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Copper 08-07-2018 06:59 PM

Vox: The legal battle over DACA, explained.
 
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A judge in Texas will probably order the Trump administration to kill DACA

The Trump administration’s ostensible reason for ending DACA last fall — the reason that Judge Bates found so insufficient — is that it was worried the program was unconstitutional and couldn’t survive a legal challenge. Specifically, a group of red states led by Texas had been threatening to sue the Trump administration to end DACA if it didn’t kill the program on its own.

The administration acceded to the threat. But then the judges in California and New York ordered Trump to start accepting renewal applications again. So the red states went to court anyway to get DACA shut down for good — turning the legal battle into a two-front war. (The administration isn’t defending DACA in this lawsuit; instead, it’s allowed a group of advocates to step in and defend the program instead.)

The lawsuit against DACA is being heard by Judge Andrew Hanen in the Southern District of Texas. He’s generally known as an immigration hawk, and made his feelings about the unconstitutionality of DACA pretty well-known when he ruled against an attempted expansion of the program during President Barack Obama’s second term.

On Wednesday afternoon, Hanen will hear arguments over whether to issue a nationwide injunction of his own, which would stop the Trump administration from continuing to implement DACA in any way. Immigration experts expect him to issue that injunction.

When and if that happens, the Trump administration will officially be under two conflicting injunctions from the courts. It will be under an order from Hanen to stop processing any DACA applications, and under orders from the judges in California and New York to continue processing DACA renewals. (And, depending on what’s happened in the DC case, potentially under orders to process new applications as well.)

If there’s any precedent for this, it hasn’t come up in constitutional lawyers’ discussion of the case on the internet so far. It’s truly uncharted territory.

The Supreme Court might sort out the dueling injunctions mess — or it might leave it up to the administration

As a general rule, when different judges in different areas of the country have issued conflicting opinions in a case, it becomes more likely that the Supreme Court will take up the case to sort out the inconsistency. But it usually does so at its own deliberate pace — which would likely result in the Court hearing one or more of the DACA cases in spring 2019, for a ruling that June.

But there’s a difference between conflicting opinions and conflicting orders about what the government is supposed to do right now.

It’s extremely likely that the Supreme Court will be asked to issue an emergency stay on Hanen’s ruling (unless the Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals does it for them) to prevent one anti-DACA ruling from trumping three pro-DACA ones.

What the Court will do is anyone’s guess. It might issue the stay and allow DACA to remain in effect per other judges’ orders until the case has fully come before SCOTUS. It might declare that Hanen’s ruling is in place for DACA recipients who live in the Fifth Circuit, but not in the rest of the country — or, conversely, that it’s in place everywhere but the Ninth Circuit, Second Circuit, and DC (where the other injunctions would be in effect). Or, in theory, it might declare that Hanen’s ruling somehow supersedes the other three.

Any of those, however, would require five justices to agree on the right path forward. And since Justice Anthony Kennedy formally retired in July — and the nominee to succeed him, Brett Kavanaugh, hasn’t yet been confirmed by the Senate — the eight justices on the Court are split 4-4 along ideological lines. Any ruling would require a justice to cross the aisle.

If the justices can’t issue a ruling, Hanen’s injunction would remain in place. But so would the other nationwide injunctions that contradicted Hanen. In other words, the question of what to do would remain open — it would just be up to the Trump administration to figure out what it’s supposed to do about DACA until the injunction gridlock is cleared.

It’s hardly a secret that the Trump administration would like to stop accepting DACA renewals — after all, that’s what it’s been trying to do for nearly a year. But it’s not clear whether they’re willing to get so aggressive that they accept the ruling of a single judge over the rulings of three others.

The legal mess turns the question of when to renew into a game of chance for DACA recipients

The legal mess forces DACA recipients to make a very difficult decision that could determine how long they get to stay and work in the US: When should they apply for another DACA renewal, knowing it could be their last?

Right now, literally anyone with a valid DACA work permit can apply for a renewal, even if their current permit doesn’t expire for months or years. That’s a change from the Obama administration, which accepted renewal applications only 150 days before a DACA recipient’s expiration. But the change wasn’t publicized at all — and even some professional immigration advocates didn’t know about it.

Protections from deportation and work permits under DACA are good for two years after they are issued. If your renewal application is granted while you still have six months on your last work permit, you have six months of overlap — and the last day that you’ll be able to work legally in the country only moves forward 18 months. So generally, there’s an incentive to apply for a renewal as close to the end of your first two-year grant as possible.

The plurality of DACA recipients — more than 300,000, according to DHS statistics from last fall — are set to lose their protections between January 1, 2019, and August 31, 2019. If they knew they’d be able to apply for renewals through next spring, it wouldn’t make any sense for them to apply now.

But due to the legal mishigas, they don’t actually know when the government might stop accepting renewal applications. So that calculus gets a lot weirder.

“The uncertainty of when the program will end creates incredibly stressful and perverse incentives where people are having to wonder if they should wait another nine months or whether they should apply now,” says Todd Schulte of the advocacy group FWD.us. Advocates like him are encouraging people to apply now.

Bates’s ruling aside, very few people think that DACA will ultimately survive its court battle. By the time the Supreme Court hears the full case, it will have a five-member conservative majority. And the worst-case scenario for the Trump administration is that the Supreme Court will give it a do-over on ending DACA.

But the difference between a work permit that expires after the next presidential election and one that expires in a matter of weeks is enormous. And with the court battle about to enter completely uncharted territory, no one can tell confused DACA recipients that they know exactly what the right decision should be.


https://www.vox.com/policy-and-polit...s-judge-ruling

Smooth 08-07-2018 07:14 PM

Re: Vox: The legal battle over DACA, explained.
 
WHAT A FUCKING SHIT SHOW. lmfaooooooooo

Got_Daca 08-07-2018 07:40 PM

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Is Hanen gonna stop pending renewals?

PhelonOne87 08-07-2018 08:04 PM

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REPUBLICANS RIGHT NOW

https://image.ibb.co/b79obK/731010_E...8777_B7_D0.jpg

dreamer__13 08-07-2018 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by PhelonOne87 (Post 716340)

LMFAO! Accurate AF. Bunch of show bitches.

NotADreamerPerSe 08-07-2018 08:12 PM

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What a cluster fuck.

2MoreYears 08-07-2018 08:36 PM

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send in your renewals asap!

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Right now, literally anyone with a valid DACA work permit can apply for a renewal, even if their current permit doesn’t expire for months or years. That’s a change from the Obama administration, which accepted renewal applications only 150 days before a DACA recipient’s expiration. But the change wasn’t publicized at all — and even some professional immigration advocates didn’t know about it.
and hope trump won't get reelected.

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very few people think that DACA will ultimately survive its court battle. By the time the Supreme Court hears the full case, it will have a five-member conservative majority

jorgeag92 08-07-2018 09:21 PM

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Scotus is Republican controlled. Let's enjoy the next year and a half and call it a day.

JamaicanVacation 08-07-2018 09:29 PM

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I’m back hoes, just so y’all know....we kinda 80% fucked tomorrow lol shits crazy

godsavethequeen 08-07-2018 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by JamaicanVacation (Post 716355)
I’m back hoes, just so y’all know....we kinda 80% fucked tomorrow lol shits crazy

Bienvenidos to the shitshow.

DogJuiceMan 08-07-2018 09:36 PM

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We've always been fucked, the question is to what degree, and for how long.
The daca community can take a pounding like a cheap whore.

Vze77ach 08-07-2018 10:37 PM

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How to find out which District am I in ?

desice 08-07-2018 10:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Vze77ach (Post 716363)
How to find out which District am I in ?

In which state do you live?

Edit: here you go bro... http://www.lmgtfy.com/?t=i&q=US+district+courts

JohannBernoulli1667 08-07-2018 11:51 PM

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Originally Posted by desice (Post 716365)
In which state do you live?

Edit: here you go bro... http://www.lmgtfy.com/?t=i&q=US+district+courts

I district 5 rules against us... I expect more districts making several more rulings in our favor.

carnivore 08-08-2018 12:04 AM

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God bless California. I would like to volunteer in the wildfire relief efforts.

Adrian2145 08-08-2018 12:06 AM

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Great momentum to fix daca

Pianoswithoutfaith 08-08-2018 12:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Adrian2145 (Post 716372)
Great momentum to fix daca

Explain to us how this is a great momentum to fix DACA. Dont be a DAuser

BestBefore1984 08-08-2018 12:15 AM

Re: Vox: The legal battle over DACA, explained.
 
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Originally Posted by carnivore (Post 716371)
God bless California. I would like to volunteer in the wildfire relief efforts.

You’re hired.

DogJuiceMan 08-08-2018 12:41 AM

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That beard of yours, and yourself are gonna burn to a crisp.

Pressing F to pay respects to the fallen dreamer.

F

Adrian2145 08-08-2018 01:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Pianoswithoutfaith (Post 716373)
Explain to us how this is a great momentum to fix DACA. Dont be a DAuser

Contradicting court orders that make the government look useless, the Supreme Court can’t fix this until next year, and the midterms are coming up along with spending bills. So it will likely pressure Congress to act, this is a constitutional crisis, read above for more info.

Pianoswithoutfaith 08-08-2018 02:15 AM

Re: Vox: The legal battle over DACA, explained.
 
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Originally Posted by Adrian2145 (Post 716378)
Contradicting court orders that make the government look useless, the Supreme Court can’t fix this until next year, and the midterms are coming up along with spending bills. So it will likely pressure Congress to act, this is a constitutional crisis, read above for more info.

I mean give us a serious explanation

Rogue414 08-08-2018 05:56 AM

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May the odds be ever in your favour.

hopeful_in_nyc 08-08-2018 08:38 AM

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Looks like the hearing begins at 230!

carnivore 08-08-2018 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by hopeful_in_nyc (Post 716388)
Looks like the hearing begins at 230!

What timezone

hopeful_in_nyc 08-08-2018 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by carnivore (Post 716390)
What timezone

230pm est

Red neck 08-08-2018 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by hopeful_in_nyc (Post 716391)
230pm est

is there a live webcast or radio where we can chime in?

hopeful_in_nyc 08-08-2018 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Red neck (Post 716392)
is there a live webcast or radio where we can chime in?

CNN has a link at the bottom of this article:

https://www.cnn.com/2018/08/08/polit...xas/index.html

Red neck 08-08-2018 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by hopeful_in_nyc (Post 716394)
CNN has a link at the bottom of this article:

https://www.cnn.com/2018/08/08/polit...xas/index.html

mmm dont see it unless im blind

Swim19 08-08-2018 09:44 AM

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.@MALDEF will stand up on behalf of #Dreamers fighting challenge to #DACA tomorrow in federal court. Watch livestream of press briefing after the 10am CT hearing at http://facebook.com/maldef . Exact time to be announced.

BestBefore1984 08-08-2018 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Swim19 (Post 716398)
.@MALDEF will stand up on behalf of #Dreamers fighting challenge to #DACA tomorrow in federal court. Watch livestream of press briefing after the 10am CT hearing at http://facebook.com/maldef . Exact time to be announced.

Thanks for the info Swim.

DogJuiceMan 08-08-2018 10:17 AM

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Is there a way they could NOT stream it on facebook.
Some of us dont use facebook because the interface and the software is annoying.

carnivore 08-08-2018 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by DogJuiceMan (Post 716402)
Is there a way they could NOT stream it on facebook.
Some of us dont use facebook because the interface and the software is annoying.

Oh shut up snowflake

EMejia 08-08-2018 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Swim19 (Post 716398)
.@MALDEF will stand up on behalf of #Dreamers fighting challenge to #DACA tomorrow in federal court. Watch livestream of press briefing after the 10am CT hearing at http://facebook.com/maldef . Exact time to be announced.

Why does it say tomorrow? I thought the hearing was today.

carnivore 08-08-2018 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by EMejia (Post 716406)
Why does it say tomorrow? I thought the hearing was today.

It was written yesterday, duh

PhelonOne87 08-08-2018 11:28 AM

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This is a good and informative post on FB

https://www.facebook.com/15140606166...3433238791742/

DogJuiceMan 08-08-2018 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by carnivore (Post 716404)
Oh shut up snowflake

How am I a snowflake for protecting my privacy from a corporation used for hunting illegal immigrants?
They wont say it out loud, but thats how they catch people, when they stupidly log into social media.

????

Vze77ach 08-08-2018 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by desice (Post 716365)
In which state do you live?

Edit: here you go bro... http://www.lmgtfy.com/?t=i&q=US+district+courts

I live in PA


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