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libertarian1776 06-07-2018 02:49 PM

Jeff Denham says Republicans have pulled off the improbable and reached a deal.
 
Moderate leader Jeff Denham says Republicans have pulled off the improbable and reached a tentative immigration deal. Per Denham

it includes:
- 8-year citizenship path for DREAMers

- This will apply to "a much larger number" than the 700,000 formally enrolled in the program...

- DREAMers can enroll in the military to get citizenship faster than 8 years.

- These Visa spots will not be new. Will come from "combining" other Visa programs (sounds like they'll take them from the diversity Visa program but this is not confirmed)...

- No e-verify, the controversial proposal to test that people are legal citizens before they can be employed. If true, this is a big concession from Freedom Caucus who want this badly. - Plus there's border security/wall funding of course.

The bizarre catch here is that Denham says this deal was offered by the Freedom Caucus and accepted by moderates. Freedom Caucus chair Mark Meadows told us there was no offer or deal. Soooooo...

via @pdmcleod

libertarian1776 06-07-2018 02:55 PM

Re: Jeff Denham says Republicans have pulled off the improbable and reached a deal.
 
"Basically everyone says they're waiting to see the proposal, whatever it is, written down. They have til Tuesday to get that done. Otherwise it's discharge petition time."

via @pdmcleod

TACO TUESDAY IT IS, FOLKS!

Future accountant 06-07-2018 02:56 PM

Re: Jeff Denham says Republicans have pulled off the improbable and reached a deal.
 
I don’t know what to believe but if the above is true I can’t wait to get it

versailles 06-07-2018 02:56 PM

Re: Jeff Denham says Republicans have pulled off the improbable and reached a deal.
 
so what all would they get in return.

MessiD10s 06-07-2018 03:00 PM

Re: Jeff Denham says Republicans have pulled off the improbable and reached a deal.
 
I’m just going to keep my hopes low till it’s signed into law, no more heartbreaks.

libertarian1776 06-07-2018 03:01 PM

Re: Jeff Denham says Republicans have pulled off the improbable and reached a deal.
 
hate to disappoint you bro but thats just how we roll!

Quote:

Originally Posted by MessiD10s (Post 707655)
no more heartbreaks.


MessiD10s 06-07-2018 03:02 PM

Re: Jeff Denham says Republicans have pulled off the improbable and reached a deal.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by libertarian1776 (Post 707656)
hate to disappoint you bro but thats just how we roll!

That’s just the life of an immigrant! Filled with broken promises and false hopes

libertarian1776 06-07-2018 03:03 PM

Re: Jeff Denham says Republicans have pulled off the improbable and reached a deal.
 
The only way I see a bill becoming law is you pass something bipartisan through the House and change Trump’s mind to support it. From there, you can get it through the Senate. But it all comes down to getting Trump on board.

via @pdmcleod

Outsider626 06-07-2018 03:03 PM

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tabi 06-07-2018 03:09 PM

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When you don't expect anything to happen you can't really feel disappointed.

spaintoamerica 06-07-2018 03:12 PM

Re: Jeff Denham says Republicans have pulled off the improbable and reached a deal.
 
Trying not to get too excited

PhelonOne87 06-07-2018 03:19 PM

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https://preview.ibb.co/j17ea8/930_C3...E60_B959_A.jpg

nerdfrankie 06-07-2018 03:20 PM

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Will we be able to travel??

jaylove16 06-07-2018 03:22 PM

Re: Jeff Denham says Republicans have pulled off the improbable and reached a deal.
 
Chad Pergram
Chad Pergram
@ChadPergram
Colleague Anne Ball rpts Freedom Caucus chair Meadows throws cold water on rpt there is a deal between moderate GOPers/Freedom Caccus on immigration. Will not say if his caucus made offers of a deal

dreamer__13 06-07-2018 03:27 PM

Re: Jeff Denham says Republicans have pulled off the improbable and reached a deal.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jaylove16 (Post 707665)
Chad Pergram
Chad Pergram
@ChadPergram
Colleague Anne Ball rpts Freedom Caucus chair Meadows throws cold water on rpt there is a deal between moderate GOPers/Freedom Caccus on immigration. Will not say if his caucus made offers of a deal

https://media2.giphy.com/media/qmfpjpAT2fJRK/giphy.gif

justjohnjustice1988 06-07-2018 03:27 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by PhelonOne87 (Post 707662)

I guess we will find out Tuesday.

Cant wait to read the actual bill.

If the majority of Freedom Caucus supports it, I can see most Republicans and 20-30 Dems supporting it, getting it over the top.

And in the Senate, if the House Dems vote for it in 20-30 votes, I can see moderate Dem Senators coming around and supporting it.

And guess what? Trump will most likely sign because it will be his last chance at getting his stupid wall

RedBlueGreen 06-07-2018 03:27 PM

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The problem is the senate. The Freedom Caucus may be going along with this because they know Trump will not give his blessing and they’re trying to time a “compromise” until after the deadline for the discharge petition is up. No Trump blessings, no Senate vote.

DreamerSD23 06-07-2018 03:35 PM

Re: Jeff Denham says Republicans have pulled off the improbable and reached a deal.
 
Who the fuck is the Freedom Caucus serving?

The Koch brothers are behind us.

Their constituents, 70%+ of Trump supporters, back path to citizenship for us.

Corporate America is behind us.

80%+ of Americans support path to citizenship for us.

So who the fuck is the Freedom Caucus serving for in Congress?

catportal 06-07-2018 03:38 PM

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This doesn't make any sense... why would they give you a visa that let's you apply for citizenship in 8 years instead of the existing 10 year conditional GC? There has to be a catch, for some reason they are pushing this visa instead of giving out GCs. I'm betting you get up to 8 years on a visa + you have to find your own way to adjust to something that can get you citizenship... (like H1-B -> GC -> citizenship).

RedBlueGreen 06-07-2018 03:42 PM

Re: Jeff Denham says Republicans have pulled off the improbable and reached a deal.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by catportal (Post 707672)
This doesn't make any sense... why would they give you a visa that let's you apply for citizenship in 8 years instead of the existing 10 year conditional GC? There has to be a catch, for some reason they are pushing this visa instead of giving out GCs. I'm betting you get up to 8 years on a visa + you have to find your own way to adjust to something that can get you citizenship... (like H1-B -> GC -> citizenship).

Could be that, or it could be that this way it looks like there’s not a special path for us to “cut in line”.

catportal 06-07-2018 03:42 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by RedBlueGreen (Post 707674)
Could be that, or it could be that this way it looks like there’s not a special path for us to “cut in line”.

But giving us a new visa would be a special path... I don't get it.

jorgeag92 06-07-2018 03:49 PM

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I get a feeling our parents will get the short end of this deal. Thats why it hasnt been mentioned yet although we know any deal will come with immigration limitations. Of course the Freedom Caucus wont admit to any deal reached until they see the deal on paper to make sure there arent any loopholes in the text. I also suspect the visa will come with some harsh conditions that will disqualify a lot of people if they dont keep their noses clean for the next 8 years

RedBlueGreen 06-07-2018 03:55 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by catportal (Post 707675)
But giving us a new visa would be a special path... I don't get it.

It’s all about appearances with politicians. Most of their constituents wouldn’t be able to tell you what a visa actually is.

jwxie518 06-07-2018 04:04 PM

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If Republicans can clear the House, great. We can expect a good number of D vouching for this bill. With most of FC on this (if this bill is released), we can secure House without problem even if most Democrats don’t. So this is up to how serious Ryan is about passing this bill before his retirement.

As for Senate, seriously, we are facing a huge dickblock from both sides of the aisle. McDickTurtle will not move without Trump’s blessing. Democrats will almost definitely shoot down the deal because they need immigration as a campaign point.

The latter is more evil. I can only pray for God gives these bitches some hearts.

vft1008 06-07-2018 04:07 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by catportal (Post 707675)
But giving us a new visa would be a special path... I don't get it.

This is why:
Quote:

Originally Posted by libertarian1776 (Post 707649)
- These Visa spots will not be new. Will come from "combining" other Visa programs (sounds like they'll take them from the diversity Visa program but this is not confirmed)...


Got_Daca 06-07-2018 04:11 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jorgeag92 (Post 707676)
I get a feeling our parents will get the short end of this deal. Thats why it hasnt been mentioned yet although we know any deal will come with immigration limitations. Of course the Freedom Caucus wont admit to any deal reached until they see the deal on paper to make sure there arent any loopholes in the text. I also suspect the visa will come with some harsh conditions that will disqualify a lot of people if they dont keep their noses clean for the next 8 years

Argh

Not this parents shit again!

That shit derailed last efforts!

If your parents arent dreamers on daca, this is not the place

libertarian1776 06-07-2018 04:12 PM

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yeah you got that right.

FUCK OUR PARENTS!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Got_Daca (Post 707694)
Argh

Not this parents shit again!

That shit derailed last efforts!

If your parents arent dreamers on daca, this is not the place


jwxie518 06-07-2018 04:13 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Got_Daca (Post 707694)
Argh

Not this parents shit again!

That shit derailed last efforts!

If your parents arent dreamers on daca, this is not the place

Watch out. There will be #socialJusticeWarrior preaching about unification and NoParentsLeftBehind campaign!

jwxie518 06-07-2018 04:14 PM

Re: Jeff Denham says Republicans have pulled off the improbable and reached a deal.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Got_Daca (Post 707694)
Argh

Not this parents shit again!

That shit derailed last efforts!

If your parents arent dreamers on daca, this is not the place

Quote:

Originally Posted by libertarian1776 (Post 707695)
yeah you got that right.

FUCK OUR PARENTS!

Real parents would rather their children have legal status, a future, if there is a choice between that and their own fate. So, if someone’s parents here choose the latter, sorry, bad parents.

catportal 06-07-2018 04:32 PM

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The only way they can block parents is if they block them for ALL citizens or prevent us from ever being citizens. Anything else will get challenged in court under 2nd class citizen argument and get invalidated.

jwxie518 06-07-2018 04:43 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by catportal (Post 707710)
The only way they can block parents is if they block them for ALL citizens or prevent us from ever being citizens. Anything else will get challenged in court under 2nd class citizen argument and get invalidated.

they are not stopping parents from getting sponsored by their children though. They are not bringing back DAPA in this deal. There won't be DAPA. There is no mass amnesty like in the 80s. They are not fixing the rest of the undocumented immigrations. They only want to fix DACA. This is a mutual consensus on both sides. They don't want to tackle a CIR at all, not today, not next year, not five years from now.

libertarian1776 06-07-2018 04:44 PM

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what about eDaca of 2012? there needs more support for aged out Dreamers.

Quote:

Originally Posted by jwxie518 (Post 707711)
they are not stopping parents from getting sponsored by their children though. They are not bringing back DAPA in this deal. There won't be DAPA. There is no mass amnesty like in the 80s.


Swim19 06-07-2018 04:45 PM

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Be civil everyone

jwxie518 06-07-2018 04:46 PM

Re: Jeff Denham says Republicans have pulled off the improbable and reached a deal.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by catportal (Post 707710)
The only way they can block parents is if they block them for ALL citizens or prevent us from ever being citizens. Anything else will get challenged in court under 2nd class citizen argument and get invalidated.

Quote:

Originally Posted by libertarian1776 (Post 707713)
what about eDaca of 2012? there needs more support for aged out Dreamers.

Sorry, I expanded my statement above.

I don't know. Whatever is written into law eventually. We have no say in this. D and R just have to agree on a much narrower path. 700,000 vs 3M. There was an offer for 2M? 3M? Whatever Trump and FC will like. Sure, if we are all lucky talking about 2-3M then. If not, we are just covering DACA- eligible.

The smaller the pool, the better of the sale pitch.

JayR9 06-07-2018 05:49 PM

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Everyone should just relax until they release the full deal. Maybe all the republican donors planning to withhold $$ finally got the FC to come out with something reasonable. But don't get your hopes up either.

dtrt09 06-07-2018 08:57 PM

Re: Jeff Denham says Republicans have pulled off the improbable and reached a deal.
 
This is just stalling. Ryan wants a bill that only Republicans can support? Wtf? When Denham and Curbelo have truly bipartisan bills, have the signatures for the discharge, and the discharge petition holds votes for all the bills, including Goodlatte's?? File the discharge petition.


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