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hDreamer1988 04-01-2021 09:21 PM
Manchin Will to Vote Yes on Immigration
 
https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/...gration-reform

Quote:
Sen. Joe Manchin (D-W.Va.) said on Thursday after visiting the U.S.-Mexico border that it is "past time" for Congress to address immigration reform, including a path to citizenship, and called the border surge a "crisis."

"It is beyond time, past time, to do immigration reform. Immigration reform should be a pathway to citizenship. People that have been here, they might have come here the wrong way but they came here for the right reason," Manchin said during a press conference.

"We have children that came here that have no other home but America.There should be a pathway for that, for our dreamers, he added.

Manchin and Rep. Henry Cuellar (D-Texas) toured the U.S.-Mexico border on Thursday, including taking a helicopter and boat tour with Customs and Border Protection. They also visited a Laredo, Texas, port of entry and met with migrant families.

Manchin, during the press conference, floated a 90-day moratorium on immigration, saying that he was "just throwing out different ideas."

"We've got a human crisis that I'm seeing here ... so if that means shutting everything down for 90 days of how we have people come into our country, sending that message that we're not going to be taking people into this country until we get our ability to make sure we're able to do it and do it right, is that going to put the pressure?" Manchin asked.

"Something has to be done and it has to be expedited. ... This problem is not going away. This problem will not cure itself, I can assure you, and they're coming in droves," he said.

Manchin also backed beefed up border security, more immigration judges and allowing for immigrants to apply for asylum back in their home countries rather than making an often dangerous journey to the United States.

"It would be safer. It would be much more humane. ... It's something that we should be doing," he said.

Manchin, part of a shrinking group of centrist senators, is at the center of the 50-50 Senate, where he has an outsized influence on nearly every policy debate. Cuellar noted near the start of the press conference that Manchin "plays a very important role."

The border trip comes as Biden has come under criticism from Republicans, and Democrats have shown signs of concern about a surge of unaccompanied children arriving along the U.S.-Mexico border.

The U.S. was in custody of at least 15,000 migrant children as of late last week, and the federal government has struggled to secure enough housing for all of them, particularly during the pandemic.

Manchin said that his characterization of the surge as a "crisis," wasn't criticism of Biden.

"When I call this a crisis, I'm not blaming the crisis on the present administration of President Biden, the former administration of President Trump," he said. "This has been a human crisis for a long, long time."

Manchin added that he planned to return to Washington, D.C., and discuss his trip with both Biden and his colleagues.

Biden has proposed a sweeping, comprehensive immigration reform bill, though it's unlikely that could pass in the Senate where 10 GOP votes would be needed. A bipartisan group is also holding talks about a smaller bill that would address immigrants brought into the country illegally as children.

"This can happen," Manchin added about immigration legislation. "Common sense can prevail and that's what we're hopeful for."
There has been a lot of talk on the forum on how Manchin and the blue dogs will vote. This clarifies his position and I think his trip is an actual segway into putting a bipartisan bill on the floor; most likely from his group of 20 centralist senators.

Although its a long shot but as Rudy would say, "There is a non-zero" chance.

It's only 2 months into the administration, there is still lots of time left in the game for something to get done.

glacier1985 04-01-2021 09:36 PM
Re: Manchin Will to Vote Yes on Immigration
 
Nuke that shit !!!!!!
It's time

glacier1985 04-01-2021 09:37 PM
Re: Manchin Will to Vote Yes on Immigration
 
Nuke that shit !!!!!!
The time has come!!

made4u 04-01-2021 10:01 PM
Re: Manchin Will to Vote Yes on Immigration
 
Yeeeee good news. Give me work permit for life and allow me to travel the world. Im too old for this shit. I wanna go see places. I dont care about voting or being a citizen let me live my life see my homeland and my parents.

2MoreYears 04-01-2021 11:13 PM
Re: Manchin Will to Vote Yes on Immigration
 
It feels he's willing to nuke it then...

lakers1824 04-01-2021 11:21 PM
Re: Manchin Will to Vote Yes on Immigration
 
still leaves uf with Tester and Sinema. Manchin voted for comprehensive reform in 2014. Don't remember how Tester voted that year but I recall getting like 60+ votes for that immigration bill. But filibuster isn't going away. Our only hope will be giving Republicans border security in exchange for DACA/TPS legalization. Only way full immigration reform passes for the 11+ million is if Dems win 2-3 more senate seats and keep the house in 22. Odds are they will lose the house thanks to gerrymandering and they are likely to pick up 2-3 seats and possibly lose only 1 if any senate seats in 22. That way they can kill the filibuster and Manchin, Sinema will have no role in deciding the outcome.

jorgeag92 04-01-2021 11:22 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by made4u (Post 759173)
Yeeeee good news. Give me work permit for life and allow me to travel the world. Im too old for this shit. I wanna go see places. I dont care about voting or being a citizen let me live my life see my homeland and my parents.
Your homeland? Isn't your homeland supposed to be here....isnt that why you want a green card? Lol

ElBorra2 04-01-2021 11:50 PM
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Originally Posted by jorgeag92 (Post 759176)
Your homeland? Isn't your homeland supposed to be here....isnt that why you want a green card? Lol
He probably meant motherland.

Got_Daca 04-01-2021 11:53 PM
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Enola gay that shit

Smooth 04-02-2021 05:50 AM
Re: Manchin Will to Vote Yes on Immigration
 
I farted when I read this

2Face 04-02-2021 11:13 AM
Re: Manchin Will to Vote Yes on Immigration
 
Did I forget to mention...by Joey..I meant the big Manchin!

justjohnjustice1988 04-02-2021 05:30 PM
Re: Manchin Will to Vote Yes on Immigration
 
Meh.

Until the border is secured, nothings passing

IamAman 04-02-2021 05:34 PM
Re: Manchin Will to Vote Yes on Immigration
 
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Originally Posted by justjohnjustice1988 (Post 759191)
Meh.

Until the border is secured, nothings passing
The border will never be secured and that's why Republicans use it as a condition to pass immigration reform. Even if by some miracle it would be secure, they'll come up with something else. At this point, eliminating the filibuster is the only way.

vft1008 04-02-2021 06:12 PM
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I'm sick of all this political bullshit. And FUCK Joe Manchin. FUCK him for not voting for the DA in 2010. He's a fucking R in blue clothes.

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2MoreYears 04-02-2021 09:12 PM
Re: Manchin Will to Vote Yes on Immigration
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by justjohnjustice1988 (Post 759191)
Meh.

Until the border is secured, nothings passing
It's all your father's and mother's fault. They're freeloaders and should be deported per your own standards.

dreamer12345 04-03-2021 02:54 PM
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justjohnjustice1988 04-04-2021 06:02 PM
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Originally Posted by 2MoreYears (Post 759198)
It's all your father's and mother's fault. They're freeloaders and should be deported per your own standards.
My mom is actually an LPR.

You have nothing to contribute but to talk smack.

Next!

2Face 04-04-2021 08:02 PM
Re: Manchin Will to Vote Yes on Immigration
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by justjohnjustice1988 (Post 759228)
My mom is actually an LPR.

You have nothing to contribute but to talk smack.

Next!
Dudes quite possibly the worst representation of what a Dreamer should be.

Swim19 04-06-2021 08:48 AM
Re: Manchin Will to Vote Yes on Immigration
 
@CNN
The Senate parliamentarian has ruled that Democrats may amend the budget resolution they used for their Covid-19 relief bill and attach another set of reconciliation instructions to it, according to two sources familiar with the matter https://cnn.it/3rT4rhd

The question is, can they and will they try with with Dream Act/Immigration reform?

frbc13 04-06-2021 09:19 AM
Re: Manchin Will to Vote Yes on Immigration
 
Hiroshima that bihh

2Face 04-06-2021 09:47 AM
Re: Manchin Will to Vote Yes on Immigration
 
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Originally Posted by Swim19 (Post 759262)
@CNN
The Senate parliamentarian has ruled that Democrats may amend the budget resolution they used for their Covid-19 relief bill and attach another set of reconciliation instructions to it, according to two sources familiar with the matter https://cnn.it/3rT4rhd

The question is, can they and will they try with with Dream Act/Immigration reform?
With a 100% certainty they will not be doing anything like that. They're not done squeezing this out as much as possible just yet. They're going to take the long road on DA/Immigration for sure.

Swim19 04-06-2021 09:55 AM
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Originally Posted by 2Face (Post 759264)
With a 100% certainty they will not be doing anything like that. They're not done squeezing this out as much as possible just yet. They're going to take the long road on DA/Immigration for sure.
And if Hanen ends DACA?

2Face 04-06-2021 10:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Swim19 (Post 759265)
And if Hanen ends DACA?
You would think that would make them use the reconciliation method you speak of. Sadly, I just don't see it. I see them going for the long haul 60 votes ....At the very least they should put DA in it.

vft1008 04-06-2021 11:50 AM
Re: Manchin Will to Vote Yes on Immigration
 
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Originally Posted by 2Face (Post 759266)
You would think that would make them use the reconciliation method you speak of. Sadly, I just don't see it. I see them going for the long haul 60 votes ....At the very least they should put DA in it.
Hey hype beast, when is the massive glorious deal happening?

2Face 04-06-2021 11:53 AM
Re: Manchin Will to Vote Yes on Immigration
 
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Originally Posted by vft1008 (Post 759267)
Hey hype beast, when is the massive glorious deal happening?
You tell me big guy...Weren't you the one talkin shit to others because you thought Biden will get you a "Green Card" "first 100 days" ...Now you're crying that "Its been 75 days..." LMFAO....:lol:

Where are your Dems...they have Senate, House, AND WH...yet that Green Card is nowhere to be seen lol....

2Face 04-06-2021 12:00 PM
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I still think a deal is possible and that Joey wants to get something amazing passed...However, I don't think the far left Congressional Dems and big time immigration groups will let that happen...Joey must remain steadfast against these opposers. Chucky needs to grow a pair. Nancy needs to realize they can't kick the can further down the road....

2MoreYears 04-06-2021 12:15 PM
Re: Manchin Will to Vote Yes on Immigration
 
A deal is imminent today hajahahaja

hDreamer1988 04-06-2021 05:00 PM
Re: Manchin Will to Vote Yes on Immigration
 
As long as the border crisis is damaging to the Dems and Biden, the GOP won't deal in good faith, if at all.

Quote:
“Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake”
― Sun Tzu, The Art of War
I am pretty sure most politicians have read the Art of War. Dems are F**king up.. so why help them...

justjohnjustice1988 04-06-2021 05:11 PM
Re: Manchin Will to Vote Yes on Immigration
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by hDreamer1988 (Post 759275)
As long as the border crisis is damaging to the Dems and Biden, the GOP won't deal in good faith, if at all.



I am pretty sure most politicians have read the Art of War. Dems are F**king up.. so why help them...
Biden and the Leftist Democrats are holding themselves accountable only to AOC and the open borders crowd ruining the Democratic Party.

They could care less about what the majority of Americans think about the border crisis.

They know they already lost the House in 2022 and probably the Senate.

That's why they have no incentive to work with Republicans.

Their goal is power and spending trillions of dollars on big government give aways in the name of progressivism.

Total joke.

I hope Sen. Durbin starts negotiations in good faith.

But I'm already planning on no move on DREAM Act/DACA fix.

The Biden Harris administration doesn't care about how bad the border crisis looks.

Shameless

vft1008 04-06-2021 05:14 PM
Re: Manchin Will to Vote Yes on Immigration
 
^Says the guy who said Trump would win. 0 credibility.


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Originally Posted by 2Face (Post 759268)
You tell me big guy...Weren't you the one talkin shit to others because you thought Biden will get you a "Green Card" "first 100 days" ...Now you're crying that "Its been 75 days..." LMFAO....:lol:

Where are your Dems...they have Senate, House, AND WH...yet that Green Card is nowhere to be seen lol....
You just love to make things up in your head. You're so dense. I never said DA would pass within 100 days (show me otherwise). In the other thread, I mentioned Biden has been in office for 75 days to point out how pathetic he's been lately. In your delusional mind though, that means my expectation is for something to pass in under 100 days. Again, you make up what you want in your dense head.

And I never said Ds alone would pass anything. I said Rs would not be there to support and provide votes and as a result, nothing will pass. Again, making things up in your mind.

hDreamer1988 04-06-2021 05:20 PM
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The border is a single issue and I think the Dems have a good chance of retaining the senate. The bills they are pushing are favorable

The house is 50/50 depending on how the dems message and how dirty they want to play it. If the dems are will to step on the GOPs throat with their 2022 messaging, they have a chance of keeping the house. It will be won or lost in the suburbs again.

2Face 04-06-2021 05:48 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by vft1008 (Post 759277)
^Says the guy who said Trump would win. 0 credibility.



You just love to make things up in your head. You're so dense. I never said DA would pass within 100 days (show me otherwise). In the other thread, I mentioned Biden has been in office for 75 days to point out how pathetic he's been lately. In your delusional mind though, that means my expectation is for something to pass in under 100 days. Again, you make up what you want in your dense head.

And I never said Ds alone would pass anything. I said Rs would not be there to support and provide votes and as a result, nothing will pass. Again, making things up in your mind.
Your ass is going to be number 1 in line to get your GC when a massive legalization of Dreamers passes this year....and you know it too...but yet you are here criticizing others who are saying Biden will get something passed. Make up your mind. You're upset when others say Trump will pass something and you're also salty when people say Biden will pass something. Most sour person ever...

2Face 04-06-2021 05:51 PM
Re: Manchin Will to Vote Yes on Immigration
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by justjohnjustice1988 (Post 759276)
Biden and the Leftist Democrats are holding themselves accountable only to AOC and the open borders crowd ruining the Democratic Party.

They could care less about what the majority of Americans think about the border crisis.

They know they already lost the House in 2022 and probably the Senate.

That's why they have no incentive to work with Republicans.

Their goal is power and spending trillions of dollars on big government give aways in the name of progressivism.

Total joke.

I hope Sen. Durbin starts negotiations in good faith.

But I'm already planning on no move on DREAM Act/DACA fix.

The Biden Harris administration doesn't care about how bad the border crisis looks.

Shameless
I seriously think a solid option people should also look into is adjusting via marriage. Seriously, not saying you should marry just for GC...but try to find someone worthwhile, someone special...and if they are a citizen/GC holder, even better. That looks like more promising path forward for Dreamers towards legalization. I personally think the radical left (people who want to "Abolish ICE" like Omar, Tlaib, AOC etc) and UWD will try their level best to prevent anything from passing, but I do have some hope that Joey will work towards brokering a deal...Dicky Durbin is just too soft man...He needs some reinforcement to pass DA fix.

dreamer12345 04-06-2021 06:38 PM
Re: Manchin Will to Vote Yes on Immigration
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by justjohnjustice1988 (Post 759276)
Biden and the Leftist Democrats are holding themselves accountable only to AOC and the open borders crowd ruining the Democratic Party.

They could care less about what the majority of Americans think about the border crisis.

They know they already lost the House in 2022 and probably the Senate.

That's why they have no incentive to work with Republicans.

Their goal is power and spending trillions of dollars on big government give aways in the name of progressivism.

Total joke.

I hope Sen. Durbin starts negotiations in good faith.

But I'm already planning on no move on DREAM Act/DACA fix.

The Biden Harris administration doesn't care about how bad the border crisis looks.

Shameless
the "border crisis" only exists on fox news.

vft1008 04-06-2021 09:07 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 2Face (Post 759279)
but yet you are here criticizing others who are saying Biden will get something passed.
Of course! What's there to praise when it comes to Biden!? Biden has shown absolutely no effort to rally senators to bring the necessary votes to have a bill passed for Dreamers. He's done nothing up to this point on that front. If you have evidence that shows otherwise, please post sources and I'll shut my mouth. It's gonna take more than Biden trying for something to pass.

You keep talking about him like he's the key or the magic formula for something good passing for us. He is not negotiating or bringing people to the table. No healing. No bipartisanship as far as I can tell. Especially because R's don't give a shit and don't respect him. He ain't got leverage on the R senators we need and if he did, he's doing jack shit up to this point.

It's actually almost the exact opposite. His weak ass stance and actions on the migrant issue on the border is hurting our chances of something good passing for us.

Meanwhile, those in congress are doing their dog and pony show. Par for the course. It's a total shit show!

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Originally Posted by 2Face (Post 759279)
You're upset when others say Trump will pass something and you're also salty when people say Biden will pass something. Most sour person ever...
You are so dense and narrow minded. I don't have to support Trump or Biden when it comes to me believing one of them will be the cause of legislation passing for us... especially if there is no solid reason or indication to believe that. It does not have to be support one or the other, like your simpleton mind is programmed to believe it is. I can hate on both if I wish. And Trust me, Biden hasn't given me any reason to have faith yet... so I won't. Just saying he supports Dreamers is hot gas. How about some true action for fuck's sake!?

I frankly don't have faith in any current politician. Even Durbin. Decades of trying and what? Nothing. Just has his 10 minute speeches showing pretty portraits of dreamers on the floor over and over. Pathetic.
I respect Obama because he actually got something good done for us. He's got balls.

justjohnjustice1988 04-06-2021 10:58 PM
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Originally Posted by dreamer12345 (Post 759281)
the "border crisis" only exists on fox news.
Ever heard of the internet?

U should watch the videos of those kids being thrown over the border wall.

Maybe that will change ur mind.

Or maybe not.

Mainstream media would be KILLING to report the crisis if this was happening under Trump or any Republican.

It's a crisis and when people like you diminish the suffering of innocent young kids and teenagers only makes u seem more elitist and overly educated thinking you know more than the average US voter.

Biden doesn't care. He should be holding meetings with the Senate, GOP and Dems.

It's estimated 180,000 unaccompanied minors will make it to the border this year.

But of course....don't call it a crisis Psaki :)

justjohnjustice1988 04-06-2021 11:06 PM
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Republicans and /or Democrats in Congress don't care if we get legalized or not.

Their reelection and politics come first.

It is time we all start to realize this.

Let's get our education down, marry or move out of the country.

This country and it's politics are just too much. Utterly ridiculous.

Immigration system is shit, no papers? Sure you can work, no papers? Sure you can attend k-12.

But once we are adults, nope! Go back to cleaning those toilets.

"Dreams are for citizens only."

Total bullshit. We are worth more than just a USCIS piece of paper.

Dems want open borders and citizenship for all or none.

Republicans want to enforce the law and start fresh, but they are also tainted by their business allies who like cheap labor.

USA: you can't have it all: cheap labor but act tough on immigration law.

We must break free.

No matter what

vft1008 04-06-2021 11:07 PM
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^MAGA haiku.

justjohnjustice1988 04-06-2021 11:10 PM
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Originally Posted by vft1008 (Post 759288)
^MAGA haiku.
Nerd.

I had to google "haiku".

Not everyone is an anime aficionado/basement dweller/gamer like yourself .

Thanks for the love

justjohnjustice1988 04-06-2021 11:19 PM
Re: Manchin Will to Vote Yes on Immigration
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by vft1008 (Post 759283)
Of course! What's there to praise when it comes to Biden!? Biden has shown absolutely no effort to rally senators to bring the necessary votes to have a bill passed for Dreamers. He's done nothing up to this point on that front. If you have evidence that shows otherwise, please post sources and I'll shut my mouth. It's gonna take more than Biden trying for something to pass.

You keep talking about him like he's the key or the magic formula for something good passing for us. He is not negotiating or bringing people to the table. No healing. No bipartisanship as far as I can tell. Especially because R's don't give a shit and don't respect him. He ain't got leverage on the R senators we need and if he did, he's doing jack shit up to this point.

It's actually almost the exact opposite. His weak ass stance and actions on the migrant issue on the border is hurting our chances of something good passing for us.

Meanwhile, those in congress are doing their dog and pony show. Par for the course. It's a total shit show!


You are so dense and narrow minded. I don't have to support Trump or Biden when it comes to me believing one of them will be the cause of legislation passing for us... especially if there is no solid reason or indication to believe that. It does not have to be support one or the other, like your simpleton mind is programmed to believe it is. I can hate on both if I wish. And Trust me, Biden hasn't given me any reason to have faith yet... so I won't. Just saying he supports Dreamers is hot gas. How about some true action for fuck's sake!?

I frankly don't have faith in any current politician. Even Durbin. Decades of trying and what? Nothing. Just has his 10 minute speeches showing pretty portraits of dreamers on the floor over and over. Pathetic.
I respect Obama because he actually got something good done for us. He's got balls.
Obama balls?

He only created DACA because he failed to convince DEM Senators to vote for DA or bring GOP to the table.

Ever wonder why GOP doesn't support DEM bills and vice versa? Because it's a take it all or nothing choice.

The DREAM Act wasn't going to pass nor is going to pass in it's current form.

If Obama had been serious about DREAM ACT passing, he would have put the work in.

He did it so he could win reelection in 2012.

We owe him nothing.

He was actually a very unpopular President because he was so left wing and loved to talk about race...like all the time

Whiner in Chief.

Oh and he also put kids in cages. Obama loved the filibuster when he was in the Senate but now he opposes it...how convenient.

Total empty politico suit. Only got elected cause of his skin color and his preachy sermons/speeches


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