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JayR9 03-28-2018 07:04 PM

Trump proposal would penalize immigrants who use tax credits and other benefits
 
Damn I think Trump just check mated every immigrant.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...=.e318d8fe38d5

By Nick Miroff March 28 at 12:10 PM Email the author

Immigrants who accept almost any form of welfare or public benefit, even popular tax deductions, could be denied legal U.S. residency under a proposal awaiting approval by the Trump administration, which is seeking to reduce the number of foreigners living in the United States.

According to a draft of the proposal obtained by The Washington Post, immigration caseworkers would be required to consider a much broader range of factors when determining whether immigrants or their U.S.-citizen children are using public benefits or may be likely to do so.

[Read the full draft proposal: “Inadmissibility on Public Charge Grounds”]

Current rules penalize immigrants who receive cash welfare payments, considering them a “public charge.” But the proposed changes from the Department of Homeland Security would widen the government’s definition of benefits to include the widely used Earned Income Tax Credit as well as health insurance subsidies and other “non-cash public benefits.”

The changes would apply to those seeking immigration visas, or legal permanent residency, such as a foreigner with an expiring work visa. While it would make little difference to those living illegally in the shadows, it could affect immigrants protected by the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) program — whose termination has been blocked by federal courts — if they attempt to file for full legal residency.
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President Trump: Immigrants are 'not going to come in and immediately collect welfare'

President Trump announced the RAISE act on Aug. 2. The proposed legislation tightens the requirements to become a green card holder. (Photo: Jabin Botsford/The Washington Post)

Immigrants and their families facing a short-term crisis could have to forgo help to avoid jeopardizing their U.S. residency status. The proposal would also require more immigrants to post cash bonds if they have a higher probability of needing or accepting public benefits. The minimum bond amount would be $10,000, according to the DHS proposal, but the amount could be set higher if an applicant is deemed at greater risk of neediness.

[U.S. immigration agency to more closely monitor caseworkers, documents show]

DHS officials say the proposal is not finalized. But the overhaul is part of the Trump administration’s broader effort to curb legal immigration to the United States, and groups favoring a more restrictive approach have long insisted that immigrants are a drag on federal budgets and a siphon on American prosperity.

“The administration is committed to enforcing existing immigration law, which is clearly intended to protect the American taxpayer by ensuring that foreign nationals seeking to enter or remain in the U.S. are self-sufficient,” DHS spokeswoman Katie Waldman said in a statement.

“Any proposed changes would ensure that the government takes the responsibility of being good stewards of taxpayer funds seriously and adjudicates immigration benefit requests in accordance with the law,” she added.

DHS officials say the agency is preparing to publish the proposed rule changes in the Federal Register and invite public comment, but they have not set a date.

Reuters reported on the proposed changes in early February, and Vox has published excerpts of a draft. But a more recent, 223-page version obtained by The Post shows the proposal is more extensive than previously reported.
Immigrants take the oath of allegiance to the United States during a naturalization ceremony at Liberty State Park in Jersey City. (Drew Angerer/Getty Images)

“It’s striking that after strong public criticism of a leaked draft rule, the administration seems to be considering a version that goes even further, and they’re actively considering whether to use this rule to create new grounds for deporting legal immigrants,” said Mark Greenberg, a senior fellow at the Migration Policy Institute, which has been critical of Trump policies.

One notable aspect of the proposal indicates that native-born Americans use public benefits at roughly the same rate as the foreign-born population.

Out of the 41.5 million immigrants living in the United States, 3.7 percent received cash benefits in 2013, and 22.7 percent accepted noncash benefits including Medicaid, housing subsidies or home heating assistance, according to statistics compiled by U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS).

Those figures were nearly identical to the percentage of native-born Americans who get the same forms of assistance. Of the 270 million nonimmigrants, 3.4 percent received cash welfare that year, USCIS research found, and 22.1 percent received noncash benefits.

[Family ties drive U.S. immigration. Why Trump wants to break the ‘chains.’]

U.S. authorities have long had the ability to deny residency and other benefits to noncitizens who are dependent on public assistance. Concerns about such dependency were partly the basis for the family-based immigration model in place for the past half-century, requiring sponsors to assume financial responsibility for relatives they wish to bring into the country. Trump blames that model for facilitating what he calls “horrible chain migration.”

One of the most radical changes outlined in the proposal would consider refundable tax income credits, including the Earned Income Tax Credit created to help working families with low and moderate incomes. According to recent estimates, it is used by nearly one-fifth of American taxpayers, particularly those who work in relatively low-paid service industries.

Under the proposed changes, immigration caseworkers would not consider benefits derived from service in the armed forces or some other government job, as well as disability, workers’ compensation and Medicare, unless the premiums are fully paid by the public. It would also exclude elementary and secondary public education and early childhood development programs offered under the Head Start Act.

But children would be considered a negative factor for caseworkers evaluating whether an immigrant is likely to use some form of public assistance or benefit.

“An applicant’s family status is a factor that must be considered when an immigration officer is making a public charge determination,” the proposal states. “DHS will consider whether the alien being a dependent or having dependents . . . makes it more or less likely that the alien will become a public charge.”

The proposal notes that “the receipt of noncash benefits tended to increase as family size increased in 2013.”

Jonathan Withington, a USCIS spokesman, said the proposed changes will be published during the 2018 calendar year, but he said he was unable to discuss the contents and that no final decision has been made.

“While DHS reviews the proposed change, any draft documents circulating internally are considered pre-decisional and have not been approved for submission to the Office of Management and Budget,” Withington said.

A person with knowledge of the deliberations said the draft proposal is essentially complete and awaiting final approval by Homeland Security Secretary Kirstjen Nielsen.

The proposed rule appears to have generated consternation among some USCIS employees. At a recent town-hall-style staff meeting, USCIS Director L. Francis Cissna was challenged by one employee, according to a recording of the encounter shared with The Post.

“On a personal level, I think I can say with confidence that my destitute and illiterate great-grandparents would not have been welcomed in this country under something like the very ill-conceived public charge rule that is currently in the process of development,” the staffer said. He told Cissna that such changes were hurting employee morale.

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“Given that neither the headquarters nor the policy environment seem likely to change in the next three years, what will you do to maintain and retain, I should say, a motivated and engaged headquarters workforce?” he asked Cissna.

“Administrations change. Policies change,” Cissna replied, according to the recording. “I’ve had to implement all sorts of things . . . that I didn’t like. But we do our job.”

“I think that we all have to remember we are civil servants and we all serve the president,” Cissna told his staff. “We’re going to follow his directives.”

gely_velazquez 03-28-2018 07:11 PM

Re: Trump proposal would penalize immigrants who use tax credits and other benefits
 
This is crazy, basically penalizing immigrants for being here man, like having a family. Every day I think there is nothing else he can do to hurt us, but he never disappoints. My husband and I filed jointly and we apply for the tax credit, so if I were to adjust I would be denied. Sad.

Michcio07 03-28-2018 07:12 PM

Re: Trump proposal would penalize immigrants who use tax credits and other benefits
 
Ok I get the Medicaid and food stamps but a bit confused about this tax shit.... anyone has any insight to that?

BeansDreamtoo21 03-28-2018 07:13 PM

Re: Trump proposal would penalize immigrants who use tax credits and other benefits
 
This is how it feels to get fucked.

john_smith 03-28-2018 07:24 PM

Re: Trump proposal would penalize immigrants who use tax credits and other benefits
 
Without condom or latex too

dreamer12345 03-28-2018 07:29 PM

Re: Trump proposal would penalize immigrants who use tax credits and other benefits
 
Can't be accused of using tax deductions if you don't file taxes, know what I'm saying?

4n0nym0us 03-28-2018 07:32 PM

Re: Trump proposal would penalize immigrants who use tax credits and other benefits
 
wtf, this is ridiculous. Not sure what is the tax credit? I got the Lifetime learning credit when I filed my taxes. Does that count? :(

DreamerSD23 03-28-2018 07:33 PM

Re: Trump proposal would penalize immigrants who use tax credits and other benefits
 
"non-cash public benefits" wtf.

This means driving on public roads can cause us to be ineligible.

2MoreYears 03-28-2018 07:36 PM

Re: Trump proposal would penalize immigrants who use tax credits and other benefits
 
Damn Spanky. He's on a rampage.

BeansDreamtoo21 03-28-2018 07:45 PM

Re: Trump proposal would penalize immigrants who use tax credits and other benefits
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by DreamerSD23 (Post 699755)
"non-cash public benefits" wtf.

This means driving on public roads can cause us to be ineligible.

Fake news. Come on dont spread bullshit.

kyungwc 03-28-2018 08:01 PM

Re: Trump proposal would penalize immigrants who use tax credits and other benefits
 
But for tax purposes, we are "resident aliens" and thus can take tax credits.

isk84life 03-28-2018 08:11 PM

Re: Trump proposal would penalize immigrants who use tax credits and other benefits
 
Another thing that will be tirelessly challenged in court. We pay taxes to get services too. Stephen Miller trying to keep his job since he failed with The Wall.

JayR9 03-28-2018 08:13 PM

Re: Trump proposal would penalize immigrants who use tax credits and other benefits
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by isk84life (Post 699759)
Another thing that will be tirelessly challenged in court. We pay taxes to get services too. Stephen Miller trying to keep his job since he failed with The Wall.

Anyone have insight on why this wouldn't have to go through congress?

nodreamnodealio 03-28-2018 08:14 PM

Re: Trump proposal would penalize immigrants who use tax credits and other benefits
 
Wouldn't this make another term of focus on tax reform, which they already had.

IamAman 03-28-2018 09:01 PM

Re: Trump proposal would penalize immigrants who use tax credits and other benefits
 
Now now, let's not say anything negative about the esteemed president. He's got many fans on here.

Copper 03-28-2018 09:43 PM

Re: Trump proposal would penalize immigrants who use tax credits and other benefits
 
Wouldn’t this have to go through Congress? Either way I’m sure they’ll be legal challenges to stop this from going through.

SurfyB 03-28-2018 10:14 PM

Re: Trump proposal would penalize immigrants who use tax credits and other benefits
 
Lol at this WH and now the WH and Fox News run the country.. how did we get into this timeline? can we not go to the other 999 where shit went right?

dreamer12345 03-28-2018 10:32 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Copper (Post 699771)
Wouldn’t this have to go through Congress? Either way I’m sure they’ll be legal challenges to stop this from going through.

I don't think so. The executive gets huge leeway on immigration and DHS makes this call. We can still use deductions of course, but now can get screwed for it.

Up to the courts to decide whether it's legal to show bias in this manner.

This is just inviting people to lie during their immigration interview and/or work under the table to avoid paying taxes.

CUSenior 03-28-2018 11:32 PM

Re: Trump proposal would penalize immigrants who use tax credits and other benefits
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by dreamer12345 (Post 699776)
I don't think so. The executive gets huge leeway on immigration and DHS makes this call. We can still use deductions of course, but now can get screwed for it.

Up to the courts to decide whether it's legal to show bias in this manner.

This is just inviting people to lie during their immigration interview and/or work under the table to avoid paying taxes.

Why didn’t Obama do it then? It would have been great if he could have given citizenship to even a few of us.

cmartinez 03-28-2018 11:36 PM

Re: Trump proposal would penalize immigrants who use tax credits and other benefits
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by CUSenior (Post 699777)
Why didn’t Obama do it then? It would have been great if he could have given citizenship to even a few of us.

Why didn't Obama do what? Since when does leeway mean the president can give citizenship to people? What are you talking about?

Vze77ach 03-28-2018 11:57 PM

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Is Medicaid considered as " public charge " ?

johnfreyan 03-29-2018 12:03 AM

Re: Trump proposal would penalize immigrants who use tax credits and other benefits
 
Virtually everyone takes Earned income tax credit. Trump admin just figured out a way to deport literally every immigrant ever.

Pianoswithoutfaith 03-29-2018 12:30 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by johnfreyan (Post 699780)
Virtually everyone takes Earned income tax credit. Trump admin just figured out a way to deport literally every immigrant ever.

This

I have never any student who didn’t take advantage of it. Many of them illegal like us

Chn 03-29-2018 12:33 AM

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Was the American Opportunity Credit mentioned?
I'm sure a lot of us took that one...

I'm afraid this may be upheld. It's just the executive defining what a "public charge" is.

johnfreyan 03-29-2018 02:01 AM

Re: Trump proposal would penalize immigrants who use tax credits and other benefits
 
My parents with green card took EITC, and every single one of us who had a job definitely took ACA credits.

Seriously. Fuck Trump, and fuck every single Dreamers who's been fellating him day in and day out.

legendver2 03-29-2018 02:33 AM

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I just double checked all my returns, and I only took EIC at the amount of $154 for my first return since that place paid low as shit being my first company before I left. That $154 better not fuck me. I don't think I qualify for any other credit that I can find on my Tax Returns. Any other credits and benefits I should check? My parents don't work and I ain't got no kids. Unless using our health insurance benefits that we pay for counts too, then that's just bullshit.

Erik1421 03-29-2018 03:53 AM

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I'll take Trump to tax court before he can deport me this easily.

libertarian1776 03-29-2018 04:20 AM

Re: Trump proposal would penalize immigrants who use tax credits and other benefits
 
The changes would apply to those seeking immigration visas, or legal permanent residency, such as a foreigner with an expiring work visa. While it would make little difference to those living illegally in the shadows, it could affect immigrants protected by the Deferred Action on Childhood Arrivals (DACA) program – whose termination has been blocked by federal courts – if they attempt to file for full legal residency.

ridiculous....smh. who knew my college education would bite me back in the ass because i took the American Opportunity Tax Credits that was offered to me. maybe it was better staying in the shadows...

nobody deserves to get treated this way mayne...

#TrumpDreamers my ass.

Pianoswithoutfaith 03-29-2018 04:31 AM

Re: Trump proposal would penalize immigrants who use tax credits and other benefits
 
“But but those tweets of him keeping daca alive!!! And and and and and and democrats!!”

Rogue414 03-29-2018 06:03 AM

Re: Trump proposal would penalize immigrants who use tax credits and other benefits
 
Thank you American Opportunity Tax Credit! ... if shit wasn't bad enough.

Got_Daca 03-29-2018 06:29 AM

Re: Trump proposal would penalize immigrants who use tax credits and other benefits
 
So this will affect retrospectively?

How is that fair?

jaylove16 03-29-2018 07:25 AM

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I don’t this will survive the court challenges. Simply a mean spirited and bone headed move. I hope no dreamer on this forum ever defends this asshat or his administration on these forums ever again.

jaylove16 03-29-2018 07:35 AM

Re: Trump proposal would penalize immigrants who use tax credits and other benefits
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by libertarian1776 (Post 699787)
The changes would apply to those seeking immigration visas, or legal permanent residency, such as a foreigner with an expiring work visa. While it would make little difference to those living illegally in the shadows, it could affect immigrants protected by the Deferred Action on Childhood Arrivals (DACA) program – whose termination has been blocked by federal courts – if they attempt to file for full legal residency.

ridiculous....smh. who knew my college education would bite me back in the ass because i took the American Opportunity Tax Credits that was offered to me. maybe it was better staying in the shadows...

nobody deserves to get treated this way mayne...

#TrumpDreamers my ass.

I don’t think those tuition credit should affect us. Most of us have good careers and jobs now anyway.

Carpenter86 03-29-2018 10:50 AM

Re: Trump proposal would penalize immigrants who use tax credits and other benefits
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jaylove16 (Post 699792)
I don’t this will survive the court challenges. Simply a mean spirited and bone headed move. I hope no dreamer on this forum ever defends this asshat or his administration on these forums ever again.

Don’t count on it dude,
If you kick Trump’s ballsack, you would be breaking at least half of dozen jaws from people of this forum

NotADreamerPerSe 03-29-2018 11:00 AM

Re: Trump proposal would penalize immigrants who use tax credits and other benefits
 
Wait up. This EITC is the same thing as the tax return you get every year after filing taxes? Wtf? why would anyone turn that down after getting huge chunks of money taken out of their paycheck every month?

Where are the Trump defenders?

vander 03-29-2018 11:04 AM

Re: Trump proposal would penalize immigrants who use tax credits and other benefits
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by 4n0nym0us (Post 699754)
wtf, this is ridiculous. Not sure what is the tax credit? I got the Lifetime learning credit when I filed my taxes. Does that count? :(

Sally, yes.

JayR9 03-29-2018 11:06 AM

Re: Trump proposal would penalize immigrants who use tax credits and other benefits
 
I’m just going to continue taking deductions. Trump leaving office in 2020 and the policy will be rolled back or I’m leaving because I’m not going to live through another 4 years of Trump presidency. All the talent from around the world won’t come to the US if immigration policies are this extreme.

juvi 03-29-2018 11:06 AM

Re: Trump proposal would penalize immigrants who use tax credits and other benefits
 
Okay.. this an early April Fools' prank, right?

vander 03-29-2018 11:18 AM

Re: Trump proposal would penalize immigrants who use tax credits and other benefits
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by juvi (Post 699817)
Okay.. this an early April Fools' prank, right?

Sorry no prank here...

vander 03-29-2018 11:19 AM

Re: Trump proposal would penalize immigrants who use tax credits and other benefits
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by kyungwc (Post 699758)
But for tax purposes, we are "resident aliens" and thus can take tax credits.

No quite sure, many accounting all ways said there's only 2 status PR and citizen. Also remember this is a law no accounting business.


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