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ECW 01-08-2019 03:55 PM
Why a DACA deal to end the shutdown is unlikely
 
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Here’s why it’s unlikely:

•Trump thinks time, and the Supreme Court, are on his side. The White House believes the court will ultimately invalidate the Obama-era DACA program or side with Trump’s attempt to end it, which has been blocked by lower courts. When that happens, the administration believes, Trump will have more leverage to cut a better deal with Democrats desperate to keep sympathetic young DACA recipients from being deported, and Congress will be forced to deal with a dilemma it has long avoided.

•Democrats don’t trust Trump, who has walked away from a number of DACA proposals in the past year. “Donald Trump is not a deal-maker, he’s a deal-breaker,” said Rep. Ruben Gallego, D-Ariz. “We’ve seen this happen numerous times, and we’re not going to come approach him with a deal that he’s only going to take and then reject and then come back and move the goal posts on.”

•Pelosi is in touch with her base, and her base isn’t eager to broach that deal. “People don’t want to trade a wall for something that isn’t even real,” said Rep. Pramila Jayapal, D-Wash., co-chair of the Congressional Progressive Caucus. “People don’t want a wall, period, and I think there’s no trust that there’s any credible negotiation around something positive on immigration, given (Trump’s) history.”

•Trump wants much more on immigration than just physical border security, where there are some areas of potential compromise. A presentation that Homeland Security Secretary Kirstjen Nielsen prepared for congressional leaders last week included calls not just for the wall, but the rollback of a bipartisan bill designed to protect human trafficking victims and a court-ordered settlement intended to safeguard immigrant children. Both of those are nonstarters with Democrats, who say the protections are needed and getting rid of them does not promote border security.

•Republicans question whether Democrats are as motivated as they say they are to resolve the DACA issue. They’re skeptical Democrats want to take the political leverage off the table. Rep. Mario Diaz-Balart of Florida, a moderate Republican who has long worked on immigration reform, called the potential to get a deal out of the shutdown fight the “opportunity of a lifetime.”

“It requires the Democratic leadership to actually do something that they have not done in the past,” Diaz-Balart said, “which is match their rhetoric on DACA with actual action.”
https://www.sfchronicle.com/politics...y-13517915.php

Smooth 01-08-2019 03:57 PM
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Does look rough. But, we only hope something happens.

carnivore 01-08-2019 03:58 PM
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So tired of this rollercoaster. I just wanna get off.

vft1008 01-08-2019 04:16 PM
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Dems may hold the line and force Trump to use emergency powers, which may fail and that might screw us over.

Wonder what he will say on TV this evening?

Outsider626 01-08-2019 04:17 PM
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jwxie518 01-08-2019 04:19 PM
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Fuck the liberals.

jaylove16 01-08-2019 04:38 PM
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No fuck republicans and conservatives who are not really interested in solving this problem. McConnell could step up and tell his conference to negotiate a deal with veto proof majority to end the shutdown. This completely takes trump
Out of the picture and makes him useless. With Democrats in charge of the house this is definitely possible to do, but he has no balls and needs Trumps blessing for everything that goes on in the senate. You’re torched in the head if you’re blaming liberals or democrats for our situation.

BestBefore1984 01-08-2019 04:39 PM
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Originally Posted by carnivore (Post 726357)
So tired of this rollercoaster. I just wanna get off.
Yeah man. That's why I like to get off in the bathrooms at Paramounts Great America before I get on the roller coasters.

Hallowpoint1911 01-08-2019 04:43 PM
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Honestly, I never get my hopes up. We all should know better by now.

DogJuiceMan 01-08-2019 04:47 PM
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Yea I hear you. This news doesn't even excite me as much as it used to.

I miss those days, you'd hear about daca and youd be like :D here we go! :D.
I have been hurt so many times I am now numb.

tays123 01-08-2019 05:19 PM
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What have I been telling you guys for the last week? It is like they revised my thoughts and wrote an article from it.

2MoreYears 01-08-2019 05:30 PM
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My fear is Trump getting his wall by emergency decree, or whatever it's called, and consequently getting reelected and us DACAers getting gang raped by SCOTUS, DHS and everyone else involved.

Dems better play it smart.

tays123 01-08-2019 05:34 PM
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The chances of him getting re-elected depends on the Democratic candidate. It does not depend on what he does. If they pick a lousy candidate like Clinton, then sure; he might have a chance of getting re-elected. However, with everything that happened during the last two years and still happening (government shutdown) I do not see him getting reelected at all. The Democratic turn out is going to be massive in 2020.

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Originally Posted by 2MoreYears (Post 726388)
My fear is Trump getting his wall by emergency decree, or whatever it's called, and consequently getting reelected and us DACAers getting gang raped by SCOTUS, DHS and everyone else involved.

Dems better play it smart.

vft1008 01-08-2019 05:55 PM
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You guys think the shutdown will go beyond Friday?

dtrt09 01-08-2019 05:56 PM
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Democrats including Jayapal and progressives have a golden opportunity to begin the process of immigration reform by negotiating and passing the Dream Act, Congress-mandated enforcement piorities, and a refugee program for asylum and refugees in this budget.

Walls don't deport people, the system does. Time to get serious and stop wasting taxpayer $$ in lawsuits.

libertarian1776 01-08-2019 05:58 PM
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no doubt about it.

stop wasting tax payer $$$!!!

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Originally Posted by dtrt09 (Post 726397)
Democrats including Jayapal and progressives have a golden opportunity to begin the process of immigration reform by negotiating and passing the Dream Act, Congress-mandated enforcement piorities, and a refugee program for asylum and refugees in this budget.

Walls don't deport people, the system does. Time to get serious and stop wasting taxpayer $$ in lawsuits.

Jsonkim88 01-08-2019 06:28 PM
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Originally Posted by vft1008 (Post 726396)
You guys think the shutdown will go beyond Friday?
He will definitely extend it and record as longest shutdown in history.

cmeow 01-08-2019 07:00 PM
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Originally Posted by vft1008 (Post 726396)
You guys think the shutdown will go beyond Friday?
I think on Saturday it'll become the longest shutdown in US history.

Usually, presidents don't want to break this record but ....

Swim19 01-08-2019 07:07 PM
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More meetings tomm:

@seungminkim
The eight congressional leaders are headed back again tomorrow to the White House to meet with Trump over shutdown fight, likely around 3 p.m., according to multiple people familiar with the invite

@burgessev
Trump to meet with Senate Republicans tomorrow in the Capitol, per multiple sources familiar with the meeting

jwxie518 01-08-2019 07:34 PM
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Usa act! Usa act! Let's do it!

DogJuiceMan 01-08-2019 07:50 PM
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USA act has usa in it. To vote against it is like a vote against america and its core values. Only card carrying commies like UWD would say no!

jwxie518 01-08-2019 07:52 PM
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UWD shall be eliminated! Bad. Sad!

jorgeag92 01-08-2019 08:12 PM
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Sometimes I think this is just a bad dream and I am actually in a comma, and when I wake up I realize I am actually a citizen lmao

DogJuiceMan 01-08-2019 09:07 PM
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Originally Posted by jorgeag92 (Post 726435)
Sometimes I think this is just a bad dream and I am actually in a comma, and when I wake up I realize I am actually a citizen lmao
Donzo The Clown: Hold my beer, you aint seen nuffin yet, believe me.

BestBefore1984 01-08-2019 09:09 PM
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Abolish UWD

justjohnjustice1988 01-09-2019 12:21 AM
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Originally Posted by DogJuiceMan (Post 726375)
Yea I hear you. This news doesn't even excite me as much as it used to.

I miss those days, you'd hear about daca and youd be like :D here we go! :D.
I have been hurt so many times I am now numb.
Story of my dating life haha

justjohnjustice1988 01-09-2019 12:23 AM
Re: Why a DACA deal to end the shutdown is unlikely
 
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Originally Posted by Swim19 (Post 726409)
More meetings tomm:

@seungminkim
The eight congressional leaders are headed back again tomorrow to the White House to meet with Trump over shutdown fight, likely around 3 p.m., according to multiple people familiar with the invite

@burgessev
Trump to meet with Senate Republicans tomorrow in the Capitol, per multiple sources familiar with the meeting
All these meetings...they agree to debate to start debate to agree to debate an end to the shutdown haha


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