House GOP immigration talks hung up over legal status for Dreamers
 

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An internal GOP dispute over how to provide legal status to Dreamers has emerged as the biggest flashpoint among Republicans as they struggle to resolve an intra-party clash over DACA, according to GOP lawmakers and aides.

With the clock ticking and moderate Republicans threatening to use a parliamentary procedure to force a House floor vote to determine the fate of hundreds of thousands undocumented immigrants brought to the United States as children, pro- and anti-DACA lawmakers are holding a furious round of behind-the-scenes negotiations to try to sort out the issue.




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House Freedom Caucus Chairman Mark Meadows (R-N.C.) is representing the hardliners in talks over the Obama-era Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals program, while Reps. Carlos Curbelo (R-Fla.) and Jeff Denham (R-Calif.) have taken the lead for moderates.

In an interview on Tuesday, Meadows praised the moderates for bargaining in good faith, but he also cautioned there is no agreement yet. The two sides are scheduled to meet with Speaker Paul Ryan (R-Wis.) and other GOP leaders on Wednesday to discuss the issue, with a full Republican Conference meeting on immigration scheduled for the following morning.

“Honestly, the moderates have been very reasonable in terms of their willingness to negotiate,” Meadows said. “We’re making great progress. In any deal, it’s the final five minutes of negotiations that mean everything. So this week will be a make-or-break week for immigration.”






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Curbelo in an interview Tuesday evening said he thinks there's a "50 percent chance" moderates can reach an agreement with GOP hardliners to stave off a showdown on the House floor. But the Florida Republican wouldn't say whether moderates would accept a deal that didn't offer a pathway to citizenship for Dreamers.

"While we're negotiating, I'm not going to say specifically what I'm for or against," he said. "We want clear, concrete protections for Dreamers and a bridge into the legal immigration system. That's not negotiable."




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Republican sources said the issue of legal status for Dreamers — whether there will be a path to citizenship or some other protected status, and how long it would take to reach that threshold — is the major stumbling point in the talks. A bloc of Freedom Caucus members will never accept any such concession on Dreamers, while others are not as dug in. However, all HFC members say they must see details of any DACA proposal before deciding their final position on the issue.

Curbelo, Denham and other GOP moderates, though, have been pushing a discharge petition that would force a series of floor votes on DACA, despite opposition from party leaders and the HFC. That series of votes would include a more conservative proposal from Judiciary Committee Chairman Bob Goodlatte (R-Va.).

Ryan, House Majority Leader Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.) and other party leaders are working to prevent any more Republicans from signing onto the petition. As of Tuesday night, 23 Republicans had done so.

As Republicans slug it out among themselves, two Democratic holdouts signaled their support for the petition earlier in the day, bringing the total to 215, just three signatures short of the threshold needed to automatically trigger immigration votes on the floor.


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Texas Democratic Reps. Filemon Vela and Vicente Gonzalez announced on Tuesday they will sign onto the petition following a week-long recess back home.

"By signing this discharge petition, I do so with the intent of giving 800,000 young people — young Americans — peace of mind and the ability to remain in the only country they call home," Gonzalez and Vela said in a joint statement.

Curbelo, Denham and GOP Rep. Will Hurd (R-Texas) unveiled a discharge petition last month that would set up floor votes on four immigration proposals. Under the procedural maneuver, the plan with the most votes beyond 218 would pass.

In an interview on Tuesday, Vela said he and Gonzalez changed their minds after spending a week in their districts, which both touch the U.S.-Mexico border. In addition to hearing from Dreamers and their families, both men saw the impact of Trump’s decision to separate families crossing the border up close.

“Vince and I decided that it’s not easy because I still don’t like the process but taking it all in balance, we made the joint decision to sign the discharge petition,” Vela said.

“At the end of the day, our decisions are driven by our local politics and this was a very important issue to the people I talked to here over the last week and that’s what drove my decision,” Vela added, noting he got zero outside pressure from Democratic leadership to sign the petition.

The Texas Democrat said he plans to formally sign onto the discharge petition as soon as he gets back to Washington but noted his flight back from the Lone Star State was canceled and he may miss Tuesday evening votes.


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GOP scrambles to quell immigration revolt



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One more Democrat, Rep. Henry Cuellar (Texas), has yet to sign the petition. Cuellar says he will only do so if Democratic leaders publicly commit that they will not trade funding for Trump’s controversial border wall for renewing the DACA program.




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“I need a commitment from Democratic leadership saying that they will not support a border wall in exchange for Dreamers,” Cuellar said in a statement. “The construction of a physical wall is an expensive and inefficient use of our taxpayers’ hard-earned dollars... As I’ve said in the past, I cannot stand behind building a wall—a 14th century solution to a 21st century problem.”

Even if Cuellar ultimately signs on, two more Republicans will still be needed to reach the required 218 signatures. One source with knowledge of the negotiations said Republican DACA supporters were targeting Reps. Daniel Newhouse (R-Wash.) and Dennis Ross (R-Fla.), who is retiring, as the final two signees.

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Cuellar is a fucking scumbag. Just because one motherfucker doesn't want "the wall", the rest of us Dreamers have to suffer not become legalized. It's always the lone Democrat who fucks us over in the end. That's all.

Re: House GOP immigration talks hung up over legal status for Dreamers
 

I mean they're getting rid of visa lottery, chain migration, sanctuary cities and implementing e-verify, tough interior enforcement and trumps wall.. what else they want ?

Re: House GOP immigration talks hung up over legal status for Dreamers
 

e-verify is not happening.
too many people benefit from cheap labor.

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Five signatures away from fixing all this mess. I don't want a special path, just gimme the green, let me study, I'll pay taxes far greater than what I'm paying now.

You guys like money, right?

Re: House GOP immigration talks hung up over legal status for Dreamers
 

One for one deal is the best way forward.

Dreamer Legalization for FULL BORDER SECURITY money. I think thats a fair deal. I think the conservatives in House are okay with the full border security for now only but they seem to be fighting with regards to the Dreamer legalization.

And then we have scumbag Democrats like Cuellar who don't want "the wall."

WTF type of mess is this. You just can't please everyone in this damn Congress.

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Well, it isn't as simple as just 5 more signatures. If I understand correctly, the discharge petition only brings the bill to the floor for a vote.

Then there's the senate and POTUS.

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The Freedom Caucus was given a chance to participate in these discussions and they still need to think about it...Curbelo and Denham just go ahead w the discharge petition and give it a vote.

Legalize all Dreamers for Wall $$.

Re: House GOP immigration talks hung up over legal status for Dreamers
 

How are you guys feeling about this?

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i really have to question you people's knowledge on these things when you think that the house will agree to a bill legalizing 1.8 million people in exchange for just the wall.
they'd be reluctant to even legalizing 700k of us let alone almost 2 million.
best chances of a deal passing are GC status for the 800k daca'ers in exchange for full wall funding, ending DV lottery, and some light reforms to chain migration.

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I'm from Mexico and I say that a wall on the southern border is the most humane thing to do. It is horrific what happens to migrants on their way to the united states.

Evil personnel stand at the gates ready to cause harm.

If the Migrants wish to stay in Mexico, they have my blessing to do so. I cannot be the hypocrite who stays in another nation, and wants undocs thrown out of my homeland.

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Giving e-verify for just the dreamers is a terrible idea. It should be part of comprehensive immigration reform or another path that gives adjustable visas to current undocumented population. If e-verify is implemented, it pretty much screws over the rest of the 11 million that are not dreamers; including our parents.

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Oh I am 100% for getting rid of this stupid DV lottery too AND end to this bullshit chain migration of cousins and distant relatives. But I think the latter would be a wisely done later on. These Democrats will never agree to it right now. For now I think they can get rid of the DV lottery along with implementing strong border security and I mean FULLY fund that damn wall in exchange for green cards for dreamers.

Full Border Wall/Security is a pretty big item you may be underestimating. If I was trump I would kick Miller out of the window and latch on to this deal and save the chain migration battle for another day.

Re: House GOP immigration talks hung up over legal status for Dreamers
 

Call me a cynic but I find it a suspicious coincidence that what you think is the best solution just happens to benefit you and only you and others in your exact situation.

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Can you please enlighten us with which family preference is currently supporting "cousins and distant relatives"?

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i think that other day will be probably end up being soon anyway.
that's gonna be a central part of his campaign in 2020, trust me.

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no, i didn't say it was the best solution, i've repeatedly stated that it's the one that has the most chances of passing.
but do tell me what you think the best solution is .

immigrant A arrives in the US, whether through bullshit like DV or an H1-B visa.
that immigrant sponsors his parent, immigrant B.
immigrant B then sponsors his brother, immigrant C
immigrant C is the uncle of the original person allowed here.
and then immigrant C sponsors his children.
this is what people mean by chain migration.

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Who cares about citizenship.

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It takes Immigrant A 5 years (best case scenario if they immediately get a green card upon immigrating to the US) until they’re able to sponsor their parents for green cards. It takes 5 more years before the parents of Immigrant A (Immigrants B) can file to sponsor their siblings. The waiting period for this is 12-17 years I believe. This means that it takes 22-27 years before uncles, aunts and cousins can even get green cards.

Now don’t get me wrong. I want family reunification to end. But my reasons are different. It is an outdated system and a deceptively racist one that was designed to display that the US was welcoming of non white people while still attempting to maintain the racial demographics of the 1960s (Hart Celler was passed when almost all immigrants to the US were white). The crap about distant relatives is overblown and is merely an excuse. Trump, Miller and the Republicans want to end it because it’s mission failed. Because the few people from non white countries that got in through merit based channels are now taking advantage of a system that wasn’t designed with them in mind. Believe me if most immigrants taking advantage of family reunification were white, the word chain migration wouldn’t exist.

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this has been going on for too long, it doesn't matter just how long it might take for it, it's still a problem that needs to end. it's not overblown at all, there's countless examples of these things.

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But if a non criminal uncle or cousin is willing to wait 30 years for a green card, I don’t have a problem giving them one.

But end this racist system and legalize the 11 million.

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you do know how lenient immigration laws can be right.
we are a finite country, this is a ridiculous notion that if anyone in the world wants to come here, they are free to get a green card. all of you people need to wake the fuck up on this situation and stop dragging around these demands with you.
either 11 million, or none of us, either let everyone come in here or don't give us anything at all.

these are people with no ties to this country, and while you may enjoy mexican communities being slowly debased and gentrified because of immigration like you are defending, i don't.
the only prejudice existing within the system now is the active exclusion of european immigrants for the past 50 years. you want to right those wrongs?
of course not.

Re: House GOP immigration talks hung up over legal status for Dreamers
 

Exclusion of European immigrants? Are you high?

And don't put words in my mouth. I find it perfectly justifiable to give Trump border security and the wall in exchange for fixing the DACA issue. But trading 1.8 million people for a dramatic reduction in immigration as well as a wall and border security is bullshit. The only way radically changing the legal immigration system would be justifiable and politically practical would be if all 11 million were legalized.

Gentrification schmentrification. That's totally off topic. Sorry but poor immigrants don't do shit to gentrify Mexican communities. We are a finite country but we are a large country and there are plenty of places where next to no one lives and are just waiting to be settled by another wave of immigrants (think the modern version of the 19th century German immigrants). Without mass immigration, our fate will be like Japan's: an aging and dying people with a stagnant economy and no innovation.

Who said anything about letting anyone who wants to come to the US into the country? If a relative is willing to wait 30 fucking years for a green card instead of getting permanent residence in another comparable country in five or six years, then I think they make up a rather small group. The same logic explains why Dreamers who have been here for 15 years should be able to get green cards.

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that is the logic you are using when attempting to justify the current system on the basis that, well before we excluded non-whites. it's not bullshit, explain how it's bullshit.
you people have a thin grasp on how immigration works and impacts countries.
it's fine if you want more and more immigration, but recognize the faults and errors that leads to.

in what way is cutting legal immigration "changing" the system radically?
the way things are done now is unsustainable.
you keep adding and adding people while still trying to assimilate the ones you already have here.
you basically have no idea what you're saying, the economy has it's way of adjusting itself, it's already happening in japan.

adding waves of immigrants is not how you solve a country's problems. this is absolutely absurd thinking, and gentrification is a very real problem. are you dumb? there's countless examples, literally google it.

you people have been using the japan argument and i prove you wrong everytime.
they're doing fine all things considered.

https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/20.../#.WxeZbkgvzIU

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Oh for fucks sake.
At this time in history, there is no advantage that non Europeans have in immigrating to the US that Europeans don't have. In fact, China, India, Mexico and the Philippines are countries (all non white) that are disadvantaged.

You can't say that the economy "has it's (sic) way of adjusting itself" and then say that our current immigration system is unsustainable. Both of those statements are contradictions. Make up your mind.

Blah Blah gentrification. Poor immigrants don't gentrify neighborhoods. They don't have shit in terms of wealth. The people who gentrify are rich white people who feel like they're bored of living in a their racist white flight suburbs and now they want to go back into the city. And because they have substantially more resources than minorities do (because they used racism to exploit minorities), they can afford to pay higher rents and hence raise them for everyone else. I know plenty about gentrification. I live in fucking New York City and I can tell you that if you want to end gentrification, then expel every single motherfucking cracker from every large gentrifying city.

Changing a system that has existed in its current state for 50 years is pretty fucking radical. If you disagree, then I don't think you understand what radical means.

https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/20.../#.WxeZbkgvzIU

This article is bullshit. Ever heard of a market correction? And why the hell aren't we paying attention to the fact that Japan shouldn't be merely recovering at the same time that other countries economies are thriving? A short period of slow growth in a time when other industrialized powers are growing at very fast rates reflects poorly on Japan.

The rest of response is essentially half baked thoughts about how wrong I am about everything with little justification. You should probably calm down and put the crystal meth down. On a related note, who the fuck are "you people"?

Anyway, I'm bored.

Re: House GOP immigration talks hung up over legal status for Dreamers
 

Dreamer path to citizenship in exchange for border security (wall included), is a fair deal. Anyone wanting all or nothing is a nutcase.

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@MEPFuller
Freedom Caucus Chairman Mark Meadows says he expects immigration proponents will get the requisite number of signatures for a discharge petition tomorrow. He also says a GOP-only bill isn’t quite in the offing.

Basically, it’s looking like Republicans are figuring out that there isn’t an immigration bill they can all agree on. With that box checked, the Republicans who *do* want a DACA bill seem ready to align themselves with Democrats.

Paul Ryan says he really does believe there’s “a sweet spot” on a GOP immigration bill. Alright, maybe. But they haven’t found that sweet spot in well over a decade, and they’re trying to find it in, like, the next 24 hours.

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The ONLY solution is one that takes cares of all current and past Dreamers. There is a case to be made that if it includes future Dreamers, it might encourage more childhood arrivals because they know they'll be getting legal status for knowingly breaking the law but as none of us knew anything before coming here and many of us have waited for decades, it's fair that we should be taken care of first.


You can't include the DV visa in your chain migration argument because those are separate issues and we all agree that the DV visa can be removed. Now back to your bringing cousins over argument.

Immigrant A through magic comes to the US and becomes a citizen - 5 years
Immigrant A sponsors his parents B who are considered immediate family ~ 1 year + 5 years to become citizen.
Immigrant B sponsors his brother C- Not immediate family, back of line ~ 19 years +5 to become citizen
Immigrant C sponsors his children who by now are over 21 ~ 10 years

So, BEST CASE, from the time immigrant A gets his green card and is able to get a green card for his cousin is around 45 years. That is some bullshit right there! We should totally stop this by keeping people from bringing their elderly parents to live with them just in case they sponsor their also old siblings who might still be alive to sponsor their kids....assuming they can prove financial support.

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Come on! Big money, big money!

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I hope it doesnt come down to the discharge petition because McConnell will never bring whatever passes from that to the Senate floor, which means we will be back where we started....in limbo

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This is the most racist thing I have ever seen you idiotically and unironically type. Your entire post is both bigoted and racially insensitive. How mods allow this type of racism to flourish is beyond me. If you replace whites with jews and it sounds like something a nazi would say, congrats youre a bigot on the same level of the nazis. Hitler also wanted to expell all jews.

Also, it is wrong to hold innocent people, and members of a race accountable for what their ancestors did. Should you have your DACA denied cause your parents brought you here even though you were innocent?

Also,gentrification is great. Because it reduces the crime in the inner city and stops the massive and horrific death tolls. Even if the neighborhoods become gentrified, thats a plus for the minorities/natives because the decrease in crimes also comes with an increase in jobs and a raise in pay.

Who doesn't like nice crime free neighborhoods???
Woah they made the neighborhood stop being such a dump! HOW DARE THEY REEEEE!!!!

http://www.lagaleriamag.com/wp-conte...er-620x264.png

I wish we could gentrify more places. I'd happily hand people, whites, blacks,mexicans, jews, any color,money to gentrify cities like detroit and atlanta, anywhere that contains DUMP neighborhoods.

If anything youre a bigger bigot and racist than hitler, because you want them to remain in poor and disadvantaged neighborhoods where access to things you like is limited. You want to keep minorities boxed away in the bad part of town, away from you. Lack of fresh food. Lack of easy access to jobs, transportation, healthcare. You want them to stay suckling on the government teat, instead of raising themselves up higher, and seeing how the democrats have pillaged their communities.

Also, if you expell all whites you end up with places like detroit, south africa, atlanta, chicago. Nice diverse, low white population cities. Hey you can get a house in diverse detroit for a dollar these days. You arent racist right? Move on in. Or what about flint michigan? You love non gentrified neighborhoods right? Not a bigot? You would not live to your full lifespan in those places, and its highly likely I'd face the same outlook in those cities.

I don't think you've thought this trough in your marxist indoctrination. Hint: its not the whites who have wronged you,its the ones giving you the marxist propaganda.

Japan is doing what they deem best. They don't take kindly to foreigners like you lecturing them on what to do. They are about to see a massive surge in robotics and are going to outpace industrialized western nations.

They may even drop phony central banking by fiat, debt based money, fractional banking, no interest loans.
Value based money. Like the United States note. The Reich-mark, Bitcoin.

Not debt based money, who's only value is the things it can buy like the United States Treasury Note, like the euro.

I wish I could live in a place like Japan. Based Japs are leading the world.

Throw that liberal studies degree in the garbage and get yourself something stem.

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I graduated with a degree in Applied Math. Don’t think that’s a liberal arts degree.
I’m not lecturing Japan about anything (unless Versailles is Japanese) and even if I was, I don’t give a shit if I offended the Japanese snowflakes. It’s a dying state and unless they open up their borders or impose a handmaids tale esque society of forced breeding, they’ll decline as a society. If they disagree or are offended by that, I don’t give a fuck.

I’m not arguing for or against gentrification. If you want to defend gentrification, go yell at Versailles because he was the one bitching about it. I’m just asserting that in America, it’s a white manufactured issue. I don’t have time to educate you with a history lesson but look up white flight and urban blight for an idea of why cities sucked so much 50 years ago and then look at demographic changes that occurred in the last decade or two when gentrification became more wide spread.

I don’t really give a shit what a Mexican nationalist like you thinks about me. I get that you have an inferiority complex because you don’t have papers and the white bois you so badly wanna suck off won’t accept you. But attempting to take on the role of the right wing oppressor on this forum is really not hiding your insecurities. We all see right through you. You say terrible things about minorities and women because you want to feel strong in face of a society that continues to disempower you. Maybe consider psychoanalysis.

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you sound like sjw lunatic who will blame everything on white male.

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And you sound like a person who doesn't speak English that well.