Hoyer today on immigration:
 

https://mobile.twitter.com/ellengilm...61475620315142

Dems just following rules as usual. Nothing is getting done this year or decade.

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He is a corporate Democrat. Of course, he’s going to say that. Wait.

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Biden just said on TV that he thinks we have Manchin's vote. Y'all need to chill.

No expectations on my end, this can go either way - but chill.

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Manchin's vote on what?

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Manchin's vote on criminalizing abortion.

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Hoyer, Manchin, and Elizabeth Mcdonnut should eat a bag of dicks and get out of the way.

We will see what happens after all this back and forth., I have a feeling it's now or never.

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Manchin's vote count for 0 if we don't have the parliamentarian's approval.. The immigration reform for the house bill is just a placeholder and has 0 meaning.

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u missed Simena

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@PabloReports
Immigration update from
@SenatorDurbin
: "I talked to Nancy [Pelosi] last night and went over possibilities and she's got her hands full. I think she can do it. She's masterful, but at this point, there's some divisions within our caucus that she's trying to work out."

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This thing is pretty much over guys, I have no hope at this point.

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Democrats just got hammered in Virginia. They are in trouble for 2022 and 2024, no doubt.

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Of course, that was going to happen...Dems are failing left and right... the ivy school elites are way out of touch with their constituents

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Voters are also stupid...worried about 'Critical Race Theory' when it isn't even being taught in Virginia Schools.

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Is it safe to say that Manchin wont vote for the bill now?

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Even New Jersey is too close too call. That says a lot about the current state of the Democratic Party.

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Lol I think Biden himself is lost.

~40 something approval rating, no surprise.

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I don't understand why his approval dipped down so low. Did voters really expect things were going to change so quickly with a pandemic still going on and a slim majority in Senate/House?

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A lot of ppl hate the establishment politicians because they always screw us over

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Even write in Candidates are beating Democrats. If this isn’t a wake up call to the Democratic Party I don’t know what is.

The fact that there’s even a race in Minneapolis to replace the police department tells you all you need to know.

Their message is clearly lost. Our a Country is in deep trouble and this is their main concern? Replacing the police department?

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Ok...but Republicans are also part of the establishment...

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I don’t think anyone believed Biden and the Democratic Party would have a magic wand to fix things. However, Biden and the Democratic Party made things a lot worse by forcing people to either get vaccinated or lose their jobs.

That’s not something you do at a moment when people have already suffered huge financial losses due to COVID. Then you add what’s going on with the border in addition to a Congress not doing anything is another red flag.

Biden and the entire Democratic Party should have put Sinema and Manchin on blast for obstructing their agenda. But somehow they still have this mentality that they will come around just like the GOP eventually will and that is just a pipe dream.

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What other choices do they have?

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I worry that we get a smart version of trump (desantis) in 2024.

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I don’t see Desantis running against Trump for the nomination in 2024, there’s too much loyalty there.

Trump will run again no doubt in 2024. If anything he may seek Desantis to join him on the ticket as a VP.

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I’d much rather have him than Trump.

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It's Desantis for sure. I monitor right wing nut forums, they're done w/Trump for POTUS. DeSantis doesn't give a flyn' fuck about the orange one short of sucking up to him to get the base


well, you shouldn't.

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A lot of it comes down to messaging. Democrats are terrible at messaging, while GOP excel in it. For example, vaccination requirements aren't a new thing - schools, colleges, and some professions require them. It only became a big deal because of Trump and the GOP. And the Democrats never learned how to counter it properly.

Also Americans are tired of the pandemic and will blame the party in power even if the Democrats aren't at fault (ie: Delta Variant surge that occurred during the summer)

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**delete**

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Vaccines have never been this high of requirement as it is now. A lot of voters are upset because they feel that no government mandate should dictate how to live their lives. If you look at what's going on now, the Country has turned its backs on our first responders.

The people that helped us get through this pandemic when there was no COVID protections and very little testing happening, are now losing on their jobs.

I do agree their messaging has been wrong, you would think they would have learned from the 2016 elections, but the Democratic Party is so out of touch with voters that they don't realize how fast they are sinking.

With the correct messaging, the South can be won. You look at Roy Cooper in North Carolina and John Bel Edwards in Louisiana, both Democratic candidates that won in a deep red State and simple because they got their messaging right to what their State needed.

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The vaccine requirements aren't some nefarious plot by the government. Vaccine has and will save thousands of lives, and the vaccine has been proven safe. Voters are also out of touch with reality.

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Yeah, but he is also not wrong. The messaging was terrible, the plan to get out of Afghanistan failed, and their efforts to hand out free money is going putting more pressure on the middle class.

Dems are already looking at ways to end backdoor roth and tax unrecognized capital gains. All while upping SNAP benefits and child tax credits (FREE money). So taxing more who already pay taxes and giving more to people who don't pay shit to begin with or abuse the system because they have small businesses or cash jobs doesn't make a lot of sense.
Dems have dropped the idea for now but how does that benefit someone who carefully planned for their future. If you listen to a lot of money related podcasts and influencers, you can see how Dems are hated for their fiscal skills, or lack thereof.

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Although I do agree about the safe of the vaccine and needing to do it, most Americans see it as a government overreach.

The Biden administration should have let it been handle at a local level. You look at Florida, yes it got bad, but currently they have the lowest COVID cases and death rate and they did it without the need of having to add government mandates and taking people their jobs away.

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Y'all ready for total GOP control government in 2024 again? They will control house, senate, presidency and Supreme Court. Also along with many governorship in traditional democratic states and control of many state governments.

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it is what it is, bro. always a cycle.. thats how it works. democrats will control it again in 2028.

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Don't think DACA will make it to 2028. Shit is going downhill for us fast!

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we said the same thing in 2016.. lol and here we are till 2024.

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The politics on immigration suck ass, but I highly doubt that we are all screwed.

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@bresreports
New: Advocates for include pro-immigrant provisions in reconciliation just got out of an hour-long mtg with @SpeakerPelosi, per @RepChuyGarcia

/2 Garcia said Pelosi didn’t commit to including the provisions in the immigration package. Without it, Garcia and @RepEspaillat & @RepLouCorrea say they will vote against package

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lol at thinking democracy survives that scenario

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that shit's on tippy top earners, not the middle class. Don't expect media to tell you that though