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jaylove16 01-22-2019 02:43 PM

Centrist Dems urge Pelosi to break shutdown stalemate
 
group of centrist House Democrats, eager to end the shutdown and sick of political posturing, is pressing Speaker Nancy Pelosi to counter President Donald Trump’s immigration proposal with her own potential compromise.

The group, led by Rep. Elaine Luria of Virginia, is asking the California Democrat to offer Trump a vote on his border wall sometime in February if he signs a bill reopening the federal government, according to a draft copy of the letter obtained by POLITICO.


The lawmakers also say the measure should be open to amendment to allow lawmakers to protect Dreamers and those currently in Temporary Protected Status — ensuring that Democrats would be able to put their stamp on any immigration and border security measure.

“We promised our constituents that we would seek bipartisan solutions, and we feel that this proposal would gain bipartisan support and allow a transparent process to evaluate the true needs of border security and provide much-needed reform to our immigration process,” the letter reads.

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/...utdown-1118986

Letter below

https://static.politico.com/9c/da/ec...21.19%20V5.pdf

tays123 01-22-2019 02:46 PM

Re: Centrist Dems urge Pelosi to break shutdown stalemate
 
My girl Nancy has been saying this all along! First open the government and then we will discuss border security! Nothing new here!

JayR9 01-22-2019 02:46 PM

Re: Centrist Dems urge Pelosi to break shutdown stalemate
 
She can’t make the counter offer public. Going to be same shit. Trump going to say Democrats care about illegal more than them and blame shutdown on Democrats again. Trump is losing voters right now. The longer the shutdown the more power he’s going to lose.

jwxie518 01-22-2019 02:46 PM

Re: Centrist Dems urge Pelosi to break shutdown stalemate
 
This is it.

https://pics.me.me/youre-doing-it-wr...e-11068055.png

Smooth 01-22-2019 02:48 PM

Re: Centrist Dems urge Pelosi to break shutdown stalemate
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by JayR9 (Post 729714)
She can’t make the counter offer public. Going to be same shit. Trump going to say Democrats care about illegal more than them and blame shutdown on Democrats again. Trump is losing voters right now. The longer the shutdown the more power he’s going to lose.

Dare I say he already lost 2020?

tays123 01-22-2019 02:48 PM

Re: Centrist Dems urge Pelosi to break shutdown stalemate
 
New Roller Coaster Memes! Awesome!

tays123 01-22-2019 02:50 PM

Re: Centrist Dems urge Pelosi to break shutdown stalemate
 
1) He will not make it to 2020
2) He will be challenged by another Republican
3) If 1+2 does not apply, I do not see him winning Michigan or Pennsylvania next time around. Wisconsin is still a possibility, but very very unlikely. So yeah, he is already toast.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Smooth (Post 729717)
Dare I say he already lost 2020?


dreamer__13 01-22-2019 02:54 PM

Re: Centrist Dems urge Pelosi to break shutdown stalemate
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jwxie518 (Post 729715)
This is it.

Nah boy this ain’t it. STAHP.

isk84life 01-22-2019 02:55 PM

Re: Centrist Dems urge Pelosi to break shutdown stalemate
 
Naw no counteroffers. We will not be able to get even a 50/50 deal with that rat Miller in the White House. At this point we can all renew to outlast Chump.

versailles 01-22-2019 02:56 PM

Re: Centrist Dems urge Pelosi to break shutdown stalemate
 
if(and that's a big if) trump loses in 2020, get ready for the country to shift further to the right than you've ever seen. and not the boogeyman-right a lot of you here are scared of.
it'd just be fuel to the fire, congress would be redder than you've seen in a long time.

isk84life 01-22-2019 02:59 PM

Re: Centrist Dems urge Pelosi to break shutdown stalemate
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by versailles (Post 729726)
if(and that's a big if) trump loses in 2020, get ready for the country to shift further to the right than you've ever seen. and not the boogeyman-right a lot of you here are scared of.
it'd just be fuel to the fire, congress would be redder than you've seen in a long time.

Kamal and all those longshot Dems need to understand what is at stake. We need a good Dem candidate.

versailles 01-22-2019 02:59 PM

Re: Centrist Dems urge Pelosi to break shutdown stalemate
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by isk84life (Post 729725)
Naw no counteroffers. We will not be able to get even a 50/50 deal with that rat Miller in the White House. At this point we can all renew to outlast Chump.

so you wouldn't apply for a deal even if it does pass?
beggars can't be choosers.

jaylove16 01-22-2019 03:01 PM

Re: Centrist Dems urge Pelosi to break shutdown stalemate
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by versailles (Post 729726)
if(and that's a big if) trump loses in 2020, get ready for the country to shift further to the right than you've ever seen. and not the boogeyman-right a lot of you here are scared of.
it'd just be fuel to the fire, congress would be redder than you've seen in a long time.

You are a right wing trump boot licker . What do you know? Be gone !

dreamer__13 01-22-2019 03:02 PM

Re: Centrist Dems urge Pelosi to break shutdown stalemate
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by versailles (Post 729728)
so you wouldn't apply for a deal even if it does pass?
beggars can't be choosers.

I hope this passes so you can apply right away. I hate to see you suffer with DACA as it currently is.

versailles 01-22-2019 03:03 PM

Re: Centrist Dems urge Pelosi to break shutdown stalemate
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jaylove16 (Post 729730)
You are a right wing trump boot licker . What do you know? Be gone !

if you want to see a bootlicker look in the mirror. a self-confessed one too.
i'm just someone who studies and reads about politics a lot and know(more than you) what happens in situations like this.

Smooth 01-22-2019 03:05 PM

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I think we would apply if this deal passes, but no way in hell this shit will pass.

Either Trump reopens the gov without any deal or offers citizenship and backs off all the other concessions he is demanding to reopen the government.

Trump is fucked. He has very little leverage now.

Smooth 01-22-2019 03:06 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by dreamer__13 (Post 729731)
I hope this passes so you can apply right away. I hate to see you suffer with DACA as it currently is.

Where is the little chewbaca gif you once posted ? lmfao

libertarian1776 01-22-2019 03:06 PM

Re: Centrist Dems urge Pelosi to break shutdown stalemate
 
lmaoooo classic.

well there you go folks, he knows more than all of us. he is God.

Quote:

Originally Posted by versailles (Post 729732)
if you want to see a bootlicker look in the mirror. a self-confessed one too.
i'm just someone who studies and reads about politics a lot and know(more than you) what happens in situations like this.


versailles 01-22-2019 03:06 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by dreamer__13 (Post 729731)
I hope this passes so you can apply right away. I hate to see you suffer with DACA as it currently is.

i don't need this shit, i already have my renewal. that post was rhetorical.
if a deal that had GC status passed but miller had a hand in crafting, all of us here would still apply. don't get things twisted.

isk84life 01-22-2019 03:07 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by versailles (Post 729728)
so you wouldn't apply for a deal even if it does pass?
beggars can't be choosers.

No, I'm at a point in my life and career where I need to know for sure what is next. We are all getting older, idk if you have noticed but most of us are not teenagers anymore. I would just finish my two years left and move somewhere else where I can continue my life peacefully. Canada would be my first option.

versailles 01-22-2019 03:08 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by libertarian1776 (Post 729735)
lmaoooo classic.

well there you go folks, he knows more than all of us. he is God.

why do you always try to misinterpret what i said, nigga my post is there, i don't speak in code. i don't know more than everyone on here, but i do know more than someone like jaylove who only sees politics through a liberal bias.

libertarian1776 01-22-2019 03:09 PM

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everyone got a bias, mayne.

Quote:

Originally Posted by versailles (Post 729738)
why do you always try to misinterpret what i said, nigga my post is there, i don't speak in code. i don't know more than everyone on here, but i do know more than someone like jaylove who only sees politics through the liberal bias.


georgeb1214 01-22-2019 03:10 PM

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I will not apply for this. I think it will ban me from adjusting status through marriage. I have a legal entry.

always_learner11 01-22-2019 03:10 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by versailles (Post 729726)
if(and that's a big if) trump loses in 2020, get ready for the country to shift further to the right than you've ever seen. and not the boogeyman-right a lot of you here are scared of.
it'd just be fuel to the fire, congress would be redder than you've seen in a long time.

They'll be a huge pull from the right. Let's hope that the left wakes up and pulls even harder.

The left can easily win with a high overall turnout and a good candidate. They of course couldn't get complacent going into 2022 either.

dreamer__13 01-22-2019 03:11 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by versailles (Post 729736)
i don't need this shit, i already have my renewal. that post was rhetorical.
if a deal that had GC status passed but miller had a hand in crafting, all of us here would still apply. don't get things twisted.

Oh shit for sure. Idgaf if it’s Trump that gives us a GC but that’s not happening as long as Miller is a part of his admin.

versailles 01-22-2019 03:11 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by libertarian1776 (Post 729739)
everyone got a bias, mayne.

sure, but you try to ignore it as much as you can if you want to understand how things work.

libertarian1776 01-22-2019 03:13 PM

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yeah u right but u dont need to say i know more than (jaylove16) and project you’re intellectually superior cause they lean differently than you.

idk mayn, u just seem to have a smug attitude on here. im sure ur a good guy in person.

Quote:

Originally Posted by versailles (Post 729743)
sure, but you try to ignore it as much as you can if you want to understand how things work.


always_learner11 01-22-2019 03:14 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by versailles (Post 729736)
i don't need this shit, i already have my renewal. that post was rhetorical.
if a deal that had GC status passed but miller had a hand in crafting, all of us here would still apply. don't get things twisted.

GC ,yes. Temporary status like this or similar to this one, no.

Since it's pretty unlikely we get GC and similarly unlikely that Democrats accept a temporary status, we'd best hope for the best for 2020/2022.

For the meantime, let's make the best of DACA.

jaylove16 01-22-2019 03:16 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by libertarian1776 (Post 729744)
yeah u right but u dont need to say i know more than (jaylove16) and project you’re intellectually superior cause they lean differently than you.

idk mayn, u just seem to have a smug attitude on here.

All his predictions has been wrong so far. He lives in his own right wing world lol.

Btw, there is no evidence right now pointing to 2020 being a wave election for republicans. So for him to say get ready for a more right wing GOP in charge of congress after the election is silly and without any base.

libertarian1776 01-22-2019 03:20 PM

Re: Centrist Dems urge Pelosi to break shutdown stalemate
 
i was wrong on just one prediction and that was xmas 17 greencards but i will proudly own that shit. lol

but everything else, im batting near 1.000.

Quote:

Originally Posted by jaylove16 (Post 729746)
All his predictions has been wrong so far. He lives in his own right wing world lol.


Btw, there is no evidence right now pointing to 2020 being a wave election for republicans. So for him to say get ready for a more right wing GOP in charge of congress after the election is silly and without any base.


jaws 01-22-2019 03:21 PM

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versailles 01-22-2019 03:21 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by always_learner11 (Post 729741)
They'll be a huge pull from the right. Let's hope that the left wakes up and pulls even harder.

The left can easily win with a high overall turnout and a good candidate. They of course couldn't get complacent going into 2022 either.

yeah they can win, but i think the whole country is just going to shift more to the right. not necessarily conservative, but moderates will go more right, independents will go more right, moderate liberals will just become moderates, etc. it won't happen as crazy as it has in europe where everyone in a country becomes right-wing though.

tays123 01-22-2019 03:22 PM

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When are we doing a DAP trip to Vegas to see who is better at betting?

versailles 01-22-2019 03:23 PM

Re: Centrist Dems urge Pelosi to break shutdown stalemate
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by libertarian1776 (Post 729744)
yeah u right but u dont need to say i know more than (jaylove16) and project you’re intellectually superior cause they lean differently than you.

idk mayn, u just seem to have a smug attitude on here. im sure ur a good guy in person.

dude, jaylove has been hostile to me in every single post since i first got here. that's the only response i could possibly give him without getting banned.
the only people i've been "smug" or an ass to where pianos, him, and our resident UWD people.

jaylove16 01-22-2019 03:23 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by versailles (Post 729749)
yeah they can win, but i think the whole country is just going to shift more to the right. not necessarily conservative, but moderates will go more right, independents will go more right, moderate liberals will just become moderates, etc. it won't happen as crazy as it has in europe where everyone in a country becomes right-wing though.

No evidence to back up what you’re saying buddy .

dreamer__13 01-22-2019 03:24 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by versailles (Post 729749)
yeah they can win, but i think the whole country is just going to shift more to the right. not necessarily conservative, but moderates will go more right, independents will go more right, moderate liberals will just become moderates, etc. it won't happen as crazy as it has in europe where everyone in a country becomes right-wing though.

So Ann Coulter 2024. We’re fucked.

versailles 01-22-2019 03:24 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jaylove16 (Post 729746)
All his predictions has been wrong so far. He lives in his own right wing world lol.

Btw, there is no evidence right now pointing to 2020 being a wave election for republicans. So for him to say get ready for a more right wing GOP in charge of congress after the election is silly and without any base.

Citation needed

only thing i've been wrong on in a long time is the SCOTUS ruling.

libertarian1776 01-22-2019 03:24 PM

Re: Centrist Dems urge Pelosi to break shutdown stalemate
 
Bro, nobody knows whats gonna happen 100% but the best way to gauge it is in cycles. (Except in rare instances like Carter/Reagan in 1980, Bush/Clinton in 1990)

2000 Bush and Republicans take power, 2008 Obama and Democrats take power, 2016 Trump and Republicans take Power, 2020 (we will see cause of Trump issues), 2028 Democrats take power, 2032 Republicans take power.

Same shit different toilet mayne..

Quote:

Originally Posted by versailles (Post 729749)
yeah they can win, but i think the whole country is just going to shift more to the right. not necessarily conservative, but moderates will go more right, independents will go more right, moderate liberals will just become moderates, etc. it won't happen as crazy as it has in europe where everyone in a country becomes right-wing though.


jaylove16 01-22-2019 03:29 PM

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No more distractions.

GMUdreamer 01-22-2019 03:35 PM

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Oh hey another thread that's become a pissing contest...


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