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libertarian1776 03-04-2018 10:12 PM

Trump boosts Dreamer approvals as DACA deadline passes.
 
Monday was supposed to be the deadline either when illegal immigrant Dreamers began to lose their status under the Trump administration’s phaseout of the Obama-era DACA deportation amnesty, or when Congress would swoop to the rescue and grant them a path to full citizenship rights.

Instead, the week dawns with the program still mostly intact, thanks to the courts. Meanwhile, Congress is stalemated and immigrant rights activists are vowing political retribution on the lot of them — though President Trump takes the brunt of their anger.

“I love the Dreamers,” the president said at a dinner with reporters Saturday. “I’ll be honest. … I really believe the Republicans want to solve this problem — DACA — more than the Democrats and certainly faster. So we’re all working together, and I hope that something’s going to happen. I really do.”

Some lawmakers say they could revisit the issue by March 23, which is when the next spending bill is due. But even then, it’s not clear what a deal would look like, with neither House conservatives nor congressional Democrats eager to meet at Mr. Trump’s middle ground.

Under the Obama administration, nearly 96.8 percent of Dreamers applying to renew their two-year permits were approved. Under the Trump administration, the approval rate has reached a stunning 98.9 percent.

The Trump administration announced the phaseout of the program on Sept. 5, saying it had concluded the program was unconstitutional, couldn’t be defended in court and needed to be wound down.


So far, interest has been moderate.

From Jan. 10 to Jan. 31, some 11,360 people had applied for renewals.

Perhaps more stunning is that the Trump administration still has nearly 22,000 DACA requests from people who have never been approved for the program. Since initial DACA requests were cut off on Sept. 5, that means those people had been waiting for at least five months.


Fewer than 150 were approved from Oct. 1 to Jan. 31. Although the Trump administration has been generous with its renewals, it has been more strict with initial applications, with an approval rate below 80 percent. The Obama administration notched an initial approval rate of more than 92 percent from 2012 through the end of 2016.

Homeland Security officials insist nothing has changed, and they are processing the applications under normal prioritization and in accordance with the same rules as before.

As of Jan. 31, some 683,000 people were being protected by DACA. All told, since the beginning of the program more than 807,000 people had been approved. But about 125,000 of them either allowed their status to lapse, found some other legal avenue to remain in the U.S. or — in about 2,000 cases — had their DACA protections canceled because of criminal or gang activities.

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news...-not-congress/

libertarian1776 03-04-2018 10:12 PM

Re: Trump boosts Dreamer approvals as DACA deadline passes.
 
renewals are being processed at a much faster rate than ever before but initial apps received in September last year are still pending

"Although the Trump administration has been generous with its renewals, it has been more strict with initial applications, with an approval rate below 80 percent."

extreme vetting i suppose for the initial applications?

Got_Daca 03-04-2018 10:38 PM

Re: Trump boosts Dreamer approvals as DACA deadline passes.
 
Glad we are still in the news

Smooth 03-04-2018 10:51 PM

Re: Trump boosts Dreamer approvals as DACA deadline passes.
 
Activist groups will be pressuring Dems to grow some balls and get a better deal. If Dems are still stubborn about that, the only hope I have is for Trump to back off most of his demands.

Copper 03-04-2018 11:43 PM

Re: Trump boosts Dreamer approvals as DACA deadline passes.
 
We all have our opinions about Trump, but at least he is keeping the DACA conversation in the news and alive. People keep saying this is about his wall, personally I believe is bigger than that, and that’s the Hispanic votes.

I do believe that he is trying to wake up the Hispanic community by telling them that enough is enough and the Democrats have been using them as political pawns the last couple of years without giving them any real results.

This should be a wake up call for the Dems! The last president to grant amnesty was a Republican, and if they loose the DACA battle they will face a backlash within the Hispanic community.

FinAnalyst 03-05-2018 12:03 AM

Re: Trump boosts Dreamer approvals as DACA deadline passes.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by libertarian1776 (Post 695855)

Under the Obama administration, nearly 96.8 percent of Dreamers applying to renew their two-year permits were approved. Under the Trump administration, the approval rate has reached a stunning 98.9 percent.

No shit. The majority of “apples” have been slowly weeded out of the program over the last few renewals. Also, people whose commitment any type of activity that could disqualify them from the program are now too scare to try and renew. The longer the program runs the higher re-approval rating (if the same metrics remain)..” crème de la crème” is what remains of DACA

johnfreyan 03-05-2018 01:00 AM

Re: Trump boosts Dreamer approvals as DACA deadline passes.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Copper (Post 695868)
We all have our opinions about Trump, but at least he is keeping the DACA conversation in the news and alive. People keep saying this is about his wall, personally I believe is bigger than that, and that’s the Hispanic votes.

I do believe that he is trying to wake up the Hispanic community by telling them that enough is enough and the Democrats have been using them as political pawns the last couple of years without giving them any real results.

This should be a wake up call for the Dems! The last president to grant amnesty was a Republican, and if they loose the DACA battle they will face a backlash within the Hispanic community.

You think the guy who's holding DACA hostage so that he can pass his racist POS anti-immigration bill-, oh, excuse me, "merit-based" immigration bill is trying to vie for the Hispanic vote? GTFOH.

No, I'm not saying that. Trump is. To your face. While you're too busy parroting his inane bullshit to notice it.

Smooth 03-05-2018 01:06 AM

Re: Trump boosts Dreamer approvals as DACA deadline passes.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by johnfreyan (Post 695874)
You think the guy who's holding DACA hostage so that he can pass his racist POS anti-immigration bill-, oh, excuse me, "merit-based" immigration bill is trying to vie for the Hispanic vote? GTFOH.

No, I'm not saying that. Trump is. To your face. While you're too busy parroting his inane bullshit to notice it.

You fail to realize that Democrats refuse to get a better deal because they refuse to use their leverage on the issue. Logically, Trump will try to milk the shit out of Democrats if they put themselves in a weak position, which they did by giving up all their leverage on spending.

I can guarantee you right now that the majority of dreamers are actually fed up with Democrats pushing back the issue when it is evidently clear they can get a better deal now if they use their leverage.

Republicans will be assholes. What's new? The very frustrating thing is Democrats HAVE NOT grown any balls and can bridge the gap here to get a good deal. But, no, coincidence that they willingly give up leverage, reject all offers from Trump, and try to shift the blame on him (granted Trump is an asshole)? They want us for the election and do not want to give Trump a win on the issue. Dems will never admit this, but you can clearly decipher their objectives from their cowardly behavior.

Fuck partisan politics and who gets the victory. You can call your offspring Schumer and Durbin for all I care. Nobody really gives a fuck about partisan politics, especially when both parties are at fault for something. We just want the issue resolved now. Dems need to force a fucking bridge on the gap and stop using us for the election.

BeansDreamtoo21 03-05-2018 01:17 AM

Re: Trump boosts Dreamer approvals as DACA deadline passes.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Smooth (Post 695876)
You fail to realize that Democrats refuse to get a better deal because they refuse to use their leverage on the issue. Logically, Trump will try to milk the shit out of Democrats if they put themselves in a weak position, which they did by giving up all their leverage on spending.

I can guarantee you right now that the majority of dreamers are actually fed up with Democrats pushing back the issue when it is evidently clear they can get a better deal now if they use their leverage.

Republicans will be assholes. What's new? The very frustrating thing is Democrats HAVE NOT grown any balls and can bridge the gap here to get a good deal. But, no, coincidence that they willingly give up leverage, reject all offers from Trump, and try to shift the blame on him (granted Trump is an asshole)? They want us for the election and do not want to give Trump a win on the issue. Dems will never admit this, but you can clearly decipher their objectives from their cowardly behavior.

Fuck partisan politics and who gets the victory. You can call your offspring Schumer and Durbin for all I care. Nobody really gives a fuck about partisan politics, especially when both parties are at fault for something. We just want the issue resolved now. Dems need to force a fucking bridge on the gap and stop using us for the election.

Sir that was beautiful.

Copper 03-05-2018 02:06 AM

Re: Trump boosts Dreamer approvals as DACA deadline passes.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by johnfreyan (Post 695874)
You think the guy who's holding DACA hostage so that he can pass his racist POS anti-immigration bill-, oh, excuse me, "merit-based" immigration bill is trying to vie for the Hispanic vote? GTFOH.

No, I'm not saying that. Trump is. To your face. While you're too busy parroting his inane bullshit to notice it.

First of all relax, take a Xanax or something. No one is defending his actions, I have said it from the beginning that both sides have something to gain from this. Both sides are holding us hostages, not one side will try to fix this issue because they “love us” so don’t get it twisted and make yourself believe that there is one good side and one bad side because at the end of the day, they are both the same.

However, you can’t deny the fact that he could have taken our permits away from day one with a stroke of a pen. His anti-immigration rethoric is something he campaign on, so his actions as a president are not breaking news to me. You have to understand that he doesn’t owe you anything, he never campaigned for you or for any of us, he was straight forward on how he felt regarding DACA and the fact that he’s at least trying to keep the conversation alive is noteworthy.

Pianoswithoutfaith 03-05-2018 07:01 AM

Re: Trump boosts Dreamer approvals as DACA deadline passes.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Smooth (Post 695876)
You fail to realize that Democrats refuse to get a better deal because they refuse to use their leverage on the issue. Logically, Trump will try to milk the shit out of Democrats if they put themselves in a weak position, which they did by giving up all their leverage on spending.

I can guarantee you right now that the majority of dreamers are actually fed up with Democrats pushing back the issue when it is evidently clear they can get a better deal now if they use their leverage.

Republicans will be assholes. What's new? The very frustrating thing is Democrats HAVE NOT grown any balls and can bridge the gap here to get a good deal. But, no, coincidence that they willingly give up leverage, reject all offers from Trump, and try to shift the blame on him (granted Trump is an asshole)? They want us for the election and do not want to give Trump a win on the issue. Dems will never admit this, but you can clearly decipher their objectives from their cowardly behavior.

Fuck partisan politics and who gets the victory. You can call your offspring Schumer and Durbin for all I care. Nobody really gives a fuck about partisan politics, especially when both parties are at fault for something. We just want the issue resolved now. Dems need to force a fucking bridge on the gap and stop using us for the election.


Trump literally said Democrats gave him want he wanted, but it wasn't enough. He wanted more. The moron doesn't even know what he wants so stop this, "democrats arent helping us ENOUGH!? FUCK THEM THEY ARE WORSE THAN REPUBLICANS" bullshit mindset some of you red right wing Judas have

Smooth 03-05-2018 08:31 AM

Re: Trump boosts Dreamer approvals as DACA deadline passes.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Pianoswithoutfaith (Post 695882)
Trump literally said Democrats gave him want he wanted, but it wasn't enough. He wanted more. The moron doesn't even know what he wants so stop this, "democrats arent helping us ENOUGH!? FUCK THEM THEY ARE WORSE THAN REPUBLICANS" bullshit mindset some of you red right wing Judas have

Trump and Republicans are more blameworthy. I see that, but Democrats are not making any things better by being spineless.

Tell me pianos, why was it that Trump felt he could hold the issue and demand more?

The majority sentiment is that Democrats put themselves in that position by giving up leverage on spending. A lot of progressives in D.C. gave warnings about this, but the leadership willingly gave up leverage because you as an illegal arent worth the fight for the Dems because they can get more from using you in the election.

Democrats are blameworthy as well here--even if the blame is significantly less than what Trump and Republicans deserve. That is something you refuse to acknowledge. I am acknowledging Trump and GOP are more blameworthy. But, you refuse to see the obvious of the other side of the coin.

The judas are the ones who can bridge the gap now through leverage but refuse to because they want you for the election, and Dreamers like you facilitate this by staying quiet or telling others to be loyal to the Democrats, regardless.

Now, I am surprised if you are even doing anything. I can tell you right now most dreamers who are lobbying are also assigning blame to Democrats because of what I just reasoned.

Sure, Democrats have always tried to do more. Trump and Republicans are more blameworthy. But, there never is any muscle behind Democratic efforts.

Smooth 03-05-2018 08:56 AM

Re: Trump boosts Dreamer approvals as DACA deadline passes.
 
Why is it that a Republican dominated Gov can make Democrats cave on most of the things they want? (e.g. the tax bill, spending, etc.) But Democrats can't do the same on immigration when they are the majority? Democrats refuse to use any leverage on the issue. And we are supposed to wait for a blue congressional wave? Most of the congressional Democrats are all weak and won't make Republicans agree to anything. Democrats will only virtue signal. That is my problem with the them even if Trump is more blameworthy. TRUMP WILL CONTINUE TO DEMAND more until Democrats grow some balls bro.

It took one brave blue Democrat to create DACA. That was Obama, and this happened only because activists pressured him to do it. But, the majority of Democrats in congress are weak and just want to use us.

Your partisan loyalty, although admirable, prevents you from seeing that.

2MoreYears 03-05-2018 11:33 AM

Re: Trump boosts Dreamer approvals as DACA deadline passes.
 
Glad I'm independent. Sadly, the incompetency in both sides is astronomical. And having a clown in chief makes things even worse, he's a man without a word who shattered negotiations when both parties had a little spark in common going on. Next presidential elections cannot come fast enough.

This country needs seriousness in the White House, it needs a man who restores credibility and hope. The likes of Mexico's Lopez Obrador. A people's man not a clown.

Indeed we owe everything to Obama, it cannot be emphasized enough. He risked everything for us and it paid off for both, him and us. Now, our future lingers in the hands of an old man, that by all accounts behaves like a child. An elder who cannot be taught otherwise, just like you cannot teach an old new tricks. Regardless, the future looks promising for us and not so much for him.

Smooth 03-05-2018 12:20 PM

Re: Trump boosts Dreamer approvals as DACA deadline passes.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by 2MoreYears (Post 695908)
Glad I'm independent. Sadly, the incompetency in both sides is astronomical. And having a clown in chief makes things even worse, he's a man without a word who shattered negotiations when both parties had a little spark in common going on. Next presidential elections cannot come fast enough.

This country needs seriousness in the White House, it needs a man who restores credibility and hope. The likes of Mexico's Lopez Obrador. A people's man not a clown.

Indeed we owe everything to Obama, it cannot be emphasized enough. He risked everything for us and it paid off for both, him and us. Now, our future lingers in the hands of an old man, that by all accounts behaves like a child. An elder who cannot be taught otherwise, just like you cannot teach an old new tricks. Regardless, the future looks promising for us and not so much for him.

Yeah, I appreciate Obama for that. It was only 1 brave Democrat. The most in congress are bonified bitches, and it's amazing some idiots here still want to give that a pass.


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