Democrats get hopeful sign from parliamentarian on immigration
 

I won't be satisfied until the complete bill is on Biden's desk with immigration benefits, but here's something:

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Let us hope this gets approved.

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Same DACA only for 5 years (x2). And an excuse for Dems to kick the can down the road for another 10 years.

Travel option is the same Advance Parole that we currently have. You will not be able to travel freely.

I rather reapply for Daca every 2 years than this.

DACA will never die regardless.

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dems are perpetual losers. If her majesty the Parlamentarian is fine w/this, she'd have been fine w/dream act, and if she wasn't, 80% of the electorate would be yelling "off w/her head".

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Get rid of the filibuster save voters' rights and path to citizenship.

Happy Thanksgiving!!

Stay safe.

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If this passes, it creates a necessity in congress to renew every 10 years. IF close to 7 million people enter get permits, enter the workforce, and contribute; it becomes too big to fail or to end. Ending a program like that and essentially forcing millions out of the workforce would decimate the economy to the point it may not recover by the next election cycle. DACA or TPS is too small to really have lasting impacts.... but 7MM would give us safety in numbers.

A lot of the GOP haters would say Republicans won't care but they really would. You would see a major market crash and that would cost them millions in their personal investments.

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^He gets it.

It’s not what we wanted but it’s decent. It’ll help out a lot of ppl. Work authorization and a drivers license will change lives.

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How do you know is the same as advance parole?

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The unofficial meeting with the parliamentian is a pretty important step because if anything, the legislators get a good idea -if not an explicit one- of what the parliamentarian will approve.

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1 time renewable 5 year permit for MLK day 2021?

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We back...from downtown!

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It ain't much, but it's honest work.

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Didn’t this happen with Plan A?

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Ewww at least let us travel freely.

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ill take a 10 yr permit. no bullshit. lol

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Im legit expecting the worst outcome but a tiny part of me is incredibly hopeful for my parents. That they finally get to have something.

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I would take this in a heartbeat and it would completely change my life. This isn't hyperbole or anything, it would literally change my whole life overnight and give me a chance to live my life as a free person: get a job, get a proper ID, travel without fear, buy a house, take care of elderly parents, plan my own retirement...top to bottom it would change my life. I can use it to adjust my status as well.

Also in my life in the shadows I meet a lot of other undocumented people who work construction or are housekeepers. Some of the stories they tell me are gut wrenching. One was telling me that she came here when she was 16 and was living with a family who would keep her from seeing her family. If she was done with her chores a little early in the day, they would take her to a relative's house to clean their house. She was essentially a slave.

I don't know if she would be technically considered a dreamer but there are a lot of people who have lived here for decades and this would instantly change their lives too.

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You already have a better deal right now...DACA is here to stay...it is literally renewable indefinitely every 2 years (I first got it in 2012...exactly 1o years ago...and still renewing). why would you want to settle for 2nd class status with this 10 year permit..you will be giving up a GC for 10 years....These Dems their strategy is to ensure we get anything BUT a GC..They want DACA and DACA recipients to be here for life to serve their purpose...

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whats the alternative proposal? the 10 yr bbb immigration proposal is encoded as law and will take 2/3rds 66% supermajority to be repealed by both House and Senate in the future. (e.g Obamacare, which they cant repeal for the last 12 yrs) Courts can strike down DACA any time. so you’re telling me if this passes, you’re gonna stay on DACA 2 yr renewal? if BBB passes, you probably will get automatically get grandfathered in to a 10 yr.

dont wanna get into the politics of democrats and republicans, nobody gives a shit about that. all i care about is what we can get with the hand we are dealt.

if you have any alternative proposals that are in line with whats happening in the Hill right now, im all ears.

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The 10 year deal you speak of....will pretty much guarantee we will not get any green cards for that time frame...10 year DACA....no traveling...seems like a very bad second class citizen deal...

We should be pushing for immediate legalization (what Dems and big time immigrant groups UWD are opposed to).

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pretty sure the Dems and Immigrant advocacy groups pushed that 2x in the BBB.

push #1 was the immediate legalization via green cards.
push #2 was the changing of the registry date to 2010.

both shot down by the parliamentarian.

please give me an alternative that is in line with whats happening in Congress right now.

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They probably paid off the parliamentarian.....The two happiest people in Congress when she voted no on those were definitely Chucky and Nancy...Its their ultimate playbook..Nancy likes to "declare victory" when she passes stuff in the house and knows its going nowhere in the Senate....Chucky likes to make big time shows (aka that BS Shutdown) to make it seem like they're doing something but in the end his end goal is always to ensure everything fails...

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okay that story is cool and all.

but what’s the endgame? if BBB passes miraculously, are u gonna apply for the 10 yr daca or opt out?

im not disagreeing with you, bro. sure we can push for immediate legalization for current dacaers. im all for that, i would love the current 800k dacaers and essential workers only to be legalized but thats not on the table right now.

whats your alternative?

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i mean im taking whatever immigration provision Congress passes that would benefit me.

im on daca and have no say on policy changes and dont have the luxury to pick and choose if i want a green card, citizenship, or a 10 yr work permit.

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question regarding "being paroled", does that mean it we can adjust if we have a pathway to greencard such as marriage?

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if you came in illegally then yes.

Parole allows an individual, who may be inadmissible or otherwise ineligible for admission into the United States, to be paroled into the United States for a temporary period. ... An individual who is paroled into the U.S. has not been formally admitted into the United States for purposes of immigration law.

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One thing no one has mentioned about the program is the logistics in implementing it. 7MM is a lot and the immigration system already has a serious backlog in regards to daca, green cards, and asylum.... With the current state of things.. it may take a year to actually get approved through the parole program if its passes.

I don't see anything in the bill that will help alleviate the current backlog or situation.

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The problem w/ Parole is that it no longer makes us "special".

It lumps us in with a bunch of other categories of migrants - some considered less "deserving".
It increases the numbers of people in this quasi-legal status from 800k to 7M.
That's a huge jump.
It's a lot harder to convince people to give out greencards to that many people at once.

Also - there's a real possibility that because we're no longer "unique" in our struggle... our plight will get ignored even more. That our thunder will be stolen by other groups who will have more numbers and a very different agenda in mind.

I think it was a mistake of the DACA movement to mix our stuff with the TPS people and other social justice movements.

Nothing wrong with them but that's the main problem with every social justice movement- they're always trying to be inclusive and when you are too inclusive and include too many in the movement:
The movement becomes too large and shaky. The scope and size of the movement becomes too great and too impossible to achieve.
Too many people pulling the movement in too many different directions.

We went from being about legalizing ourselves to this wild and impossible position that "no human is illegal" and that we should legalize everyone.
That's impossible.
It's not gonna happen.
These goddamn UWD liberals keep pushing that shit so they can get their donation dollars. They don't want something small but achievable that includes most of what we want.
Oh no.
They always ask for a pie in the moon and it always fails.

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That's an excellent point.

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If plan C include travel WITHOUT advance parole, then fine (then it's more or less green card for 10 years lol). But if advance parole is still required, then Parliamentarian should reject this, is what I hope.

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The reality is that green cards for folks with DACA is not happening. We've been "unique" for over 20 years.... Year after year, bill after bill, administration after administration with the same results.

It's a hard pill to swallow but that's the reality. The bill isn't great but it's better than the alternative which is basically Trump 2.0 re-rescinding DACA and TPS and actually succeeding...

Obviously citizenship is my top choice, but by taking a look at the way things are, I rather take a 10 yr permit written in law, then a 2 year permit that can be revoked by the next president..

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Older dreamer here, ecstatic to take whatever is passed at this point. We got left off the original dream bill and I'm sick and tired of waiting for the perfect bill that so far has only rewarded a few while most immigrants who were here first languish away for decades.

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There will never be the perfect bill and that is what people dont understand. Take the small victories and this bill, if passes, is a small victory and something we can build on.

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This is why I hope it passes. The DREAMers that did not qualify for DACA deserve to know the same peace we have had (despite the Trump/Sessions bullshit). It will also allow people who can legalize through current avenues to take advantage of that.


Exactly. It is better to walk away with this one small victory than to be left with nothing when the court kills DACA the next time around.

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Yeah I can't even express how hurtful it was to be left out of the original DACA and then again off the expanded version. I just want SOMETHING to pass that includes me and puts me back in the system so I can build off it.

As for the "it means we're not special anymore" or "this means we'll never get a greencard" stuff I'm reading, people are acting like this is going to be the end-all. This is just going to be the beginning. In 10 years, a lot can happen - if we get a friendly congress/president, we might still be special and the Dream Act could still pass. If we get an asshole Republican congress/president then we have protection that they can't take away easily.

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It’s astounding that some people here don’t have the mental capability to understand this. It also makes me think that they’re realizing it’s not going to be instant, permanent legalization and the thought of either putting in the effort to better their situation or sitting on the sidelines the next 10 years terrifies them. Get what you can, build on top of it or don’t apply, if it passes. I’m not going wish this tanks or demand for more because so-and-so on here is miserably bitter everyone and their pets won’t get green cards by next week.

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I agree, the hypocrisy of some it's astonishing.

Some crying about it's their parent's fault, and hoping it doesn't pass. Weak very weak minded. A lot of those people remind me of a Ted Cruz type character, very low self esteem asswipes.

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Dude, this is not about character fitness anymore. Everyone has been at this crusade for years and the bullshit never ends.
Everyone wants to move on with their lives but they can't. They are stuck and they're expressing their frustrations here in this forum because there's literally nothing else they can do but wail their misery like banshees.
Have a modicum of sympathy ffs instead of spewing some tryhard gunner crap.

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Agree and disagree with your points.

Firstly, "advocates" should be *undocumented* people primarily- not UWD members who are now residents or citizens. Simply because we are our best voice and no one else can represent our interests the same.

Secondly, the Democrats need to include a path to citizenship - doing this independently of the 10yr program. Time to deliver because in case you have not heard, there is now a new Covid-19 mutation that is hundreds percent more infectious. No one who is unvaccinated should be allowed to travel internationally or this will continue forever.

Thirdly, if there is any "special" group anymore is the essential workers.

I am hopeful that we get a positive resolution.

Fin.