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Outsider626 06-21-2020 01:33 PM

Acting DHS chief Chad Wolf calls DACA 'unlawful'
 
Acting Secretary of Homeland Security Chad Wolf said Sunday the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) program is “unlawful,” just days after the Supreme Court blocked the Trump administration from ending the program.

“What we know is the program is clearly unlawful. And I would point you back to the Supreme Court decision. At no point in that decision did they say that the program was lawful. They simply didn't like the rationale and the procedures that we used. And I find that a little troubling,” Wolf said on NBC’s “Meet the Press.”

Wolf said the Trump administration is seeking other ways to end the Obama-era program that shields nearly 700,000 young undocumented immigrants from deportation.

“We're continuing to look at the opinion that the court produced this week, making sure that we adhere to that. But we are going to end an unlawful program,” Wolf said. “As the acting secretary of Homeland Security, I don't have the luxury to ignore the law. The program's unlawful. We need to solve it. The president's begging Congress, has been for the last two and a half years to solve this problem. We're willing to sit down at the table and negotiate with them.”

https://thehill.com/homenews/adminis...-blocked-trump

jwxie518 06-21-2020 01:49 PM

Re: Acting DHS chief Chad Wolf calls DACA 'unlawful'
 
WOLF is an unlawful last name.

bigdreamer2010 06-21-2020 01:49 PM

Re: Acting DHS chief Chad Wolf calls DACA 'unlawful'
 
We’re not going anywhere. Trump can resubmit a new rationale to remove DACA but we’ll see something like what happened with the travel ban (https://www.aclu-wa.org/pages/timeline-muslim-ban)

(1) trump reiusses new executive order
(2) executive order gets blocked by our friends in Hawaii or San Francisco and nation wide injunctuon prevents him from ending it
(3) trump appeals and the case lands in the court of appeals court. Our friends in the 9th circuit agree with the lower court and the injunction remains
(4) trump appeals to the Supreme Court
(5) the Supreme Court can accept or decline. That’ll be the wild card but it took 6 months last time for the travel ban to bubble up to the Supreme Court

Anyway we’re good through the election even if trump issues “enhanced papers” on DACA.

2Face 06-21-2020 02:13 PM

Re: Acting DHS chief Chad Wolf calls DACA 'unlawful'
 
Congress needs to get to work and pass something immediately while we have a chance.

sk16 06-21-2020 02:15 PM

Re: Acting DHS chief Chad Wolf calls DACA 'unlawful'
 
so what does this mean? can they not reinstate the program to the original state in the meantime?

Pianoswithoutfaith 06-21-2020 02:49 PM

Re: Acting DHS chief Chad Wolf calls DACA 'unlawful'
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by sk16 (Post 749164)
so what does this mean? can they not reinstate the program to the original state in the meantime?

Yes, for the time being, DACA goes to what it was before 2Face lord and savior, Trump ended it. However, that is just in theory

justjohnjustice1988 06-22-2020 04:09 AM

Re: Acting DHS chief Chad Wolf calls DACA 'unlawful'
 
Yes people, DACA is unlawful.

Why do you think we need a permanent solution?

I swear yall social justice warriors are ruining everything these days.

Everyone is offended by this assertion when in fact it is the truth. Why are we pushing for legislation then? Because DACA was created by executive fiat and it can be rescinded by executive fiat.

Leftists Millennials and Generation Z are the worst people when it comes to knowing what a law is and what the US Consititution actually says. Read a book and stop wasting your time on Tik Tok!

Trumps gonna cream Sleepy Joe on election day. Mark my words.

justjohnjustice1988 06-22-2020 04:12 AM

Re: Acting DHS chief Chad Wolf calls DACA 'unlawful'
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by bigdreamer2010 (Post 749161)
We’re not going anywhere. Trump can resubmit a new rationale to remove DACA but we’ll see something like what happened with the travel ban (https://www.aclu-wa.org/pages/timeline-muslim-ban)

(1) trump reiusses new executive order
(2) executive order gets blocked by our friends in Hawaii or San Francisco and nation wide injunctuon prevents him from ending it
(3) trump appeals and the case lands in the court of appeals court. Our friends in the 9th circuit agree with the lower court and the injunction remains
(4) trump appeals to the Supreme Court
(5) the Supreme Court can accept or decline. That’ll be the wild card but it took 6 months last time for the travel ban to bubble up to the Supreme Court

Anyway we’re good through the election even if trump issues “enhanced papers” on DACA.

I love how you say "our friends in Hawaii or San Francisco.

San Francisco: where people shit on the streets and shoot up in plain daylight.

With those kinds of "friends" in leftist activist judges, I'd rather not have any friends at all and keep using the toilet.

#CaliforniaIsAShitholeThanksToLiberalPolicies

JayR9 06-22-2020 05:12 AM

Re: Acting DHS chief Chad Wolf calls DACA 'unlawful'
 
Lol I’m sure the silent majority will help Trump cause that TULSA rally was weak. Jk he has no chance.

dreamer12345 06-22-2020 08:15 AM

Re: Acting DHS chief Chad Wolf calls DACA 'unlawful'
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Outsider626 (Post 749159)
Acting Secretary of Homeland Security Chad Wolf said Sunday the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) program is “unlawful,” just days after the Supreme Court blocked the Trump administration from ending the program.

“What we know is the program is clearly unlawful. And I would point you back to the Supreme Court decision. At no point in that decision did they say that the program was lawful. They simply didn't like the rationale and the procedures that we used. And I find that a little troubling,” Wolf said on NBC’s “Meet the Press.”

Wolf said the Trump administration is seeking other ways to end the Obama-era program that shields nearly 700,000 young undocumented immigrants from deportation.

“We're continuing to look at the opinion that the court produced this week, making sure that we adhere to that. But we are going to end an unlawful program,” Wolf said. “As the acting secretary of Homeland Security, I don't have the luxury to ignore the law. The program's unlawful. We need to solve it. The president's begging Congress, has been for the last two and a half years to solve this problem. We're willing to sit down at the table and negotiate with them.”

https://thehill.com/homenews/adminis...-blocked-trump

What part of the word illegal don't these criminal cons understand? If they would get their collective mouths off Donnie's dick for a second they wouldn't be hypoxic & spouting nonsensical opinions just to please their Fuhrer. A lawful EO is a lawful EO.

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigdreamer2010 (Post 749161)
We’re not going anywhere. Trump can resubmit a new rationale to remove DACA but we’ll see something like what happened with the travel ban (https://www.aclu-wa.org/pages/timeline-muslim-ban)

(1) trump reiusses new executive order
(2) executive order gets blocked by our friends in Hawaii or San Francisco and nation wide injunctuon prevents him from ending it
(3) trump appeals and the case lands in the court of appeals court. Our friends in the 9th circuit agree with the lower court and the injunction remains
(4) trump appeals to the Supreme Court
(5) the Supreme Court can accept or decline. That’ll be the wild card but it took 6 months last time for the travel ban to bubble up to the Supreme Court

Anyway we’re good through the election even if trump issues “enhanced papers” on DACA.

Basically this, go ahead Donnie, write your new EO, see if the supreme court will hear you out before November. You should be booking flights to Moscow for your family and Billy Barr instead.

DACAgogue 06-22-2020 08:25 AM

Re: Acting DHS chief Chad Wolf calls DACA 'unlawful'
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by justjohnjustice1988 (Post 749192)
Yes people, DACA is unlawful.

Why do you think we need a permanent solution?

I swear yall social justice warriors are ruining everything these days.

Everyone is offended by this assertion when in fact it is the truth. Why are we pushing for legislation then? Because DACA was created by executive fiat and it can be rescinded by executive fiat.

Leftists Millennials and Generation Z are the worst people when it comes to knowing what a law is and what the US Consititution actually says. Read a book and stop wasting your time on Tik Tok!

Trumps gonna cream Sleepy Joe on election day. Mark my words.

Cite the statute that you’re referencing that makes DACA illegal? Or where in the INA can you find the rationale. I want to see if you’re pea sized brain is capable of thinking or you only can spew right wing talking points

2Face 06-22-2020 11:48 AM

Re: Acting DHS chief Chad Wolf calls DACA 'unlawful'
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by justjohnjustice1988 (Post 749192)
Yes people, DACA is unlawful.

Why do you think we need a permanent solution?

I swear yall social justice warriors are ruining everything these days.

Everyone is offended by this assertion when in fact it is the truth. Why are we pushing for legislation then? Because DACA was created by executive fiat and it can be rescinded by executive fiat.

Leftists Millennials and Generation Z are the worst people when it comes to knowing what a law is and what the US Consititution actually says. Read a book and stop wasting your time on Tik Tok!

Trumps gonna cream Sleepy Joe on election day. Mark my words.

100%. DACA was always meant to be temporary, it was meant to give Congress little bit time to pass legislation but Congress took it the wrong way and refused to do anything! Judging on how happy Schumer was on the SCOTUS decision, I'm afraid we're headed down the same path all over again. Do not think I'm against DACA. I'm just more for legislation. Far left immigration groups absolutely love DACA and want it to remain in place forever. Its very sad. Now..I'll save y'all some energy and call myself a "Trumper." SMH.

Afridi786 06-22-2020 12:02 PM

Re: Acting DHS chief Chad Wolf calls DACA 'unlawful'
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by 2Face (Post 749206)
100%. DACA was always meant to be temporary, it was meant to give Congress little bit time to pass legislation but Congress took it the wrong way and refused to do anything! Judging on how happy Schumer was on the SCOTUS decision, I'm afraid we're headed down the same path all over again. Do not think I'm against DACA. I'm just more for legislation. Far left immigration groups absolutely love DACA and want it to remain in place forever. Its very sad. Now..I'll save y'all some energy and call myself a "Trumper." SMH.

I don't believe Trump when he says he wants a solution. At least Dems try to pass legislation for us. GOP won't even let people vote on bills. Trump tanked every bipartisan bill out there.

2Face 06-22-2020 12:37 PM

Re: Acting DHS chief Chad Wolf calls DACA 'unlawful'
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Afridi786 (Post 749207)
I don't believe Trump when he says he wants a solution. At least Dems try to pass legislation for us. GOP won't even let people vote on bills. Trump tanked every bipartisan bill out there.

Trump was not elected to bring a solution for Dreamers then why would you believe him when he said he wants a solution in the first place. He was elected to deport them.

DamLeon123 06-22-2020 02:37 PM

Re: Acting DHS chief Chad Wolf calls DACA 'unlawful'
 
Acting Secretary of Homeland Security Chad Wolf does not have an ounce of pride. Stating that the Supreme Court didnt say DACA was lawful. Yeah no shit dumbass it did not say it was UNLAWFUL either

2MoreYears 06-22-2020 02:40 PM

Re: Acting DHS chief Chad Wolf calls DACA 'unlawful'
 
Is DHS chief supposed to be bias? Isn't it illegal to be bias ? I say sue him.

DamLeon123 06-22-2020 02:44 PM

Re: Acting DHS chief Chad Wolf calls DACA 'unlawful'
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by justjohnjustice1988 (Post 749192)
Yes people, DACA is unlawful.

Why do you think we need a permanent solution?

I swear yall social justice warriors are ruining everything these days.

Everyone is offended by this assertion when in fact it is the truth. Why are we pushing for legislation then? Because DACA was created by executive fiat and it can be rescinded by executive fiat.

Leftists Millennials and Generation Z are the worst people when it comes to knowing what a law is and what the US Consititution actually says. Read a book and stop wasting your time on Tik Tok!

Trumps gonna cream Sleepy Joe on election day. Mark my words.

Piss off dumbass. Presidents have had and used defered action for decades.

Smooth 06-22-2020 05:06 PM

Re: Acting DHS chief Chad Wolf calls DACA 'unlawful'
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by justjohnjustice1988 (Post 749192)
Yes people, DACA is unlawful.

Why do you think we need a permanent solution?

I swear yall social justice warriors are ruining everything these days.

Everyone is offended by this assertion when in fact it is the truth. Why are we pushing for legislation then? Because DACA was created by executive fiat and it can be rescinded by executive fiat.

Leftists Millennials and Generation Z are the worst people when it comes to knowing what a law is and what the US Consititution actually says. Read a book and stop wasting your time on Tik Tok!

Trumps gonna cream Sleepy Joe on election day. Mark my words.

No. Daca is lawful because the executive branch has prosecutorial discretion in deciding whom it wants to focus its resources on for deportation.

Please explain why DACA is unlawful. Which constitutional and INA provisions does DACA violate? Article 1, Sec. 8 gives Congress power to regulate naturalization. The INA sets out procedures for naturalization. Nobody is applying for naturalization via daca dude.

We are pushing for a permanent solution because, albeit lawful, forbearance of removal (DACA)is a temporary decision made by the executive branch--a prosecutorial decision that can change by administration solely for political reasons--not reasons based on legality/illegality.

2MoreYears 06-22-2020 05:24 PM

Re: Acting DHS chief Chad Wolf calls DACA 'unlawful'
 
Excatly! The same discretion that Trump is using in todays EO about immigration!.

Demise 06-23-2020 02:11 AM

Re: Acting DHS chief Chad Wolf calls DACA 'unlawful'
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by DamLeon123 (Post 749217)
Acting Secretary of Homeland Security Chad Wolf does not have an ounce of pride. Stating that the Supreme Court didnt say DACA was lawful. Yeah no shit dumbass it did not say it was UNLAWFUL either

In today's news, courts don't rule on matters not before them. Hell, they rarely if ever reach conclusions that weren't spoon fed to them by either party (they can, but they normally don't).

Like there is such thing in dicta where a court makes a legal observation outside the scope of the case but guess what, those don't establish a legal precedent.

justjohnjustice1988 06-24-2020 04:44 AM

Re: Acting DHS chief Chad Wolf calls DACA 'unlawful'
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by 2MoreYears (Post 749218)
Is DHS chief supposed to be bias? Isn't it illegal to be bias ? I say sue him.

Settle down snowflake.

Maybe we should sue you for being so triggered.

justjohnjustice1988 06-24-2020 04:48 AM

Re: Acting DHS chief Chad Wolf calls DACA 'unlawful'
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by DACAgogue (Post 749196)
Cite the statute that you’re referencing that makes DACA illegal? Or where in the INA can you find the rationale. I want to see if you’re pea sized brain is capable of thinking or you only can spew right wing talking points

"Pea sized brain."

Man, you really hurt my feelings...not.

I'm gay and I can tell you that I got more balls than most beta males that are part of the Left and the Trump hating crowd (aka CNN/MS"DNC"/NBC/NPR/etc)

The Left and the Dem apologists always go for "low blows" It doesn't matter one bit.

Your feelings don't matter, facts do.

I will always be Independent, right leaning. The law matters, not feelings.

2MoreYears 06-24-2020 04:21 PM

Re: Acting DHS chief Chad Wolf calls DACA 'unlawful'
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by justjohnjustice1988 (Post 749327)
Settle down snowflake.

Maybe we should sue you for being so triggered.

Mind your own business scarface.

Cloudless 06-24-2020 04:54 PM

Re: Acting DHS chief Chad Wolf calls DACA 'unlawful'
 
You know what is definitely and absolutely unlawful? Trump’s attempt to end DACA. He has to follow the law, but he didn’t. Obama followed the law.


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