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VJB2 06-19-2020 10:31 AM

Trump says he will renew effort to end DACA protections
 
It was a good pause for celebration.

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WASHINGTON (AP) — President Donald Trump said Friday that he will renew his administration’s effort to end legal protections for young immigrants after the Supreme Court blocked the first try.

In a tweet Friday morning, Trump said, “The Supreme Court asked us to resubmit on DACA, nothing was lost or won. They “punted” much like in a football game (where hopefully they would stand for our great American Flag). We will be submitting enhanced papers shortly.”

The high court on Thursday ruled that Trump improperly ended the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals program in 2017. Chief Justice John Roberts joined the four liberal justices in the 5-4 majority, while the conservative justices called DACA illegal.

Trump could still take away the ability for hundreds of thousands of them to live and work legally in the United States. With no legislative answer in sight, that means the uncertainty of the last eight years isn’t over for many who know of nowhere else as home.

Activists are vowing to keep fighting for a long-term solution for 650,000 immigrants who were brought to the country as children. They face a White House that’s prioritized immigration restrictions and a divided Congress that’s unlikely to pass legislation giving them a path to citizenship anytime soon.

Ken Cuccinelli, acting head of U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services, said Friday that the administration was starting over. “We’re going to move as quickly as we can to put options in front of the president,” but those are executive branch options, he told “Fox & Friends.”

“That still leaves open the appropriate solution which the Supreme Court mentioned and that is that Congress step up to the plate,” he said.

Cuccinelli said Sen. Dick Durbin, D-Ill., made some positive comments in that direction on on Thursday so the administration thinks it’s possible for a constructive conversation with Congress.

Trump slammed the court ruling, tweeting: “These horrible & politically charged decisions coming out of the Supreme Court are shotgun blasts into the face of people that are proud to call themselves Republicans or Conservatives,” apparently also referring to a ruling this week that said it’s illegal to fire people because they’re gay or transgender.

But experts say there isn’t enough time to knock down the 8-year-old program before the November election and doubt the government would try because DACA is popular with voters.

The court decision elicited surprise, joy and then apprehension from immigrants and advocates who know it’s only a temporary solution.

“This is a huge victory for us,” Diana Rodriguez, a 22-year-old DACA recipient, said through tears.

Rodriguez, who works with the New York Immigration Coalition, said she hasn’t been to Mexico since she was brought to the U.S. at age 2. The ruling means young immigrants can keep working, providing for their families and making “a difference in this country,” she said.

But the work isn’t over, Rodriguez said: “We can’t stop right now, we have to continue fighting.”

Congressional Democrats, meanwhile, appeared satisfied to let the court’s decision stand as the law of the land for now.

While Republicans protested that now, if ever, was the time for Congress to clarify the immigration system, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi made it clear that Democrats were done with their legislation before the summer break and had little interest in meeting GOP demands to fund Trump’s long-promised border wall as part of any comprehensive immigration overhaul.

“There isn’t anybody in the immigration community that wants us to trade a wall for immigration,” she said.

Pelosi was reminded that Trump has said he wants immigration reform. “We’ll see,” she said, noting how few days remain on the legislative calendar. “I don’t know what the president meant — maybe he doesn’t either.”


Democratic presidential contender Joe Biden said that if elected, he would send lawmakers proposed legislation on his first day in office to make DACA protections permanent.

The program grew out of an impasse over a comprehensive immigration bill between Congress and the Obama administration in 2012. Under intense pressure from young activists, President Barack Obama decided to formally protect people from deportation and allow them to work legally in the U.S.

Immigrants who are part of DACA will keep those protections, but there are tens of thousands of others who could have enrolled if Trump didn’t halt the program three years ago.

The Migration Policy Institute, a nonpartisan think tank, estimates that about 66,000 young immigrants meet the age requirement to join the program — 15 — but haven’t been able to do so because the government has only been renewing two-year permits for those already enrolled.

The Coalition for Humane Immigrant Rights has filed a DACA application for a person who’s not part of the program already, legal services director Luis Perez said, though U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services hasn’t signaled whether it will accept any.

“The circuit courts have already told USCIS you must accept renewals. Now that there’s been a Supreme Court decision, really the instructions are gonna be you need to bring back the program in full effect,” Perez said.

It’s unlikely the Trump administration will take new applications without being forced by the courts.

USCIS deputy director for policy Joseph Edlow said in a statement that the court’s opinion “has no basis in law and merely delays the president’s lawful ability to end the illegal Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals amnesty program.”

A spokesperson said the agency was reviewing the decision and had no further comment.

And so the ups and downs continue, many coming from Trump himself. During the 2016 campaign, he vowed to repeal DACA. After his election, he softened his stance, saying at one point that DACA recipients had nothing to worry about. But under pressure from hard-liners, he announced in 2017 that he was ending the program.

Reyna Montoya, a DACA recipient from the Phoenix area who leads an immigrant rights advocacy organization, said she and others will keep pushing Congress to take up legislation addressing young immigrants.

“At this moment, the Senate needs to act, needs to come up with a proposal that will give us a path to citizenship,” Montoya said.
Source: https://apnews.com/230d0b51f9f27dc07...&utm_medium=AP

frbc13 06-19-2020 10:36 AM

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“There isn’t anybody in the immigration community that wants us to trade a wall for immigration,” she said."


I do

2Face 06-19-2020 10:40 AM

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"Democrats are done with legislation..."

Did they even get started? lol.

2MoreYears 06-19-2020 10:46 AM

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"resubmit" did SCOTUS actually said that? He's so full of crap, he thinks it is a job application.

JayR9 06-19-2020 10:48 AM

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https://mobile.twitter.com/BarackOba...37590013480961

Asking Biden to finish legalizing us!!!

JayR9 06-19-2020 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by 2Face (Post 748864)
"Democrats are done with legislation..."

Did they even get started? lol.

Mmm you mean that one time they gave the full $25 bil and Trump was like no way they just gave me what I asked for, I have to ask more because I’m a dumb cunt.

2Face 06-19-2020 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by JayR9 (Post 748872)
Mmm you mean that one time they gave the full $25 bil and Trump was like no way they just gave me what I asked for, I have to ask more because I’m a dumb cunt.

Pelosi and Schumer walked away as soon as the courts stepped in to freeze the ending of DACA coz it bought them time. They are not entirely innocent those two.

vft1008 06-19-2020 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by 2Face (Post 748876)
Pelosi and Schumer walked away as soon as the courts stepped in to freeze the ending of DACA coz it bought them time. They are not entirely innocent those two.

It makes no sense to give Trump a huge victory right before the general election.

He also had many chances to negotiate IN GOOD FAITH early on and clearly failed. It is better to wait after the election to be strategic.

Pianoswithoutfaith 06-19-2020 11:51 AM

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Remember that one time democrats gave trump his wall money in exchange for DA and trump agreed. Then the next day he said “fuck no and call 2Face to spread it now!! 4 pillars NOW”

2Face 06-19-2020 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Pianoswithoutfaith (Post 748888)
Remember that one time democrats gave trump his wall money in exchange for DA and trump agreed. Then the next day he said “fuck no and call 2Face to spread it now!! 4 pillars NOW”

There you are ...still upset at the prospect of Dreamer legalization. How many times should we tell you...Dreamers are currently number 1 in line to be legalized..AND THEN the rest of the undocumented can be legalized.

Got_Daca 06-19-2020 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by 2MoreYears (Post 748870)
"resubmit" did SCOTUS actually said that? He's so full of crap, he thinks it is a job application.

Trump cant even distinguish between Hanen court and SCOTUS

2Face 06-19-2020 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by vft1008 (Post 748881)
It makes no sense to give Trump a huge victory right before the general election.

He also had many chances to negotiate IN GOOD FAITH early on and clearly failed. It is better to wait after the election to be strategic.

Sorry to break it to you, its not like he has "lost." His base is now even stronger and even more emboldened because they see he tried but the SCOTUS beat him. If he wanted to end it, he would have gone the executive order way. This is big politics. If Dems want to win and beat him they better get going on Dreamer legalization and not sit back and "wait for the elections." Now is their true test..please come back defending them when they introduce legislation in the senate and house.

Chn 06-19-2020 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by 2Face (Post 748894)
Now is their true test..please come back defending them when they introduce legislation in the senate and house.

They passed the American Dream and Promise Act last year in the House H.R. 6

2Face 06-19-2020 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Chn (Post 748899)
They passed the American Dream and Promise Act last year in the House H.R. 6

That is for show. They knew the votes are not there in the Senate. It's big politics. Don't expect anything from Democrats. DACA is here to stay forever and UWD will make sure it remains in place forever so they can continue milking donations to "fight for Dream Act."

JayR9 06-19-2020 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by 2Face (Post 748876)
Pelosi and Schumer walked away as soon as the courts stepped in to freeze the ending of DACA coz it bought them time. They are not entirely innocent those two.

I would too. Anytime I deal with a hoe who gets too greedy in a negotiation. I walk away esp when they lost their leverage. I wasn't down with the four pillars. Trump can fuck off. Miller can continue sucking his dick until they get booted out of white house this november.

JayR9 06-19-2020 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by 2Face (Post 748901)
That is for show. They knew the votes are not there in the Senate. It's big politics. Don't expect anything from Democrats. DACA is here to stay forever and UWD will make sure it remains in place forever so they can continue milking donations to "fight for Dream Act."

That's right. that's why we need them to take back the senate. then democrats have no excuses.

VJB2 06-19-2020 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by 2Face (Post 748894)
Sorry to break it to you, its not like he has "lost." His base is now even stronger and even more emboldened because they see he tried but the SCOTUS beat him. If he wanted to end it, he would have gone the executive order way. This is big politics. If Dems want to win and beat him they better get going on Dreamer legalization and not sit back and "wait for the elections." Now is their true test..please come back defending them when they introduce legislation in the senate and house.

You mean this? Are you not aware of this bill? Please clarify what other legislations you want them to introduce...?
https://i.imgur.com/FcD34JF.jpg

2Face 06-19-2020 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by JayR9 (Post 748905)
That's right. that's why we need them to take back the senate. then democrats have no excuses.

Not only take it back but with full proof filibuster proof (Not only 6o but like 65)..5 Democrats killed the last Dream Act vote i believe in 2010.

2Face 06-19-2020 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by VJB2 (Post 748907)
You mean this? Are you not aware of this bill? Please clarify what other legislations you want them to introduce...?
https://i.imgur.com/FcD34JF.jpg

This is good, now time to put it into action. No more words. Democrats..this is their moment of truth..if they want to win and us to support them, time to go at it right now not "Wait for the elections" like Phancy Schmelosi wants to do.

VJB2 06-19-2020 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by 2Face (Post 748909)
This is good, now time to put it into action. No more words. Democrats..this is their moment of truth..if they want to win and us to support them, time to go at it right now not "Wait for the elections" like Phancy Schmelosi wants to do.

Correction: if they want YOU to support them.

And did you skim over the last sentence? How do you suggest McConnell brings up the bills they HAVE passed in the House for a vote? On a platter? On his decaying body?

vft1008 06-19-2020 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by 2Face (Post 748909)
This is good, now time to put it into action. No more words. Democrats..this is their moment of truth..if they want to win and us to support them, time to go at it right now not "Wait for the elections" like Phancy Schmelosi wants to do.

Dude. Come on. You know the Senate is controlled by the Turtle, right? Get your mental ducks in a row.

The hurdle here is not Dems moving on this. It's this not passing the Senate and then getting signed into law by the Trump Admin. Those are the hurdles. It will never happen due to Republicans!

Jesus Christ. Get your brain checked.

2Face 06-19-2020 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by vft1008 (Post 748925)
Dude. Come on. You know the Senate is controlled by the Turtle, right? Get your mental ducks in a row.

The hurdle here is not Dems moving on this. It's this not passing the Senate and then getting signed into law by the Trump Admin. Those are the hurdles. It will never happen due to Republicans!

Jesus Christ. Get your brain checked.

That is the excuse the Dems give to you and you eat it up all the damn time. Where there is a will there is a way...Schumer and Durbin have enough power to get things rolling, but they are not going to be doing that. This conversation is not going anywhere. Just let it be and enjoy your forever EAD, that's what you wanted right...You got it, you won.

cmeow 06-19-2020 01:02 PM

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McConnell & Senate republicans have not made a counter offer. Trump has not made a counter offer either but threatened to end DACA again. No one knows exactly what they want in return so the democrats will do nothing. They win by default unless republicans give them a good DACA deal and they reject it.

I think some people in the Senate are starting to worry about their own election chances so hopefully they put some pressure on McConnell to do something.

There's not a lot of days on the legislative calendar left. Tick tick, tick tock.

2Face 06-19-2020 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by cmeow (Post 748927)
McConnell & Senate republicans have not made a counter offer. Trump has not made a counter offer either but threatened to end DACA again. No one knows exactly what they want in return so the democrats will do nothing. They win by default unless republicans give them a good DACA deal and they reject it.

I think some people in the Senate are starting to worry about their own election chances so hopefully they put some pressure on McConnell to do something.

There's not a lot of days on the legislative calendar left. Tick tick, tick tock.

This is the best assessment I've seen thus far. And once something is proposed, watch those Dems very closely. They will try to act like they care and try to back out slowly. Dems need to initiate some pressure now on Mitchy and Company.

Outsider626 06-19-2020 01:07 PM

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https://snipboard.io/7AmEaL.jpg

PapiChulo 06-19-2020 01:17 PM

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“this is all 4D Chess my guy.”

JayR9 06-19-2020 01:30 PM

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Republican are not going to come up with anything worth wild for daca. They a sinking ship this Nov. You can come back and talk about Dem not moving on DACA in 2021 when they have majority control and the presidency.

cmeow 06-19-2020 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by 2Face (Post 748928)
This is the best assessment I've seen thus far. And once something is proposed, watch those Dems very closely. They will try to act like they care and try to back out slowly. Dems need to initiate some pressure now on Mitchy and Company.

Mitch himself is up for re-election so it'll be an interesting time. I don't see him make any comments on DACA, only talks about judges on his twitter. If dems reject a good DACA deal then Trump will unload on them and hopefully that's enough to actually get something passed.

By good deal, I mean you can't even argue it's a bad deal. Just some money for whatever project (most likely border security) for USA ACT or better. If the deal tries to touch any immigration law, then dems have a reason to reject it and they probably will. Really the best move politically is to do nothing until after the election for dems, they have the upper hand in this situation.

I just don't think you'll get Miller & Co's approval so chances are slim unless they're pushed to the side. If Trump gives a good deal, dems might take it. Both sides will brag but Trump will win back latino votes before 2020. Taking DACA away is also important because DACA enjoys a lot of support. Trying to kill DACA a second time without any good deals to offer will lose the latino vote for sure and that has very strong implications. One senator in Texas (Cornyn) is up for re-election and he might lose because of it.

Pianoswithoutfaith 06-19-2020 01:39 PM

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2Face

“Democrats need to act up!!“

Democratic controlled house passed DA, waiting for senate to act up


2Face “Democrats are weak!!”


Can we ban 2Face? He clearly isn’t a dreamer. This amount of trolling that guy who always posted whatever it takes got banned for

freshh. 06-19-2020 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by vft1008 (Post 748881)
It makes no sense to give Trump a huge victory right before the general election.

He also had many chances to negotiate IN GOOD FAITH early on and clearly failed. It is better to wait after the election to be strategic.

Which is what will end up happening. Hopefully, there is a change in administrations and Biden keeps his promise to deal with this immediately.

I'm taking this as posturing. Should they decide to pursue termination, they will have to follow the APA which requires a two-month commenting period which will be followed by a similar wind-down of the program. That's too close to the election and with this being a program supported by 85% of likely voters, could put the Senate in jeopardy.

cmeow 06-19-2020 01:56 PM

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So from Trump's tweet he's met with some people and got more understanding of what the SC ruling is. It also tells me that Miller & Co. are fully in charge of immigration policy at the WH. A good chance nothing will happen until after the election and sadly for Trump, he will lose latino votes.

2Face 06-19-2020 01:57 PM

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I just cannot believe I'm seeing people here say "No point in giving Trump a victory" so we will wait after election. You better be prepared for a possible Trump victory then. He's only getting stronger by the hour.

2Face 06-19-2020 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Pianoswithoutfaith (Post 748933)
2Face

“Democrats need to act up!!“

Democratic controlled house passed DA, waiting for senate to act up


2Face “Democrats are weak!!”


Can we ban 2Face? He clearly isn’t a dreamer. This amount of trolling that guy who always posted whatever it takes got banned for

I have screenshots of you making vile/racist remarks about black people just because I am from Kenya. I will blast those on social media if I get banned and we all know what the internet can do. You are the one who needs to be banned you UWD anti-Dream Act legislation spy.

#BanTheRacistsPianoandGotDACA!
#DefundUWD!!

JayR9 06-19-2020 02:12 PM

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we all thought the latino vote was so crucial but 2016 they didn't do anything.

2Face 06-19-2020 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by JayR9 (Post 748939)
we all thought the latino vote was so crucial but 2016 they didn't do anything.

Exactly. Nobody came out to vote for Hillary. Trump's support with his base is growing by the hour. Its not about the total votes. It's about the electoral college. And in those rural areas he is getting a lot of support.

cmeow 06-19-2020 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by JayR9 (Post 748939)
we all thought the latino vote was so crucial but 2016 they didn't do anything.

People that don't vote will when it starts to affect them personally. No one has seen such anti-hispanic rhetoric in recent memory. Hillary was deeply unpopular. I think there will be more hispanic votes in 2020.

Pianoswithoutfaith 06-19-2020 02:27 PM

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People will vote this time. Too many issues are affecting them now

Demise 06-19-2020 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by JayR9 (Post 748939)
we all thought the latino vote was so crucial but 2016 they didn't do anything.

Honestly 2016 election was weird because you had the underdog outsider vs victim of 25 years of republican propaganda.

2018 election is more worth to look at where AZ swung in the senate and sent a 5-4 delegation to the house.

In order to win the presidency Biden just needs to get MI and PA back (he's doing well in both) and then snag 2 more electors, minimum possible here being ME-02 and NE-02, or more realistically any of the following states: FL, IA, OH, NC, AZ, or WI.

Senate is a bit harder since democrats will likely need to pick up ME, CO, AZ, and NC.

VJB2 06-19-2020 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by 2Face (Post 748940)
Exactly. Nobody came out to vote for Hillary. Trump's support with his base is growing by the hour. Its not about the total votes. It's about the electoral college. And in those rural areas he is getting a lot of support.

Nobody? You lack both awareness and education if you don’t know she won the popular vote by millions.

I can’t stop laughing. Just leave.

legendver2 06-19-2020 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by 2Face (Post 748940)
Exactly. Nobody came out to vote for Hillary. Trump's support with his base is growing by the hour. Its not about the total votes. It's about the electoral college. And in those rural areas he is getting a lot of support.

I dunno what you're smoking, but his base hasn't grown since 2016. I might even say he lost some support judging from that lady who claims he's not hurting the people he's suppose to hurt, but I'm not gonna hold my breath for that. But the majority of independent and sane conservative voters are either not gonna vote, or throwing it in for Biden.

You got the Mooch starting a Super PAC for Biden, going around battleground states to help Biden. You got the Lincoln Project throwing their endorsement to Biden. You got Bush 2 and Romney, while not stating their support for Biden, stated that they won't support Trump. You got Fox News polls showing Biden is leading 10+ points in the age 65+ demo over Trump. Even OAN, who claimed they will do a poll that's favorable to Trump, took down said report after realizing that they're essentially tied in some county (forgot which) in Florida, and might even swing Biden just by a little with decided voters.

The shift is changing, and refusing to see that is foolish. Should be we complacent? Of course now, since nothing is for sure until November, not to mention the cheating that's most likely going around. But to say in general support for Trump is growing is just delusional, and misguided at best.


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