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cmeow 12-18-2018 01:01 PM

White House says it wants to avoid shutdown, will find other ways to fund wall
 
Source: https://www.washingtonpost.com/busin...e6f_story.html

President Trump on Tuesday retreated from his demand that Congress give him $5 billion to build a wall along the U.S.-Mexico border, backing down amid acrimonious GOP infighting that left him with few options four days ahead of a partial government shutdown.

The news, delivered by White House press secretary Sarah Sanders in an interview on Fox News, represented a major shift from Trump’s declaration last week that he would be “proud” to shut down the government to get the money he wanted for his border wall.

Democrats, who will reclaim the majority in the House just weeks from now, have consistently refused to give Trump anywhere near the $5 billion he wants.

But Sanders told Fox News Channel: “We have other ways that we can get to that $5 billion.

“At the end of the day we don’t want to shut down the government, we want to shut down the border,” Sanders said.

Sanders said the White House was exploring other funding sources and believed it could be legally done.

“There are certainly a number of different funding sources that we’ve identified that we can use, that we can couple with money that would be given through congressional appropriations that would help us get to that $5 billion that the president needs in order to protect our border,” she said.

There was no immediate reaction from congressional Democrats to Sanders’ comments.

Funding for the Homeland Security Department, Justice, Interior, Agriculture and other agencies -- comprising a quarter of the federal government -- runs out Friday at midnight absent action by Congress and Trump. The funding is all hung up over Trump’s demands for the wall and Democrats and Republicans have been in a stand-off over how to resolve the dispute.

Sanders’ comments come after a series of miscalculations by the White House and Republicans in recent days over how to try and get Democrats to sign onto $5 billion to pay for the construction of Trump’s long-promised wall along the Mexico border.

Last week, in a meeting with Senate Minority Leader Charles E. Schumer (D-N.Y.) and House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.), Trump said he would be “proud” to shut down the government over the issue, a statement that congressional Republicans openly said muddied their messaging that Democrats should be blamed for a shutdown.

Schumer and Pelosi, the likely incoming House speaker, have made clear to the White House they would not support giving the White House $5 billion to build a wall, and Democrats have largely closed ranks around them.

Republicans didn’t have a way to proceed because they lacked 60 votes in the Senate to proceed to a vote on a spending bill.

House and Senate Republicans have been in talks with the White House in recent days looking at other ways to try and secure funding, outside of the traditional appropriations process. They have looked at redirecting already approved money, among other things, according to a person briefed on the talks who requested anonymity to discuss deliberations.

Trump has threatened to shut down the entire border if Democrats don’t agree to give him the $5 billion, a threat that didn’t appear to force capitulation.

Then on Monday evening, Senate Appropriations Chairman Richard Shelby (R-Ala.) said he was anticipating a proposal from the White House, perhaps at 5 p.m., that never materialized. But the White House never promised a 5 p.m. proposal, and then Senate Republicans signaled they planned to move ahead on an overhaul of the criminal justice system this week, giving them very little time to negotiate a budget bill.

Meanwhile, the stock market has fallen precipitously in recent weeks, creating economic angst over Trump’s agenda. Trump has attacked the Federal Reserve, among others, for the stock market’s tumble, but it has rattled him, according to people who have spoken with him both inside and outside the White House.

The people spoke on the condition of anonymity to disclose the internal White House sentiment.

“We’ll continue to have these conversations with both Senate and House Republicans and Democrats. Our team has been in constant communication,” Sanders said. “We’re going to continue to do that. I’m not going to negotiate here, but we’ve been talking to them just as recently as this morning.”

Sanders’ referenced a $1.6 billion border security bill that was agreed to in the Senate earlier this year on a bipartisan basis. However, in recent weeks Democrats have said they would support only $1.3 billion for fencing, and that the $1.6 billion package would not pass the House. That left it unclear how and whether the contours of the deal being described by the White House could take shape.

Congressional Republicans promised Trump several months ago that if he would delay a fight over the border wall until after the midterm elections, they would help him obtain the money in December. But those efforts never materialized, and he was under heavy pressure to avoid a partial government shutdown just a few days before Christmas.

“The advice he’s getting is to not do this, to just sign the bill, get this over with, and get into 2019 and then have this fight,” said Steve Moore, who was an adviser to Trump during the 2016 campaign.

vft1008 12-18-2018 01:07 PM

Re: White House says it wants to avoid shutdown, will find other ways to fund wall
 
Didn't this just happen:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aLnHYFTad8I

This fucking administration is just steaming piles of warm cow shit.

Red neck 12-18-2018 01:30 PM

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Sarah Sanders indicated this morning on Fox that the WH would be willing to support a previously discussed bill that included roughly $25 billion for border security. The question: which one? And will it also include a solution for DREAMERs as several of the past proposals have.

Red neck 12-18-2018 01:33 PM

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NEWS: McConnell, who just met w Schumer, is proposing DHS bill w $1.6B for border security + $1B “slush fund” for Trump to use for immigration, incl wall, per senior Dem aide, who says Ds would reject that.

Red neck 12-18-2018 01:42 PM

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In Schumer/McConnell meeting about an hour or so ago, McConnell offered to pass the negotiated DHS spending bill, but with an extra $1 billion “slush fund” that Trump could use for whatever he wanted re: immigration. Dems won’t accept that. And so it goes

Red neck 12-18-2018 01:43 PM

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Pelosi and Schumer now meeting in Schumer’s office on government funding bill. Unclear what may emerge after Senate weekly policy lunches. They are running out of track if they are to avert a shutdown Friday night

MIdreamer 12-18-2018 01:43 PM

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Democrats have some power now, Trump will not get 25B for a wall. He can't even get 5B and he thinks 25B is on the table, lmfao. Schumer offered 25B for DACA when GOP control all 3 branches of the government. Trump should have taken it back then.

jwxie518 12-18-2018 02:08 PM

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PLEASE $25 WITH DACA!

DO IT. PLEASE. I pray to you Lord Jesus.

<3

Nusion 12-18-2018 02:13 PM

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I love it when this happens :-)

Pianoswithoutfaith 12-18-2018 02:33 PM

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Lmao idiot trump could have had his wall last year now he’ll never
Get t.

cpasd 12-18-2018 02:36 PM

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Hoping Graham is in his ear now telling him to attach DACA to it. Only way to get his wall.

jorgeag92 12-18-2018 02:46 PM

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Trump needs to grow some balls, attach DACA with 25 billion and put it to vote. I want to watch Dems vote against it

Smooth 12-18-2018 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by jorgeag92 (Post 723699)
Trump needs to grow some balls, attach DACA with 25 billion and put it to vote. I want to watch Dems vote against it

He should have agreed to narrow deal earlier in the year. He would have had his wall by now. That Fucking moron.

jwxie518 12-18-2018 02:52 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Smooth (Post 723700)
He should have agreed to narrow deal earlier in the year. He would have had his wall by now. That Fucking moron.

I don't care about before. Let's hope this time they will accept a deal.

I don't think the Democrats will agree to $25B again, but it's possible to agree on $5B and DACA.

Smooth 12-18-2018 02:57 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jwxie518 (Post 723701)
I don't care about before. Let's hope this time they will accept a deal.

I don't think the Democrats will agree to $25B again, but it's possible to agree on $5B and DACA.

I doubt they will agree to any wall funding bro.

cmeow 12-18-2018 03:00 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Smooth (Post 723700)
He should have agreed to narrow deal earlier in the year. He would have had his wall by now. That Fucking moron.

If you recall, Schumer offered 25 billion for wall + DACA.

Then, someone that won the visa lottery drove a car into people and the visa lottery came under fire. After, it was "chain" migration.

It was the 4 pillars that killed the deal because it moved the goal post, which is what some people wanted. These days, the easiest to kill a bill is to add stuff to it.

Smooth 12-18-2018 03:04 PM

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Unless a miracle happens, looking at post 2020 ladies and gentlemen.

IamAman 12-18-2018 03:06 PM

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Here is my solution. Fine each dreamer $5000 for a green card. If there are a million dreamers (aged out and not of age dreamers), that will cover his $5 Billion.

jwxie518 12-18-2018 03:10 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Smooth (Post 723700)
He should have agreed to narrow deal earlier in the year. He would have had his wall by now. That Fucking moron.

Quote:

Originally Posted by IamAman (Post 723705)
Here is my solution. Fine each dreamer $5000 for a green card. If there are a million dreamers (aged out and not of age dreamers), that will cover his $5 Billion.

Bravo, sign me up.

jwxie518 12-18-2018 03:11 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Smooth (Post 723704)
Unless a miracle happens, looking at post 2020 ladies and gentlemen.

Hahaha, why kill my hope. Now I am going back to my little cave, you son of a :razz:

Dreamer1980 12-18-2018 03:16 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Smooth (Post 723700)
He should have agreed to narrow deal earlier in the year. He would have had his wall by now. That Fucking moron.

Yes he could had the wall by passing Dream Act a year ago, but because he is an orange turd he will not have a wall, loose his con job business and possibly go to jail after this shitshow presidency.

Smooth 12-18-2018 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by jwxie518 (Post 723707)
Hahaha, why kill my hope. Now I am going back to my little cave, you son of a :razz:

Not killing your hope bro. Anything can still happen. It's just more likely than not that Dems won't agree to anything now.

skyisthelimit 12-18-2018 03:18 PM

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1% chance DACA+Wall will happen.

Red neck 12-18-2018 03:20 PM

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Looks like they are backing off the wall shutdown. Nothing is going to get done. Dems best strategy is to pass something now.
Once it gets to the Supreme Court trump will get his cherry on top

vft1008 12-18-2018 03:26 PM

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Dems are not going to give Trump his wall. And they shouldn't. He's an asshole.

BeansDreamtoo21 12-18-2018 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by vft1008 (Post 723712)
Dems are not going to give Trump his wall. And they shouldn't. He's an asshole.

No wall means no green cards. Dmn it red pikachu

JayR9 12-18-2018 03:58 PM

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Trump is a little bitch. He won't shutdown the government. All talk. So much for being a deal maker. Hoe couldn't deal his way out of a card board box.

IamAman 12-18-2018 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by JayR9 (Post 723715)
Trump is a little bitch. He won't shutdown the government. All talk. So much for being a deal maker. Hoe couldn't deal his way out of a card board box.

If you ever read The Art of the Deal, there is nothing crafty about how he made his deals. He was a rich kid who had power over contractors who needed to pay their employees and he would threaten to not pay them or squeeze them in lean times when they needed the work the most. That's it. The more money he got, the bigger asshole he became to those he had power over. Right now, we're the only people he has power over.

dreamer__13 12-18-2018 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by BeansDreamtoo21 (Post 723713)
No wall means no green cards. Dmn it red pikachu

Pendejo

Got_Daca 12-18-2018 04:39 PM

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"Willing to do whatever it takes"

Pianoswithoutfaith 12-18-2018 05:25 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by IamAman (Post 723705)
Here is my solution. Fine each dreamer $5000 for a green card. If there are a million dreamers (aged out and not of age dreamers), that will cover his $5 Billion.

At minimum 100k if they can’t pay up it just further proves how these redhats dreamers are just non essentials

vft1008 12-18-2018 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by BeansDreamtoo21 (Post 723713)
No wall means no green cards. Dmn it red pikachu

Dems aren't stupid enough to give him what would be touted as the biggest success of his presidency with the presidential election right around the corner. Why do you think he wants it so bad now? When he runs for re-election, he's going to have jack shit to run on. You all need to wake up. We're not getting a pathway to citizenship any time soon. At best it will be some extension of DACA, even if that.

Pianoswithoutfaith 12-18-2018 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by vft1008 (Post 723729)
Dems aren't stupid enough to give him what would be touted as the biggest success of his presidency with the presidential election right around the corner. Why do you think he wants it so bad now? When he runs for re-election, he's going to have jack shit to run on. You all need to wake up. We're not getting a pathway to citizenship any time soon. At best it will be some extension of DACA, even if that.

Trump could have had his wall money as early as September 2017. Democrats gave him 25bs and solution for daca, behind close doors in that meeting both sides said they had agreed. Then trump comes out saying he never agreed and now he wants wall money AND 4 pillars. There is just no way to work with this Man.


Redhats non essential android cheap Chinese phone dap members here think Democrats have betrayed them because they’re not using this opportunity to work something out but where are the Republicans to actually work something with trump? Do they not realize Republicans still hold hostage all aspects of the government for a few more weeks?

JohannBernoulli1667 12-19-2018 02:14 AM

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What's the point of the shut down if they can just pass CR whenever the fuck they want?

CUSenior 12-19-2018 03:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Pianoswithoutfaith (Post 723727)
At minimum 100k if they can’t pay up it just further proves how these redhats dreamers are just non essentials

If I’m gonna have to pay 100k, I’m gonna expect a naturalization certificate, not just a green card.

lonelydreamer 12-19-2018 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by CUSenior (Post 723737)
If I’m gonna have to pay 100k, I’m gonna expect a naturalization certificate, not just a green card.

if they include 1 million Dreamers + 500k TPS + 1 million in green card backlog and charge them 10k each for a 5 years conditional green card with condition no crimes and no dependency on welfare, it will cover 25b for Trumps wall. his base will accept it and dems will also accept it. someone needs to put this idea into his mind.

jwxie518 12-19-2018 01:33 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Smooth (Post 723704)
Unless a miracle happens, looking at post 2020 ladies and gentlemen.

Quote:

Originally Posted by lonelydreamer (Post 723740)
if they include 1 million Dreamers + 500k TPS + 1 million in green card backlog and charge them 10k each for a 5 years conditional green card with condition no crimes and no dependency on welfare, it will cover 25b for Trumps wall. his base will accept it and dems will also accept it. someone needs to put this idea into his mind.

haha, only if we have access to the media.

dtrt09 12-19-2018 01:34 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by lonelydreamer (Post 723740)
if they include 1 million Dreamers + 500k TPS + 1 million in green card backlog and charge them 10k each for a 5 years conditional green card with condition no crimes and no dependency on welfare, it will cover 25b for Trumps wall. his base will accept it and dems will also accept it. someone needs to put this idea into his mind.

They should include Dream Act because once again they have an opening and opportunity to fix the problem. Dream Act also would take care of a lot of current TPS holders who could not enroll in Daca.

Most TPS recipients were admitted due to
unsafe circumstances They can process a refugee program for TPS recipients.

MIdreamer 12-20-2018 01:16 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by CUSenior (Post 723737)
If I’m gonna have to pay 100k, I’m gonna expect a naturalization certificate, not just a green card.

Haha, 100K isn't that much. People are paying 500K for an investor VISA.

vft1008 12-20-2018 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by MIdreamer (Post 723826)
Haha, 100K isn't that much. People are paying 500K for an investor VISA.

Makes sense.


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