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Imthexman 08-09-2021 11:03 AM

Budget Rconciliation package includes pathway to citizenship
 
Bill text just realeased, not very specific who would qualify though.


https://thehill.com/policy/national-...to-citizenship

2Face 08-09-2021 11:05 AM

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Here we go! Incredible deal making by Joey Biden....He seems serious about getting something done. He needs to get Sinema and Manchin on board.

Dreamer1980 08-09-2021 11:24 AM

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As I have said for the past 20 years +, if anything helpful towards the immigrant community passes into law it will come from the democrat side. The GOP would love to leave immigrants as the slave class, cheap labor while needed.

Now it's time to support and demand the Democrats step up and take it all the way to the finish line. It's very probable this is the best chance we will ever have. Show as much support as possible in social media and hold rotten apples accountable

2Face 08-09-2021 11:36 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Dreamer1980 (Post 762619)
As I have said for the past 20 years +, if anything helpful towards the immigrant community passes into law it will come from the democrat side. The GOP would love to leave immigrants as the slave class, cheap labor while needed.

Now it's time to support and demand the Democrats step up and take it all the way to the finish line. It's very probable this is the best chance we will ever have. Show as much support as possible in social media and hold rotten apples accountable

Dems also need to be held accountable. Chuck Schumer has a long history of giving up on his goals. They also have a strong tendency to continue the status quo for political purposes. Enough is enough and this time there is only one outcome possible and that must entail immediate legalization of Dreamers.

Got_Daca 08-09-2021 11:47 AM

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Don't worry people

It is an initial offer

GOP will balk at 8-10 mil

In the end they will swallow DA + TPS + Border Security

They will have to

Dems already including Border Security

I smell Good Faith Effort

Got_Daca 08-09-2021 11:56 AM

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107bln for border security

Xmas for GOP

They will swallow

Dreamer1980 08-09-2021 12:16 PM

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I believe the biggest issue for the GOP is immigrants that they have hated on for the past 20 years becoming citizens and potential voters. they do care about border security, but they care more about 10 million people voting and flipping states like Texas

Let's hold Democrats accountable to push this all the way through the finish line, now or never.


Quote:

Originally Posted by Got_Daca (Post 762621)
Don't worry people

It is an initial offer

GOP will balk at 8-10 mil

In the end they will swallow DA + TPS + Border Security

They will have to

Dems already including Border Security

I smell Good Faith Effort


Got_Daca 08-09-2021 12:25 PM

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Elections have consequences

RAM. THIS. SHIT.

Marco956 08-09-2021 12:30 PM

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This is our best shot since 2010. I cant imagine the Dems retaining the House and Senate next year so probably the best chance we’ll have in the foreseeable future. Its gonna be devastating if it doesn't pass.

Afridi786 08-09-2021 12:34 PM

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If this doesn't go thru, I'm going to be devastated, this might be our last real chance.

pavpatel 08-09-2021 12:44 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Afridi786 (Post 762627)
If this doesn't go thru, I'm going to be devastated, this might be our last real chance.

Well get ready to be devastated. This is the American government we're talking about. You must be new here.

Dreamer1980 08-09-2021 12:58 PM

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Forbes:

"The budget resolution asks lawmakers to submit their amended reconciliation legislation by September 15."

FLDreamerrr 08-09-2021 01:08 PM

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All or nothing now . Let’s see how manchin and sin feel

2Face 08-09-2021 01:14 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by FLDreamerrr (Post 762630)
All or nothing now . Let’s see how manchin and sin feel

Where did the sun rise today....First time you didn't say "dead on arrival" lol...

frbc13 08-09-2021 01:19 PM

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Shove it down their throats, make 'em gag.

Afridi786 08-09-2021 01:20 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by pavpatel (Post 762628)
Well get ready to be devastated. This is the American government we're talking about. You must be new here.

Why are you in this forum? Clearly you have some hope or are you just here to get pleasure from everyone's anxiety/misery?

Got_Daca 08-09-2021 01:30 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by pavpatel (Post 762628)
Well get ready to be devastated. This is the American government we're talking about. You must be new here.

We survived 4 years of Trump, both GOP chambers, countless court challenges.

This is our lowest point.

Nothing but UPSIDE from here.

So STFU

bigdreamer2010 08-09-2021 02:03 PM

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The next 2 -3 months is it. Either they push through reconciliation or the appropriations bill but at least we’ll know very shortly.

JavierHTx 08-09-2021 02:25 PM

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D
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JavierHTx 08-09-2021 02:26 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Dreamer1980 (Post 762623)
I believe the biggest issue for the GOP is immigrants that they have hated on for the past 20 years becoming citizens and potential voters. they do care about border security, but they care more about 10 million people voting and flipping states like Texas

Let's hold Democrats accountable to push this all the way through the finish line, now or never.

THIS. They know it this passes it might screw them forever.

Got_Daca 08-09-2021 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by JavierHTx (Post 762638)
THIS. They know it this passes it might screw them forever.

No GOP votes needed

So STFU

VJB2 08-09-2021 02:51 PM

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I will be more optimistic if the Senate parliamentarian doesn't fuck us over before anyone else can. If she says game on, I will be a bit more excited.

Quote:

Immigration
The Senate Judiciary Committee is tasked with providing “lawful permanent status for qualified immigrants” as part of the Democrats’ budget reconciliation package. The plan aims ​​to grant green cards to millions of immigrant workers and families, per an outline of the document. Congress has been unable to pass any kind of immigration reform measure on a bipartisan basis, so its inclusion in a reconciliation package is a big deal. But the details of the policy, which has yet to be written, will dictate whether it can survive the strict budgetary rules governing the reconciliation process. Ultimately, Democrats are hoping that whatever they include on immigration won’t get stricken by an unfavorable ruling from the Senate parliamentarian.
- Source

hDreamer1988 08-09-2021 03:34 PM

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This is the first draft and can be amended based on the Parliamentarian's decision. Start big and good smaller as needed.

Afridi786 08-09-2021 03:48 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by hDreamer1988 (Post 762641)
This is the first draft and can be amended based on the Parliamentarian's decision. Start big and good smaller as needed.

My take is that Parliamentarian will rule against legalizing millions, but since we pay taxes, they will say that Dreamers can be included in reconciliation. Maybe I'm too optimistic.

VJB2 08-09-2021 04:32 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Afridi786 (Post 762642)
My take is that Parliamentarian will rule against legalizing millions, but since we pay taxes, they will say that Dreamers can be included in reconciliation. Maybe I'm too optimistic.

This is what I am hoping for. However, if she goes this route, one can argue that the remaining undocumented population also pays taxes.

She or her family, especially kids, must know someone who has DACA to help her see how important this decision is.

dtrt09 08-09-2021 05:38 PM

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America needs all the essential undocumented workers to continue to help our country out of this pandemic!!

There is a tsunami of health care staff ready to leave the field due to the dysfunction in the system. We need all hands on deck.

frbc13 08-09-2021 05:41 PM

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You get a green card, you get a green card, EVERYBODY GETS A GREEN CARD!

https://i.imgflip.com/4/h9a4w.jpg

Got_Daca 08-09-2021 05:44 PM

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The Senate Judiciary Committee is tasked with providing...

Guess who is the chair

Big D Durbin of course

He's been in the trenches. I mean he IS the trench of immigration debate.

We good fam

Dreamer1980 08-09-2021 06:31 PM

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Adding 10 million of new accountable tax payers would most definitely help the budget.

This would be a no brainer, the only reason the immigration portion of the budgetary would not be included it would be political BS. If we are not included you may as well pack your bags, because this is it.

otherwise you will be sentence to face uncertainty and a forever 2nd class resident with no rights

Got_Daca 08-09-2021 06:33 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Dreamer1980 (Post 762649)
Adding 10 million of new accountable tax payers would most definitely help the budget.

This would be a no brainer, the only reason the immigration portion of the budgetary would not be included it would be political BS. If we are not included you may as well pack your bags, because this is it.

Nope.

Even if Trump is elected again in 24, as long as Dems have 41 seats in the Senate we still good.

IamAman 08-09-2021 08:03 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Afridi786 (Post 762627)
If this doesn't go thru, I'm going to be devastated, this might be our last real chance.

You and me both...If this doesn't pass, there will be some really tough and risky decisions to be made while Biden is still president.

dreamer12345 08-09-2021 08:06 PM

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I don't see how this has a chance in hell w/o the progs holding the Senate Bill hostage. Are they voting for both?

Swim19 08-09-2021 08:14 PM

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From Vox article:

What’s next for the process
The megabill does not yet, technically speaking, exist. But last month, Democrats on the Senate Budget Committee reached a deal on how much money the forthcoming megabill will spend overall, and in various areas. To do so, they came to a de facto agreement on what they hope to put in it.

The next step is for the full Senate to approve this deal by passing a budget resolution this week, and for the House to do the same later this month. Doing this unlocks the filibuster-proof budget reconciliation process.

After that, both chambers can finally get around to actually hammering out the details of the megabill itself. Democrats hope to pass it and get it signed into law by President Biden by the end of the year.

Changes to the overall bill are likely at every step of this process. But the budget resolution is the first step; it sets the stage for everything that will come later. And Democrats have made clear that they are starting with very lofty ambitions indeed.

https://www.vox.com/22577374/reconci...dicare-climate

Outsider626 08-09-2021 08:19 PM

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So now we gotta wait till September 15th

https://media4.giphy.com/media/ItgQjEg1zqIkU/200.gif

Swim19 08-09-2021 08:23 PM

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Some more info:

Quote:

The Senate is expected to take up the budget plan, which can be adopted with a simple majority, as soon as Tuesday after wrapping up work on the bipartisan infrastructure bill.

A vote on final adoption would come no later than 50 hours after adopting the motion to proceed, which also requires a simple majority. Either or both sides can yield back some of their alotted time, after which a "vote-a-rama" on amendments would ensue.

Sept. 15 deadline
The follow-on budget reconciliation bill also requires only a simple majority to pass in the Senate and is subject to limited debate, rather than the typical 60-vote threshold. The committees of jurisdiction would have until Sept. 15 to produce their pieces of the package, which would then be bundled together by the Budget panels for floor debate as a single, mammoth bill.


Quote:

House timing up in the air
One unanswered question is when the House would take up the budget if the Senate is able to adopt it this week.

Initial plans called for the House to return during the August recess to consider the blueprint. But some House moderates have called for taking up the bipartisan infrastructure bill during the August recess, contrary to Democratic leadership plans and raising doubts about whether there would be the votes in the House for the budget resolution during recess.

Speaker Nancy Pelosi has said she wants to hold the infrastructure bill until the Senate passes the reconciliation bill, which would not be until September at the earliest.
https://www.rollcall.com/2021/08/09/...iliation-bill/

Pianoswithoutfaith 08-09-2021 09:27 PM

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We’ll see you guys September 15

Got_Daca 08-09-2021 09:31 PM

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GCs by Thanksgiving

It is true

Smooth 08-09-2021 09:43 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Outsider626 (Post 762654)
So now we gotta wait till September 15th

https://media4.giphy.com/media/ItgQjEg1zqIkU/200.gif

Ughhhhhhhh. Fucks sake…more waiting

VJB2 08-09-2021 11:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Smooth (Post 762659)
Ughhhhhhhh. Fucks sake…more waiting

That’s the deadline, expect action when the parliamentarian chimes in which would be earlier than that.

Outsider626 08-10-2021 12:00 AM

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PARLIAMENTARIAN'S POWER

The ambitious goals of the $3.5 trillion budget plan will be reviewed by the Senate parliamentarian, who has the power to strip out provisions found to be at odds with Senate rules. The full Senate could, however, vote to overrule such decisions.


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