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davidrellis 02-11-2021 10:04 PM

Democrats Coalesce Around April Immigration Deadline
 
‘It would be very difficult’: Dems prepare for heartburn over Biden immigration plan

Moving on dual tracks, Democrats eye small, fast immigration wins as they unveil the president's overhaul.

02/11/2021 06:53 PM EST
Rep. Jimmy Gomez speaks during a hearing before the House Oversight and Reform Committee on Aug. 24, 2020 in Washington, D.C.
President Joe Biden’s expansive immigration bill will finally land on Capitol Hill next week. But supporters hoping for sweeping change now that Democrats control all of Washington are in for an early disappointment.

Facing a rapidly approaching April deadline to act, Democrats are instead coalescing around a targeted effort to pass popular immigration bills that already have bipartisan backing, including legislation to provide a pathway to citizenship for the undocumented group known as Dreamers and immigrants from war-torn areas.

The plan is sure to anger some Democrats, who have long pushed for a massive revamp of the nation’s immigration laws and see quick action under Biden as their most likely chance. But several Democrats told POLITICO they’re confronting the political reality — two chambers with very narrow margins — and don’t see a clear path to passage for a major bill.

“My motto is, get something done,” said Rep. Jimmy Gomez (D-Calif.). “Whatever we do, we can't walk away empty-handed.”

Like many other Democrats committed to an immigration overhaul, Gomez didn't publicly close the door to a massive deal, hoping to give Biden's team a chance: “Does it mean a big immigration reform package? Maybe. Does it mean using budget reconciliation? Possibly. Or does it mean individual bills? Could be.”

But Democratic veterans say they learned from the party's big immigration letdown in 2009, the last time it held all levers of power. Rep. Henry Cuellar (D-Texas) said he remembered then-President Barack Obama telling the Congressional Hispanic Caucus about his overhaul plans in April that year. The Blue Dog Democrat then leaned over to a colleague and whispered, “It ain’t gonna happen."

And he warned the same thing could happen under Biden.

"Bottom line is, even when we had a supermajority in a better situation than we’re in right now, we did not pass anything," Cuellar said. “I’m not saying no way, I’m just saying it would be very difficult.”

The divide over how to reshape the nation’s broken immigration system is a well-known Washington tripwire. But the question of whether to pursue a piecemeal approach or take one big swing has fresh urgency with Democrats in charge of Congress and the White House.

Democrats insist they're pursuing a dual-track approach, with Sen. Bob Menendez (D-N.J.) and Rep. Linda Sánchez (D-Calif.) launching a full whip effort for Biden’s comprehensive bill while leadership tees up more narrow proposals for floor time, likely in March.

Brian Deese, director of the White House’s National Economic Council, and Jeff Zients, Biden’s coronavirus coordinator, will meet with the CHC next week. Several Democrats privately said they’re waiting on Biden to publicly signal he’s open to a more step-by-step path — something those close to him have expressed openness to, but the president and White House officials have yet to say outright.

April 1 looms on the calendar as Democrats face mounting pressure from immigration activists to move at least some key priorities. To skip another round of lengthy hearings, the party has to bring immigration-related bills that were passed last year — such as protections for Dreamers or a farm worker modernization bill — to the floor by then.

“I think there is some unity around the idea" of a piecemeal strategy, Congressional Progressive Caucus Chair Pramila Jayapal (D-Wash.) said, while adding she would also push “very, very hard” for the broader plan Biden and his allies plan to release next week.

Jayapal, who started her career in politics as an immigration activist, said Democrats want to push forward on a bigger proposal while moving on a "parallel track" of bringing previously passed smaller bills to the floor.

Those tricky politics have already started playing out on the Hill as Democrats work to finalize their massive $1.9 trillion coronavirus relief bill. The debate raging behind the scenes: whether taxpaying undocumented immigrants should be eligible for the measure's $1,400 stimulus checks.

Top Democrats spent multiple days convincing members of the CHC, led by Gomez, not to offer an amendment on the issue during that bill’s markup this week — a vote that would have been deeply uncomfortable for the party’s centrists.

The California Democrat ultimately decided not to force the vote, and later said in an interview, “It was something that we couldn't reach agreement on.” Gomez added that he hopes to find a place for the measure in future packages and build support for it among his colleagues.

“Latinos in my district, since November, had a 1,000 percent increase in deaths because of Covid,” said Gomez. “And I believe that since these folks are paying taxes, they deserve to get some of those benefits.”

A similar non-binding amendment vote in the Senate last week also showed how sharp the divisions are, with eight Democrats breaking ranks to back a GOP amendment that would have prohibited undocumented immigrants from receiving checks.

Democrats have taken a small step to expand payment access since last year. They negotiated a new provision in December's massive relief bill to fix a glitch that prevented U.S. citizens from receiving stimulus checks if someone in their household was undocumented. And in the Covid package moving through committee this week, Democrats expanded the eligibility pool for households to receive checks to include all children who are U.S. citizens regardless of their parents' immigration status.

“The benchmark is the social security number,” said a White House aide.

President Joe Biden entered office facing demands from immigration advocacy groups to move legislation in his first 100 days, using that window to enact massive policy changes before Congress’ productivity plummets as lawmakers pivot toward the next election cycle.
But friction over the stimulus checks shows that despite party leaders' leftward shift on multiple issues since the Obama years, Democrats are still fractured over how ambitious they can get on immigration.

Biden entered office facing demands from immigration advocacy groups to move legislation in his first 100 days, using that window to enact massive policy changes before Congress’ productivity plummets as lawmakers pivot toward the next election cycle.

And those expectations have sparked a frenzied internal debate over tactics and the timing of Biden’s plans.

“We need to see what combination of bills may indeed get those 60 votes,” said Rep. Judy Chu (D-Calif.), referring to the necessary threshold for Senate passage. Chu said she's hoping that Biden's bill can get there but acknowledged the uphill climb and said "at least there's some alternatives, in case it doesn't."

Chu and other members of the group working on the Biden plan, dubbed “The Closers,” will start what she called "an all-out effort" on the Hill next week after they release the text of the president’s immigration package.

Senior House Democrats highly doubt they could wrangle 218 votes for a massive reform package and think the chances of passage in the 50-50 Senate are next to zero. Still, they’re keeping hope alive for a miracle.

Rep. Pete Aguilar (D-Calif.) said lawmakers are haunted by memories from the Obama administration, when Democrats missed their chance to muscle through immigration reform. Aguilar, a member of leadership, described Biden's White House as learning at least some lessons from the past.

“We are in a different moment in the sense that we have the administration leaning in pretty hard on this topic and moving in sync with us and being so closely aligned,” Aguilar said.

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hDreamer1988 02-11-2021 10:21 PM

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Brian Deese, director of the White House’s National Economic Council, and Jeff Zients, Biden’s coronavirus coordinator, will meet with the CHC next week. Several Democrats privately said they’re waiting on Biden to publicly signal he’s open to a more step-by-step path — something those close to him have expressed openness to, but the president and White House officials have yet to say outright.
Biden already did say he was willing to break up the bill like 3 days after he released his bill.


But finally some kind of movement in immigration. I am not sure if it will go anywhere this time but at least its back in the spotlight.

Anyone else worried about how the increase in illegal border crossings and unaccompanied minors will affect the final bill? I am worried that will help torpid any immigration bill.

Got_Daca 02-11-2021 11:36 PM

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Originally Posted by hDreamer1988 (Post 757377)
Biden already did say he was willing to break up the bill like 3 days after he released his bill.


But finally some kind of movement in immigration. I am not sure if it will go anywhere this time but at least its back in the spotlight.

Anyone else worried about how the increase in illegal border crossings and unaccompanied minors will affect the final bill? I am worried that will help torpid any immigration bill.

F anything else

Just pass DA + whatever

tyler129 02-12-2021 12:30 AM

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Originally Posted by hDreamer1988 (Post 757377)
Anyone else worried about how the increase in illegal border crossings and unaccompanied minors will affect the final bill? I am worried that will help torpid any immigration bill.

caravan doesn't help

Ianus 02-12-2021 12:32 AM

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Gomez didn't publicly close the door to a massive deal, hoping to give Biden's team a chance: “Does it mean a big immigration reform package? Maybe. Does it mean using budget reconciliation? Possibly. Or does it mean individual bills? Could be.”
Probably the best option to get something.

Piecemeal will probably get picked apart. Hopefully the focus can be a consensus of popular bills.

Still, don't see anything that may gain Republican support.

JayR9 02-12-2021 12:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Ianus (Post 757385)
Probably the best option to get something.

Piecemeal will probably get picked apart. Hopefully the focus can be a consensus of popular bills.

Still, don't see anything that may gain Republican support.

republican politicians might be clown but most conservatives actually support dreamers. DACA are more popular than we were 10 years ago.

hDreamer1988 02-12-2021 01:15 AM

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The bill is not done... there will be major changes to get republican support... Age limits, conditional GC, border security, and a lot of other restrictions. They will start working on it next week. But at least the ball is rolling

Outsider626 02-12-2021 02:38 AM

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Originally Posted by hDreamer1988 (Post 757387)
The bill is not done... there will be major changes to get republican support... Age limits, conditional GC, border security, and a lot of other restrictions. They will start working on it next week. But at least the ball is rolling

How you know next week?

Foal Eagle 02-12-2021 03:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Outsider626 (Post 757390)
How you know next week?

He doesn't.

Smooth 02-12-2021 05:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Outsider626 (Post 757390)
How you know next week?

The news said next week

hDreamer1988 02-12-2021 10:49 AM

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its in the article

vft1008 02-12-2021 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by JayR9 (Post 757386)
most conservatives actually support dreamers.

LOL, really? Name one piece of sensible and beneficial legislation to provide relief to Dreamers that Republicans have proposed in good faith within the last 10 years.
You know... something that didn't propose to treat us and keep us second class citizens or make it super easy for us to get deported.

Pianoswithoutfaith 02-12-2021 01:13 PM

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Republicans support dreamers in the sense they’re not actively trying to sue to question daca. Oh wait they are!!


If by conservatives you mean right wing Americans voters yes they do support a path to citizenship but the people in congress do not

2Face 02-12-2021 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Pianoswithoutfaith (Post 757401)
Republicans support dreamers in the sense they’re not actively trying to sue to question daca. Oh wait they are!!


If by conservatives you mean right wing Americans voters yes they do support a path to citizenship but the people in congress do not

Why are you against IMMEDIATE Dreamer legalization?

fl_dreamer 02-12-2021 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by 2Face (Post 757402)
Why are you against IMMEDIATE Dreamer legalization?

I am too! The negative PR is going to be too much to handle. Take the conditional residency -- few years pass on by quickly - not the end of the world.

PapiChulo 02-12-2021 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by fl_dreamer (Post 757403)
I am too! The negative PR is going to be too much to handle. Take the conditional residency -- few years pass on by quickly - not the end of the world.

this user always be worrying about her PR...
bitch, who tf do you think you are? lmaooooo

Outsider626 02-12-2021 02:38 PM

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2Face 02-12-2021 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by fl_dreamer (Post 757403)
I am too! The negative PR is going to be too much to handle. Take the conditional residency -- few years pass on by quickly - not the end of the world.

That conditional residency is immediate legalization...I didn't say immediate "citizenship."

Pianoswithoutfaith 02-12-2021 03:51 PM

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Typical maga 2Face logic

“You’re saying Republicans hate daca and for years have tried to end it?!? Why you against immediate legalization of dreamers?!?”

How do you even manage to make it out of bed with this type of logic

justjohnjustice1988 02-12-2021 04:38 PM

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Ok see you in April Congressional Democrats!

60 votes...60 votes in the US Senate

beingoflight 02-12-2021 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by vft1008 (Post 757400)
LOL, really? Name one piece of sensible and beneficial legislation to provide relief to Dreamers that Republicans have proposed in good faith within the last 10 years.
You know... something that didn't propose to treat us and keep us second class citizens or make it super easy for us to get deported.

"Orange man bad" is all i heard.

Democrats keep falling for the United We Dream sht about legalization for all or nothing.

We must be dealt with separately. Illegals only want to come to the US make their money, send it to their home country and go back. They only need EADs. MANY only want to be here legally and thats it.

Pianoswithoutfaith 02-12-2021 06:34 PM

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That’s it. Time to donate more to UWD

JayR9 02-12-2021 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by vft1008 (Post 757400)
LOL, really? Name one piece of sensible and beneficial legislation to provide relief to Dreamers that Republicans have proposed in good faith within the last 10 years.
You know... something that didn't propose to treat us and keep us second class citizens or make it super easy for us to get deported.

hence I said the politicians are clowns. by conservatives I mean the actual people. Not the dumbfuck trumpers but conservatives. They might not like immigrants but they actually like dreamers.

hDreamer1988 02-12-2021 10:48 PM

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hence I said the politicians are clowns. by conservatives I mean the actual people. Not the dumbfuck trumpers but conservatives. They might not like immigrants but they actually like dreamers.
I agree with your point. The center-right is not opposed to dreamers or dreamers legislation because most of us grew up in America, we have already assimilated, and to them, we are one of them. The problem is, the right-wing of the party is controlling the polls; they are the ones who are getting out to vote and the politicians know this.

JayR9 02-13-2021 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by hDreamer1988 (Post 757423)
I agree with your point. The center-right is not opposed to dreamers or dreamers legislation because most of us grew up in America, we have already assimilated, and to them, we are one of them. The problem is, the right-wing of the party is controlling the polls; they are the ones who are getting out to vote and the politicians know this.

Yeah majority of conservatives are actually sympathetic to dreamers. Politicians are just hijacked by the extremist. That's why I'm hoping for the republican party to break apart or expel the extremist Trumpers and Tea party.

I have a mentor who has been a conservative his whole life. Helped me a lot throughout life. I couldn't graduate without getting a internship from a healthcare organization. I unfortunately had to turn down all the internships that wanted to hire me because they required background check and work authorization. He made a call to his doctor friend and I got a summer internship working at a physicians office to meet my internship requirements. He also vote Democrat in the last two elections even though he hated them.

dreamer12345 02-15-2021 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by tyler129 (Post 757384)
caravan doesn't help

GOP sponsored scaravans never help and are always timed to perfection.

hDreamer1988 02-15-2021 11:53 AM

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Are those stories of unaccompanied minors crossing the border true? I like in the northeast so I am not familiar with thats happening on that side, but I read that there has been an uptick of 6000 unaccompanied minors crossing the US-Mexico border.

If it is true, that is some seriously messed-up shit if you're just sending your kid, alone across the border. How are they going to survive?

fl_dreamer 02-15-2021 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by PapiChulo (Post 757404)
this user always be worrying about her PR...
bitch, who tf do you think you are? lmaooooo

Since you asked, a high tax payer.

@ Admins - I suppose calling someone out of their name isn't worthy of a ban? Oh wait -I remember getting banned for the same.

dreamer12345 02-15-2021 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by hDreamer1988 (Post 757441)
Are those stories of unaccompanied minors crossing the border true? I like in the northeast so I am not familiar with thats happening on that side, but I read that there has been an uptick of 6000 unaccompanied minors crossing the US-Mexico border.

If it is true, that is some seriously messed-up shit if you're just sending your kid, alone across the border. How are they going to survive?

it's true, it's prevented Biden from closing the kiddie camps as they need the capacity. ICE has gone rogue however so they may just be continuing the practice of labeling accompanied minors as "unaccompanied" because they choose to not believe the parents. This practice was in vogue during Donnie's years after they "stopped" family separation.

Got_Daca 02-15-2021 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by fl_dreamer (Post 757442)
Since you asked, a high tax payer.

@ Admins - I suppose calling someone out of their name isn't worthy of a ban? Oh wait -I remember getting banned for the same.

You deserve it though

fl_dreamer 02-15-2021 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Got_Daca (Post 757449)
You deserve it though

who made you God? lol

FeeFiFoFum 02-17-2021 07:15 PM

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The already have DACA recipients info in the system. Just send us greencards!

FLDreamerrr 02-19-2021 12:38 AM

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Originally Posted by FeeFiFoFum (Post 757505)
The already have DACA recipients info in the system. Just send us greencards!

Even if a miracle happened and something did pass , this wouldn’t happen. We would all have to apply and pay a seperate fee , you know how homeland security is

2MoreYears 02-20-2021 12:55 PM

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I'm getting anxious.

dreamer12345 02-25-2021 11:52 PM

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get ready for disappointment, dems just buckled on minimum wage.

JayR9 02-26-2021 01:12 AM

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Originally Posted by dreamer12345 (Post 757661)
get ready for disappointment, dems just buckled on minimum wage.

minimum wage thing is so stupid. it's just going to a be a loop which results in the dollar being worth less.

They need to focus on immigration which will drive up wages as less people will work under the table.

Smooth 02-26-2021 05:33 AM

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Originally Posted by dreamer12345 (Post 757661)
get ready for disappointment, dems just buckled on minimum wage.

Way much more difficult to get done than a major immigration bill.

Smooth 02-26-2021 05:39 AM

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Originally Posted by JayR9 (Post 757663)
minimum wage thing is so stupid. it's just going to a be a loop which results in the dollar being worth less.

They need to focus on immigration which will drive up wages as less people will work under the table.

People do need a better standard of living, but the left seems to leave out the fact that landlords will then increase rents and businesses will increase the prices of their goods and services. CA moved toward increasing its minimum wage, and shit just got more expensive. People make more only to pay higher rents and prices on goods and services lol

Dreamer1980 02-26-2021 08:52 AM

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a $15 minimum wage increase, has a lot of powerful lobbying against it coming into the Republican party. That minimum wage increase will not move the needle in inflection, and it will be a a positive stimulus for the lower wage earners. Tax payers paying welfare to Walmart employees as a result of below livable standard wages is not good economics.

CA - apart from gas taxes at the pump and real state, California has similar prices as the rest of the nation. The major expense in Ca is housing, due to the amount of people that want to live in the state and the restrictive policies to build new housing. I'm very certain that lobbying to restrict new building permits has artificially inflated housing prices and made the cost of living so expensive in Ca not a $15 minimum wage.

That is the truth, political BS aside.

dreamer12345 02-26-2021 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Smooth (Post 757664)
Way much more difficult to get done than a major immigration bill.

surely you jest? Try passing a major immigration bill through reconciliation where you can overrule the parliamentarian.


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