democratic President will come in after 2020.

The Republicans will have to defend 20 Senate seats in 2020, so there is a very good chance we will have Democratic President, Senate and House after 2020.

Then DACA is the very least we will get.

It does not make sense for Democrats to support this bill. We do not get any kind of real benefits from it, but it allows Trump to campaign on "I built the wall!".

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Dems shouldn't cave until they see the court rulings finalized. If they let this go through and we find out that the court just ends up keeping daca alive, they would've just given 7.6 billion for nothing.

If they're going to give the 7.6 billion they better make it either add additional people or something else to sweeten the deal.

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I will be surprised if Trump supports this shitty idea. Trump already rejected this idea when he was vouching for the Grassley bill.

We all have a higher chance of growing man boobs.

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So what happens if the program ends based on SCOTUS decision later this year? Now everyone who's permit expires in one to two years will be at risk. With nothing in place, they will be fair game. To be honest, its a shit offer but I see it like this, the benefits of having something in place outweighs holding out on any deal. This of course is my opinion, but it seems that's the only deal they would most likely agree on.

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At least I'd have closure bro.

This shit will make me feel like a terminal cancer patient. "Work and have fun for 3 years because you are fucked by then."

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None of us can assume Trump won't get re-elected either.

Overall, we shouldn't even be arguing about this. We all know Trump dislikes this patch idea. He already said so.

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I don't understand what you mean by everyone whose permit expires in one or two years will be at risk. Our deferred action status is tied to the approved application's expiration date.

SCOTUS is not ruling on DACA's constitutionality, they are ruling on the administration's failure to follow APA to cancel DACA.

When / if SCOTUS ends DACA later this year, a good number of people will have their renewals in already. Their status will go through 2020.

The rest (including me) will have expiration date in late 2o19.

Then we wait for the next Democratic President to come in.

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No dice

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That is not guaranteed to happen bro.

We might as well get some sort of permanent daca fix now--even if it is renewable DACA.

Flake is such a weak bitch.

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That is where we fundamentally disagree.

But to take your point: If the Democrats think Trump has a chance to win in 2020, they will definitely not go for $7.6 Billions in return for a stop-gap measure.

Trump will be able to campaign on "I built the wall with my deal-making ability over the Democrats".

If the Democrats are going to give any money, it should be for a permanent fix.

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Dems would be dumb to agree to temp relief, bad for midterms and bad for advocacy.

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and bad for you (Non-DACAers), aged out Dreamers, and younger Dreamers. lol

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Daca is not expected to survive. Obama's legal counsel who created Daca said so himself:

"Trump clearly has the legal authority to nullify DACA," said Peter Spiro, an immigration law professor at Temple University who supports DACA. "That’s the problem generally with executive action -- what is done by one president can be undone by a successor. Live by the sword die by the sword."

‘Quasi-Legal Status
Cornell University law professor Stephen Yale-Loehr said DACA was a stop-gap way to prioritize who would be put into deportation proceedings while Congress took up the issue of immigration reform. Dreamers were left with “sort of a quasi-legal status,” he said.

While some have now been
based on commitments made on the assumption that DACA would continue -- subject to a judge’s finding they should have known it could be easily undone.

Hans von Spakovsky, a lawyer at the conservative Heritage Foundation, said any lawsuit against Trump is doomed because only Congress has the power to grant the kind of privileges that DACA gave to some undocumented immigrants. He notes that a similar program, the Obama administration’s Deferred Action for Parents of Americans and Lawful Permanent Residents, was overturned by a federal appeals court, a point that Sessions also made in his remarks Tuesday.

“They may find some very liberal activist judge who might rule against Trump, but by the time this gets to the Supreme Court the government is going to win,” von Spokovsky said in a phone

Challenging Trump's 'Dreamers' Decision Will Be an Uphill Battle
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...-uphill-battle

Precisely because is only for 3 years, we need to include all Dreamers.

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Won't 7 .6 billion be enough to build the wall? 25 billion was for the wall plus other measures.

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we need to include parents of Dreamers as well and all the parents that wouldve qualified for DAPA.

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DACA will end, but most likely SCOTUS will rule that the administration needs to follow APA when cancelling a program.

If not, then the case will be a landmark case for a very different reason. Future presidents can start and end programs and bypass the APA's notice-and-comment period etc... SCOTUS will essentially overturn APA, a law that has been constitutional for over 70+ years.

I don't see how SCOTUS will rule in Trump's favor unless they want to make that precedent.

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Not Good. We want aged out Dreamers covered.

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Exactly, if it's $7.6B just for stop-gap, aged out dreamers must be included.

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If Democrats vote for this or any other legislation that gives subcitizenship in exchange for even a cent for his wall, it will be an admission that they are not only the weakest political actors in US history, but will also be an admission that they are complicit in our suffering.

Fuck Flake and fuck Heitkamp, an illegitimate Democrat who refused to even vote for McCain-Coons.

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Just extend it and include the older dreamers and those who would otherwise qualify in the current '2012' conditions. Might be a good compromise. It gives ALL dreamers some time.

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The focus is on protection from deportation for all Dreamers, not on none of that other non-sense 'but I can't travel and use AP for vacation' bullshit.

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Why stop there? It should include all the future Dreamers outside of the USA at the bare minimum. Let's just open up the borders for the wall.

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we should just include all of the 11 million and demand it to this Republican Majority Congress and a Republican White House, i bet they would oblige. 11 million or bust.

call your representatives both Republicans and Democrats, we need to mobilize them to grant amnesty to the entire undocumented population.

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You guys are taking it to the next level. Where is the support for aged out and younger dreamers :(

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we need support for all Dreamers, including our parents (the original dreamers) for bringing us here.

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I dont support criminals *adjusts maga hat*

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WOOOOOOOW. lmao

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It was a joke!! I dont wanna get hit with the banhammer lol

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sit down!!