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vft1008 07-20-2021 01:02 PM

GOP: Bipartisan infrastructure deal has 'no chance' on Wednesday
 
GOP: Bipartisan infrastructure deal has 'no chance' on Wednesday
https://www.politico.com/news/2021/0...re-deal-500166
By BURGESS EVERETT and MARIANNE LEVINE
07/19/2021 04:12 PM EDT
Updated: 07/19/2021 09:36 PM EDT

Senate Republicans revolted on Monday against opening debate on infrastructure while a bipartisan bill is still being written, lining up in opposition to a squeeze play by Majority Leader Chuck Schumer.

Schumer and Senate Democrats need at least 10 Republicans to agree to advance a still-unwritten deal to spend nearly $600 billion on roads, bridges and broadband during a vote expected on Wednesday. But both Republican leaders and the GOP lawmakers working on the bipartisan infrastructure package carried the same warning for Schumer.

“He’s not going to get 60, let’s put it that way,” said Senate Minority Whip John Thune (R-S.D.). “The legislation is not drafted, the pay-fors are a long ways away. Patience is going to be a virtue.”

But patience has run thin among Democrats who have watched the bipartisan talks play out for more than three months now. Schumer scheduled the anticipated test vote Monday evening and his deputies and Democratic members of the cross-aisle group made clear they wanted to move forward.

“It's Monday in the United States Senate. That’s Wednesday. That’s a long way between then and now,” said Sen. Patty Murray of Washington, the No. 3 Democratic leader. “We need a resolution to this. There’s a lot more work to get done.”

Sen. Mark Warner (D-Va.), who is negotiating the bipartisan infrastructure bill, said, “You got to keep the pressure on.”

In his floor remarks Monday evening, Schumer said the legislation could be amended as early as Thursday if the bipartisan group finalizes legislative text by then. If not, Schumer said the Senate could begin voting on legislation that has passed infrastructure-focused committees with bipartisan support.

Schumer said all five Democrats negotiating the bill, including Sens. Joe Manchin (D-W.Va.) and Kyrsten Sinema (D-Ariz.), supported his approach. He reiterated that Wednesday's vote is part of a "routine process" and that "it's a sign of good faith from both sides that negotiations will continue in earnest."

A failed vote this week would amount to an embarrassing setback for the senators trying to clinch an agreement that already got a televised thumbs-up from President Joe Biden. The group planned to meet on Monday evening and try to finish drafting legislation on a topic that’s bedeviled both parties' presidents and Congresses for decades.

If there’s no finalized deal and the procedural vote fails, senators said they would still continue to work on the infrastructure legislation. But several Republican senators helping shape the bill said they were agitated by Schumer’s tactics and warned they might vote against advancing their own efforts.

“We can’t support cloture for something we haven’t accomplished yet,” said Ohio Sen. Rob Portman, the lead Republican negotiator. “It is absurd to move forward with a vote on something that’s not yet formulated.”

Alaska Sen. Lisa Murkowski, another GOP negotiator, declined to say how she would vote Wednesday. But she added that if Schumer wanted the legislation to succeed, he would ensure “people have an opportunity to actually look at what they might be voting on.” Sen. Mitt Romney (R-Utah), another negotiator, said he’d vote no “if we are still working on major provisions of the bill and we don’t have a bill in front of us.”

Though Portman and others cried foul over holding a vote on unfinished legislation, it’s a tried and true strategy for both parties. Republicans kicked off their drive to repeal Obamacare with a vote on proceeding to an unwritten bill; just this Congress, senators in both parties advanced hate crimes and competitiveness legislation before it was finished.

Yet in this case, Republicans said there’s no rush to make good on an agreement Biden touted beside five of them at the White House. Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell said Monday that Republicans “need to see the bill before voting to go to it. I think that’s pretty easily understood.”

“There’s no bill. You can’t expect that many Republicans to move forward on a pretty vague concept,” said Sen. Roy Blunt (R-Mo.). “It’s pretty much up to the majority leader. If he wants to kill the bipartisan bill, insisting on a vote before there’s a bill is a certain way to kill the bipartisan discussion.”

Schumer is portraying the anticipated Wednesday vote as a first step in the debate, suggesting the group’s work could continue and be later added as an amendment. And notably, Schumer telegraphed his move; he's long warned that he wanted the bipartisan group’s product on the floor in July.

If the bipartisan talks end up fully imploding, Democrats can roll the group's work into their unilateral spending bill that’s still being written, with a top line price tag of $3.5 trillion. But that would carry its own challenges: namely, keeping in line all 50 Senate Democrats, including moderates preaching bipartisanship.

The bipartisan group of senators writing the bill will meet via Zoom on Monday night to try to produce legislative text for the framework they reached last month, and the White House is expected to participate. Over the past week, Republicans objected to a proposal to increase IRS enforcement to help pay for the infrastructure legislation, sending group members scrambling to come up with new financing plans to fill a hole of tens of billions of dollars in new revenues. Portman said the group had “over two dozen differences” and resolved about half of them.

Despite the time crunch, moderate Democrats are signaling they are comfortable with Schumer’s move.

“I still believe Chuck’s got the right schedule,” said Sen. Jon Tester (D-Mont.). If the vote fails Wednesday, he suggested: “What the hell? Keep us here in August.”

But some in the caucus were less eager to vote Wednesday without legislative text. When asked if Schumer should still hold the vote Wednesday, Sen. Angus King (I-Maine), a member of the group, replied: “If we have the bill, yes.” King added that “if you don’t have the bill, you can’t have a vote.” Still, King will support advancing the bill on Wednesday and supports Schumer's timeline, his office said.

The Senate is scheduled to break for the summer on Aug. 6, though it would not be without precedent for the chamber to scrap a week or two of that recess to complete its work ahead of fall deadlines for funding the government and raising the debt ceiling.

Schumer has set up this week as pivotal to Biden’s "two-track" infrastructure and social spending plans. In addition to the impending vote on the bipartisan infrastructure framework, he’s also set a deadline of Wednesday for his party to coalesce around a rough outline of $3.5 trillion in new spending for the rest of Biden’s agenda to tackle social programs, climate change and increase taxes on the wealthy and corporations.

vft1008 07-20-2021 01:04 PM

Re: GOP: Bipartisan infrastructure deal has 'no chance' on Wednesday
 
I love bipartisanship and I love these men:

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vft1008 07-20-2021 01:12 PM

Re: GOP: Bipartisan infrastructure deal has 'no chance' on Wednesday
 
Graham: Adding immigration to infrastructure bill 'dumbest' idea in history of Senate, WH
https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/...of?jwsource=cl
By Dominick Mastrangelo - 07/20/21 09:50 AM EDT

Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) is slamming a proposal from Democrats to insert a provision that would grant a pathway to citizenship for undocumented immigrants as part of the infrastructure spending proposal currently being debated in Congress.

"If you give one person legal status there will be a run on our border like you have never seen before," Graham said Monday during an appearance on Fox News. "[It's] the dumbest idea in the history of the Senate, the history of the White House. It will lead to the breakdown of law and order beyond what you see today."

The Republican senator added such a move would amount to "a power grab" that has not a "damn thing to do with infrastructure."

Graham's comments come a week after a group of Democratic House members penned a letter to the chairs of the House and Senate Budget committees urging them to include investments in immigration reform as part of the budget resolution for fiscal 2022.

“As you develop the budget resolution for fiscal year 2022, we urge you to include bold reforms to our immigration system so that it meets the needs of the American people now and prepares us for a vibrant and economically prosperous future. While we continue to build broad support for the U.S. Citizenship Act, we stand ready to work with you to pass immigration reforms through the budget reconciliation process," the Democratic House members wrote.

The group of Democrats is also pursuing the U.S. Citizenship Act in the House after President Biden earlier this year pledged to work with Congress to pass comprehensive legislation on immigration. Biden's proposal would provide a pathway to citizenship not just for "Dreamers," who were brought to the U.S. illegally by their parents as children, but also for others already in the country, offering a maximum eight-year track to gain citizenship, The Hill previously reported.

Graham and Republicans have criticized Biden's immigration policies, his handling of the ongoing crisis at the southern border, and have accused his Democratic allies in Congress of stuffing an infrastructure spending bill with too many other political pet projects and not enough money for road, bridges and another physical infrastructure.



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Pianoswithoutfaith 07-20-2021 01:14 PM

Re: GOP: Bipartisan infrastructure deal has 'no chance' on Wednesday
 
"But but UWD is the REAL threat here not these RepubliCAN heroes!!"

dtrt09 07-20-2021 01:17 PM

Re: GOP: Bipartisan infrastructure deal has 'no chance' on Wednesday
 
Edit: in summary, move on with reconciliation and eliminate the filibuster.

FLDreamerrr 07-20-2021 01:41 PM

Re: GOP: Bipartisan infrastructure deal has 'no chance' on Wednesday
 
Dead on arrival

Outsider626 07-20-2021 01:43 PM

Re: GOP: Bipartisan infrastructure deal has 'no chance' on Wednesday
 
We already knew that.

We are about reconciliation!

2Face 07-20-2021 02:36 PM

Re: GOP: Bipartisan infrastructure deal has 'no chance' on Wednesday
 
Ain’t no R’s needed for reconciliation…let’s go Demys!

2Face 07-20-2021 03:12 PM

Re: GOP: Bipartisan infrastructure deal has 'no chance' on Wednesday
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Outsider626 (Post 762018)
We already knew that.

We are about reconciliation!

Exactly…mofos up here be actin as if they heard the surprise of the century lmfao….If the Dems are so great why don’t they pass the reconciliation package with Dreamers…

Got_Daca 07-20-2021 04:43 PM

Re: GOP: Bipartisan infrastructure deal has 'no chance' on Wednesday
 
Highlights are deeply appreciated!

(Unlike lazy ass gender confused CUsenior)

Fk GOP

Ram reconciliation bill

LFG!

frbc13 07-20-2021 05:07 PM

Re: GOP: Bipartisan infrastructure deal has 'no chance' on Wednesday
 
Ram that shit down their throats in less than 2 weeks, call it Amy Coney Barrett

Copper 07-20-2021 05:24 PM

Re: GOP: Bipartisan infrastructure deal has 'no chance' on Wednesday
 
The GOP rammed not 1, but 3 Supreme Court justices down our throat. Democrats need to grow a pair and do the same! They need to fight back against a Republican Party that’s broken and racist.

Outsider626 07-20-2021 05:31 PM

Re: GOP: Bipartisan infrastructure deal has 'no chance' on Wednesday
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by 2Face (Post 762020)
Exactly…mofos up here be actin as if they heard the surprise of the century lmfao….If the Dems are so great why don’t they pass the reconciliation package with Dreamers…

Many people just can't distinguish that they are 2 different things

Demise 07-20-2021 05:35 PM

Re: GOP: Bipartisan infrastructure deal has 'no chance' on Wednesday
 
The infrastructure deal comes in many forms. Rs chose a suppository.

2Face 07-20-2021 05:37 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Copper (Post 762024)
The GOP rammed not 1, but 3 Supreme Court justices down our throat. Democrats need to grow a pair and do the same! They need to fight back against a Republican Party that’s broken and racist.

Only..I don’t think it’s about Dems growing a pair! I sincerely think they are trying to make it seem to us that they are fighting but secretly have other plans to keep the issue alive and pass reconciliation without Dreamers. Justice J was absolutely on point few days ago…as much as people hate the guy..

Dreamer1980 07-20-2021 05:53 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Demise (Post 762026)
The infrastructure deal comes in many forms. Rs chose a suppository.

lol

Ram that suppository up their ass

Smooth 07-20-2021 06:04 PM

Re: GOP: Bipartisan infrastructure deal has 'no chance' on Wednesday
 
Good news. We want reconciliation vote.

MIdreamer 07-20-2021 08:00 PM

Re: GOP: Bipartisan infrastructure deal has 'no chance' on Wednesday
 
WHY THE FUCK are the GOPs still talking about Obamacare!! They need to just let this shit go; it's getting very old with this whole "Repeal Obamacare" stuff.

cmeow 07-20-2021 08:04 PM

Re: GOP: Bipartisan infrastructure deal has 'no chance' on Wednesday
 
Expected, as bipartisanship is dead. Dems will pass it via reconciliation. It'll still be interesting to see. I'm expecting 50/50 +/- 1.

dreamer12345 07-20-2021 08:23 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by frbc13 (Post 762023)
Ram that shit down their throats in less than 2 weeks, call it Amy Coney Barrett

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SEPT 06 07-20-2021 08:24 PM

Re: GOP: Bipartisan infrastructure deal has 'no chance' on Wednesday
 
what time is bipartisan vote tomorrow?

dtrt09 07-20-2021 08:30 PM

Re: GOP: Bipartisan infrastructure deal has 'no chance' on Wednesday
 
@BillKristol

"I'd much prefer bipartisan bills on infrastructure, voting, and immigration. It would be good for the country. But if Republicans are obdurate, Democrats need to move to reconciliation--and not just on infrastructure, but including as much on voting and immigration as possible."
5:45 AM · Jul 20, 2021·Twitter Web App

Even neo-cons see it for what it is: Dems will have to go at it alone for the betterment of the country.

Smooth 07-20-2021 08:45 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by dreamer12345 (Post 762032)

Lmfaoooo I chuckled when I saw this. 🤣🤣🤣🤣

Got_Daca 07-20-2021 09:03 PM

Re: GOP: Bipartisan infrastructure deal has 'no chance' on Wednesday
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by dtrt09 (Post 762034)
@BillKristol

"I'd much prefer bipartisan bills on infrastructure, voting, and immigration. It would be good for the country. But if Republicans are obdurate, Democrats need to move to reconciliation--and not just on infrastructure, but including as much on voting and immigration as possible."
5:45 AM · Jul 20, 2021·Twitter Web App

Even neo-cons see it for what it is: Dems will have to go at it alone for the betterment of the country.

My man

2Face 07-20-2021 09:16 PM

Re: GOP: Bipartisan infrastructure deal has 'no chance' on Wednesday
 
At this point, all indications are that Joey will forge a deal at the eleventh hour paving way for Dreamer legalization via budget reconciliation (projected vote of 50 + 1 by Madam V.P)

vft1008 07-20-2021 09:16 PM

Re: GOP: Bipartisan infrastructure deal has 'no chance' on Wednesday
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by MIdreamer (Post 762030)
WHY THE FUCK are the GOPs still talking about Obamacare!! They need to just let this shit go; it's getting very old with this whole "Repeal Obamacare" stuff.

Because hating on a Black president is the easiest way to appeal to their racist, mindless base. They can't get over the fact that a Black man was elected president.

vft1008 07-20-2021 09:21 PM

Re: GOP: Bipartisan infrastructure deal has 'no chance' on Wednesday
 
If Harris is the tiebreaker on reconciliation that includes Dreamers, Smoothie will valiantly not apply since he hates and berates Harris all the time.
Just a heads up, Smoothie.

Also.... quick update: Your nickname for her never caught on and no one, but you have used it to this day. Reality check.

Smooth 07-20-2021 09:30 PM

Re: GOP: Bipartisan infrastructure deal has 'no chance' on Wednesday
 
I can see someone is obsessed with me. Lmfao

So, you are saying there is a chance?….Lmfaoooo Make up your mind already. I thought we weren’t going to get anything.

As for kamaga, I really don’t care if it doesn’t catch on. It’s a damn internet forum full of anonymous people. Why do you treat this forum like it’s some sort of real life setting? Lol

Pianoswithoutfaith 07-20-2021 11:29 PM

Re: GOP: Bipartisan infrastructure deal has 'no chance' on Wednesday
 
Damn that’s so many edits

freshh. 07-21-2021 11:46 AM

Re: GOP: Bipartisan infrastructure deal has 'no chance' on Wednesday
 
The motion to proceed vote is scheduled for this afternoon. Looks like they are definitely headed towards reconciliation.

Quote:

Republicans ready to filibuster bipartisanship on infrastructure efforts

The Senate is going to vote on Wednesday afternoon on infrastructure procedure. To be absolutely clear, the Senate is going to vote on "a motion to proceed," whether they should begin consideration of the bipartisan infrastructure bill. This is just a vote to see if there is bipartisan agreement that in the near future they will consider a bipartisan bill. "A 'Yes' vote on the motion to proceed simply means that the Senate is ready to begin debating a bipartisan infrastructure bill," Majority Leader Chuck Schumer has gone to great lengths to explain

There will not be that agreement. Republicans are going to filibuster an invitation to start talking on the Senate floor about the bill they have supposedly been negotiating in good faith with Democrats for weeks. Because, they argue, they just don't have the bill on paper. “I think there's a unanimous point of view that we shouldn't vote on the motion to proceed until people know what the summary is of the bill. They haven't seen the numbers, they haven't seen the pay-fors," Sen. Mitt Romney a Republican who has been on the negotiating team for all these weeks in which nobody managed to get anything down on paper. Not even a summary.

So, yeah. This.

Republicans insist that they just need a little bit more time. "I would like to see the leader delay the vote until Monday. We’re making significant progress, but we need more time," said Sen. Susan Collins of Maine on Tuesday. "There's no magic in having the vote [Wednesday] and so if it were delayed until Monday, I think we could continue our work and present to our colleagues a more complete bill." But they are not voting on a bill. They are voting on whether they want to talk about the bill. If they’re actually confident that they'll have something concrete by Monday they can vote to open debate even though the bill isn't final, which is common practice. It would put the bill that much further ahead in getting through quickly so everybody could go home for August recess on time.

They don't want that to happen because, as McConnell has made very clear, they don't want this groundbreaking and extremely popular proposal from President Joe Biden and the Democrats to pass. Drawing it out as long as possible and trying to woo moderate Democrats away has been the strategy for McConnell and team—reliably led by Susan Collins—all along.

Democrats did see this coming, which is why Schumer is forcing the vote Wednesday, even knowing that Republicans will filibuster. Because Republicans filibustering bipartisanship demonstrates just how unserious they are. Schumer and Sen. Bernie Sanders, chair of the Budget Committee, are prepared.

If the roughly $1 trillion bipartisan plan fails, they'll fold it in to the larger reconciliation bill they can pass with just Democratic votes. Or if absolutely necessary, they can add the already passed House transportation and water bill into this larger package, in the even that there really isn't a bipartisan plan advanced enough to use, a distinct possibility since as of yet, no one has produced anything approaching legislative language on the thing. But taking the stuff that the Senate gang has agreed to would be a better approach for getting the two Democratic problem children—Sens. Joe Manchin and Kyrsten Sinema—to stick with Democrats on reconciliation.

- SOURCE

2MoreYears 07-21-2021 11:50 AM

Re: GOP: Bipartisan infrastructure deal has 'no chance' on Wednesday
 
Smoothie

Hhahahjaha

Not a single Republican will vote for the budget.

Pass it via reconciliation then!

2Face 07-21-2021 11:59 AM

Re: GOP: Bipartisan infrastructure deal has 'no chance' on Wednesday
 
Chucky needs to aim for reconciliation! In the past he has folded and not stuck to his guns…we need to hold him accountable! If Joey Manchin and Sinema are on board, no excuses!

Smooth 07-21-2021 12:09 PM

Re: GOP: Bipartisan infrastructure deal has 'no chance' on Wednesday
 
Once the vote to debate the bipartisan bill fails, Dems can do then do a backdoor vote on reconciliation today, per NPR.

freshh. 07-21-2021 12:12 PM

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Quote:

@JoeSudbay
these Senate Republicans have really mastered the art of delay

just enough to get media attention, but then, in the end, never enough to actually do anything

because their goal is delay not actually doing anything

Quote Tweet
John Bresnahan
@bresreports
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.@SenatorCollins says 11 GOP senators sending a letter to @SenSchumer now saying they will vote for cloture on Monday if there’s a bipartisan infrastructure agreement
12:06 PM · Jul 21, 2021·Twitter Web App

I hate to think we are very important in the grand scheme of things, but are the Republicans freaking out because of the sudden push to add some immigration provisions to the infrastructure bill?

Smooth 07-21-2021 12:17 PM

Re: GOP: Bipartisan infrastructure deal has 'no chance' on Wednesday
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by freshh. (Post 762048)
I hate to think we are very important in the grand scheme of things, but are the Republicans freaking out because of the sudden push to add some immigration provisions to the infrastructure bill?

@Fresh, I was afraid of this happening.

VJB2 07-21-2021 12:19 PM

Re: GOP: Bipartisan infrastructure deal has 'no chance' on Wednesday
 
...if that’s the direction they want to head, then there’s the Senate parliamentarian.

SEPT 06 07-21-2021 12:26 PM

Re: GOP: Bipartisan infrastructure deal has 'no chance' on Wednesday
 
I heard on News this morning that vote today will fail but they might have bipartisan deal of 1.2 trillion on Monday.. but what do you guys think, will they have any immigration provision on that deal? i think chances are very slim

Smooth 07-21-2021 12:33 PM

Re: GOP: Bipartisan infrastructure deal has 'no chance' on Wednesday
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by SEPT 06 (Post 762052)
I heard on News this morning that vote today will fail but they might have bipartisan deal of 1.2 trillion on Monday.. but what do you guys think, will they have any immigration provision on that deal? i think chances are very slim

I doubt reconciliation vote will happen now, especially with Schumer.

hDreamer1988 07-21-2021 12:35 PM

Re: GOP: Bipartisan infrastructure deal has 'no chance' on Wednesday
 
I am dont know everyone is so focused on the Bipartisan deal.. It does not include immigration. Its only for traditional infrastructure. The GOP wont deal on immigration right now, that is their ticket to reclaiming the house and senate.

Our primary concern is the reconciliation bill.

2Face 07-21-2021 12:36 PM

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Suzy Collins from downtown!


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