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2MoreYears 11-12-2019 12:58 PM
Supreme Court appears closely divided over Trump’s termination of DACA
 
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WASHINGTON — The Supreme Court justices sounded closely split Tuesday during arguments over whether President Trump properly revoked the Obama-era policy that has allowed 700,000 young immigrants to live and work in the United States.

Chief Justice John G. Roberts Jr., whose vote is likely to be the deciding one, asked tough questions of both sides and did not tip his hand.

Trump’s Solicitor Gen. Noel Francisco urged the justices to toss out rulings from three federal judges and to clear the way for the president to “wind down” the program known as Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals or DACA.

Francisco called DACA “a temporary stop-gap measure” that could be repealed at any time. The administration has also argued that the original program was illegal because it exceeded the powers of the president.

At several points, Roberts suggested that the Trump administration may have been on firm ground in thinking DACA was illegal. He noted that a similar, more far-reaching Obama immigration order -- protecting immigrants who are parents of some U.S. citizens or lawful residents -- had been blocked by the 5th Circuit and the Supreme Court in a tie vote. “Isn’t that enough?” Roberts asked.

Arguing in defense of the Dreamers and their right to work legally was Ted Olson, who served as U.S. solicitor general under President George W. Bush. Olson argued that rescinding DACA would “trigger disruption” to the lives of hundreds of thousands of people, their families, businesses and the armed forces.

Both Olson and California Solicitor General Michael Mongan argued that DACA was legal, and the Trump administration could not shut it down solely on the basis that it was illegal.

More than a quarter of those protected under the DACA program live in California, and many of them are raising families. But they could be left without a work permit next year if the high court rules for Trump.

The case poses an unusual test of presidential power. Trump’s lawyers argued he should prevail because Obama abused his executive authority by granting a temporary exemption from deportation for immigrants who were brought to this country as children.

For more than two years, Trump has been seeking to end the special protections for the Dreamers put in place by Obama, but he has been blocked by federal judges in San Francisco, New York and Washington D.C. All three said the proposed repeal was flawed because it relied on the false claim that Obama’s policy was illegal from the start.

Obama announced the special protection for the Dreamers in 2012, and the policy has gained steadily in popularity. Opinion polls in the past year have found that more than three-fourths of those surveyed—both Republicans and Democrats—support granting legal status to the Dreamers.
https://www.latimes.com/politics/sto...-dreamers-fate

Afridi786 11-12-2019 01:06 PM
Re: Supreme Court appears closely divided over Trump’s termination of DACA
 
Great, I hope they can sleep at night knowing they will destroy the lives of several hundred thousand people. But knowing these people, they'll probably sleep better.

VeryNicePerson1 11-12-2019 01:45 PM
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They are thinking about using the DAPA ruling as a precedent...oh dear...that's not good for us.

I thought this case would've been more complex than that.

The conservative judges seem to be just saying "Isn't this the same as DAPA? Are we done here?"

Afridi786 11-12-2019 01:48 PM
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Originally Posted by VeryNicePerson1 (Post 742637)
They are thinking about using the DAPA ruling as a precedent...oh dear...that's not good for us.

I thought this case would've been more complex than that.

The conservative judges seem to be just saying "Isn't this the same as DAPA? Are we done here?"
Well if they want to be literal, in the DAPA case they just let the lower courts decide, and if that's the case, they should stick with the lower court decision here also.

Got_Daca 11-12-2019 01:55 PM
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No, DAPA is based out of DACA

DACA is based out of Dream Act which passed the house and senate on different times

ECW 11-12-2019 01:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Got_Daca (Post 742643)
No, DAPA is based out of DACA

DACA is based out of Dream Act which passed the house and senate on different times
It doesn't matter what the fuck is based out of, that shit is dead like DAPA

VeryNicePerson1 11-12-2019 01:57 PM
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It looks like 4-4 honestly...with Roberts being the swing.

It may come down to if the arguments can convince Roberts to throw us a bone and not basically ruin DACA lives.

But at this point it doesn't look promising...he is leaning toward Trump slightly.

ECW 11-12-2019 02:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Got_Daca (Post 742643)
No, DAPA is based out of DACA

DACA is based out of Dream Act which passed the house and senate on different times
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Originally Posted by VeryNicePerson1 (Post 742645)
It looks like 4-4 honestly...with Roberts being the swing.

It may come down to if the arguments can convince Roberts to throw us a bone and not basically ruin DACA lives.

But at this point it doesn't look promising...he is leaning toward Trump slightly.
There's no slightly, DACA is dead! When are ya'll gonna get this shit

vft1008 11-12-2019 02:05 PM
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Originally Posted by ECW (Post 742646)
There's no slightly, DACA is dead! When are ya'll gonna get this shit
Fearmonger to the naive.

Got_Daca 11-12-2019 02:05 PM
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For new life to begin something has to die

legendver2 11-12-2019 03:20 PM
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I'm legit a bit scared for the first time in regards to DACA lol...

bond284 11-12-2019 04:26 PM
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Originally Posted by ECW (Post 742646)
There's no slightly, DACA is dead! When are ya'll gonna get this shit
Hasn't happened yet. Not helpful to pretend to know for certain, but useful to plan for both cases.

Life has thrown all of us curveballs and everyone should know by now that this entire arc of the DACA story has been nothing but surprises.

Don't set forth your plan B yet because if by some chance DACA is here to stay, well then you've made yourself no favors by aligning your life choices on something that ended up not happening.

Keep plan B in your back pocket, and be ready. Until then, carry on.

Pianoswithoutfaith 11-12-2019 05:05 PM
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The worse that could happen to us is daca ending letting work permits expired.


Deporting Dreamers would be too much. The shitty thing is no future president can ever restart DACA.

I hope the DAP trump supporters are happy but deep down their rolling back and forth in the graveyards

legendver2 11-12-2019 05:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Pianoswithoutfaith (Post 742749)
The worse that could happen to us is daca ending letting work permits expired.


Deporting Dreamers would be too much. The shitty thing is no future president can ever restart DACA.

I hope the DAP trump supporters are happy but deep down their rolling back and forth in the graveyards
That's not the wort that can happen. The worst is what you said, and immediately disqualify existing work permits.

Pianoswithoutfaith 11-12-2019 05:32 PM
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The latter won’t happen. Even when trump ended daca immediately after winning the election he let work permits expired

2Face 11-12-2019 06:18 PM
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CONGRESS needs to get to work, fuck the elections, and pass immediate Dreamer legalization! They’re just sitting on their ass doing nothing.

cmeow 11-12-2019 06:25 PM
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Originally Posted by 2Face (Post 742758)
CONGRESS needs to get to work, fuck the elections, and pass immediate Dreamer legalization! They’re just sitting on their ass doing nothing.
A lot of members of congress tweeting about DACA today, hopefully you're right and they do something.

2Face 11-12-2019 06:27 PM
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Originally Posted by cmeow (Post 742759)
A lot of members of congress tweeting about DACA today, hopefully you're right and they do something.
Democrats need to bend. They can’t afford to wait until the decision or they will be fucked big time. Unfortunately everyone led by UWD will be cursing at only the Pres and Continue fear mongering. Instead we would be better off in devoting our energy in pressuring the Dems to get this done anyhow possible!

legendver2 11-12-2019 06:30 PM
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If there was ever a time for Trump to one-up Obama, this would be it. Dude is obsessed with being better than Obama. If he can pass a Dream Act, do the one thing Obama couldn't, then that would be his legacy. Is he smart enough to think that? I say hell no, but I can hope.

cmeow 11-12-2019 06:32 PM
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Originally Posted by 2Face (Post 742761)
Democrats need to bend. They can’t afford to wait until the decision or they will be fucked big time.
How are the democrats fucked? Trump deports dreamers being on the news is bad for republicans in voting season.

2Face 11-12-2019 06:34 PM
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Originally Posted by legendver2 (Post 742763)
If there was ever a time for Trump to one-up Obama, this would be it. Dude is obsessed with being better than Obama. If he can pass a Dream Act, do the one thing Obama couldn't, then that would be his legacy. Is he smart enough to think that? I say hell no, but I can hope.
This is exactly what Demofucks don’t want. They don’t want him to get some points with Latino voters. Hence you watch all they will continue to do is maintain fear.

cmeow 11-12-2019 06:40 PM
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Originally Posted by 2Face (Post 742765)
This is exactly what Demofucks don’t want. They don’t want him to get some points with Latino voters. Hence you watch all they will continue to do is maintain fear.
That makes no sense. He could've gotten points with latinos by pushing for the dream act when he had control of the entire congress and he could push for the dream act right now. The only thing Trump's administration has done is to rescind DACA. How does that get him points with latino voters? Or a better question, what steps has the Trump administration done in regards to DACA that would give him points with latino voters?

If you recall, the democrat controlled house passed HR 6 for dreamers. Senate has not taken it up yet. They didn't try to revise it or do anything. It's been sitting there for months. The ball's been in the republican court for months and they chose to do nothing. How is this getting points from latinos for republicans?

2Face 11-12-2019 06:46 PM
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Originally Posted by cmeow (Post 742766)
That makes no sense. He could've gotten points with latinos by pushing for the dream act when he had control of the entire congress and he could push for the dream act right now. The only thing Trump's administration has done is to rescind DACA. How does that get him points with latino voters? Or a better question, what steps has the Trump administration done in regards to DACA that would give him points with latino voters?

If you recall, the democrat controlled house passed HR 6 for dreamers. Senate has not taken it up yet. They didn't try to revise it or do anything. It's been sitting there for months. The ball's been in the republican court for months and they chose to do nothing. How is this getting points from latinos for republicans?
That’s why I say it’s definitely Possible IF we put collective efforts on pushing Democrats to go to White House and hash out a deal, but we have to pressure them. There is no time to continue bashing the Pres (he doesn’t give a shit, he already has a lot of support). If a Trump endorsed compromise were to pass he’d score massive points with Hispanic community especially Dreamers (I’m afraid this is what Dems don’t want and hence it will be tough to convince them to do something)

legendver2 11-12-2019 06:47 PM
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Originally Posted by cmeow (Post 742766)
That makes no sense. He could've gotten points with latinos by pushing for the dream act when he had control of the entire congress and he could push for the dream act right now. The only thing Trump's administration has done is to rescind DACA. How does that get him points with latino voters? Or a better question, what steps has the Trump administration done in regards to DACA that would give him points with latino voters?

If you recall, the democrat controlled house passed HR 6 for dreamers. Senate has not taken it up yet. They didn't try to revise it or do anything. It's been sitting there for months. The ball's been in the republican court for months and they chose to do nothing. How is this getting points from latinos for republicans?
Cmeow is talking under the hypothetical that Trump and the Senate passes HR 6 to help Dreamers, and that move would get them the latino voters.

vft1008 11-12-2019 06:49 PM
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Originally Posted by 2Face (Post 742761)
Democrats need to bend. They can’t afford to wait until the decision or they will be fucked big time.
Bend? To what? Bullshit compromises the Reupublican party comes us with like the Goodshit Bill or equivalent?

2Face 11-12-2019 06:50 PM
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Originally Posted by vft1008 (Post 742773)
Bend? To what? Bullshit compromises the Reupublican party comes us with like the Goodshit Bill or equivalent?
No Goodlatte bill. No to anything that has temporary BS. If the bill has path to GC however they need to agree everything else the other side wants.

thedelight21 11-12-2019 06:52 PM
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Originally Posted by 2Face (Post 742769)
That’s why I say it’s definitely Possible IF we put collective efforts on pushing Democrats to go to White House and hash out a deal, but we have to pressure them. There is no time to continue bashing the Pres (he doesn’t give a shit, he already has a lot of support). If a Trump endorsed compromise were to pass he’d score massive points with Hispanic community especially Dreamers (I’m afraid this is what Dems don’t want and hence it will be tough to convince them to do something)
The Democrats already tried to make a deal with Trump many times. They even had some bipartisan bills. It didn’t work and he threatened to veto them. As someone else said, the Senate hasn’t even voted on the bill that was passed in the House.

2Face 11-12-2019 06:55 PM
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Originally Posted by thedelight21 (Post 742775)
The Democrats already tried to make a deal with Trump many times. They even had some bipartisan bills. It didn’t work and he threatened to veto them. As someone else said, the Senate hasn’t even voted on the bill that was passed in the House.
They need to do it again and cave into ALL Demands in exchange for permanent legalization for us (they will not be doing this)

cmeow 11-12-2019 07:01 PM
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Originally Posted by 2Face (Post 742769)
That’s why I say it’s definitely Possible IF we put collective efforts on pushing Democrats to go to White House and hash out a deal, but we have to pressure them. There is no time to continue bashing the Pres (he doesn’t give a shit, he already has a lot of support). If a Trump endorsed compromise were to pass he’d score massive points with Hispanic community especially Dreamers (I’m afraid this is what Dems don’t want and hence it will be tough to convince them to do something)
I don't think that's very likely tactic for dems. They pass dream act they keep their voters. They go against the dream act they will lose latino voters, more than the amount Trump would gain if he passes DA.

The problem is a compromise because you know Trump will ask for a lot, it's just how he's always done deals. With Miller on top he's going to ask for too much. Dems will say no and nothing happens. Mitch won't do anything because he'll just say president won't sign. If Trump uses his strong arm tactic like he does with China, nothing will pass in Congress. This is my worst feasible fear.

vft1008 11-12-2019 07:17 PM
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Originally Posted by 2Face (Post 742777)
They need to do it again and cave into ALL Demands in exchange for permanent legalization for us (they will not be doing this)
You're a special kind of dumbass, aren't you? That ain't never gonna happen. Tell me... Cite a case in the last 20 years when a party in congress has caved to all demands of another to reach a solution. Please. Go spit your shit elsewhere.

2Face 11-12-2019 07:50 PM
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Originally Posted by vft1008 (Post 742788)
You're a special kind of dumbass, aren't you? That ain't never gonna happen. Tell me... Cite a case in the last 20 years when a party in congress has caved to all demands of another to reach a solution. Please. Go spit your shit elsewhere.
That’s why I said at the end they will not be doing this. You’re a little punk. Get out of that little box you’re living in.

DogJuiceMan 11-12-2019 09:05 PM
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All you here complaining about DACA dying.

Unfortunately congress is so backwards that it only responds in cases of emergency. DACA must die for us to get anywhere. This is a maximum sphincter puckering event, but one that must happen.

2Face 11-12-2019 09:11 PM
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Originally Posted by DogJuiceMan (Post 742802)
All you whiny bitches in here boo hooing about DACA dying.

Unfortunately congress is so retarded that it only responds in cases of emergency. DACA must die for us to get anywhere. This is a maximum sphincter puckering event, but one that must happen.
Dumbass mofos have a very thick head to understand this. They're stuck in the 19th century whining like little bitches. This MUST MUST happen in order for this corrupt Congress to act. We have our last chance to renew for final 2 years, this shit must end in order for a bill to pass.

DogJuiceMan 11-12-2019 09:12 PM
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Originally Posted by 2Face (Post 742803)
Dumbass mofos have a very thick head to understand this. They're stuck in the 19th century whining like little bitches. This MUST MUST happen in order for this corrupt Congress to act. We have our last chance to renew for final 2 years, this shit must end in order for a bill to pass.
Don't get me wrong I would love a smooth transition to happen. But that doesn't seem likely.

legendver2 11-12-2019 10:27 PM
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What I would give to have the Infinity Stones and snap us all some citizenship.

JavierHTx 11-12-2019 11:03 PM
Re: Supreme Court appears closely divided over Trump’s termination of DACA
 
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Originally Posted by 2Face (Post 742803)
Dumbass mofos have a very thick head to understand this. They're stuck in the 19th century whining like little bitches. This MUST MUST happen in order for this corrupt Congress to act. We have our last chance to renew for final 2 years, this shit must end in order for a bill to pass.
Don’t you get tired of being a dancing monkey for conservatives?

DogJuiceMan 11-13-2019 06:49 PM
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Originally Posted by legendver2 (Post 742826)
What I would give to have the Infinity Stones and snap us all some citizenship.
Just apply for citizenship.

This is actually what republicans think we're "unwilling" to do. They legit believe this.


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