Senate Goddess says no again
 

https://twitter.com/PabloReports/sta...23555951603713


Party's over, everyone go home.

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I honestly don't care for her anymore. It just feels like she's showing some personal anti-immigration view at this point. I thought initially she was trying to uphold senate rules by not allowing immediate Greencards

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Well then I guess it’s time for Dems to put up or shut up.

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Buahaha anyone surprised? Told y’ll. They should have fired that piece of trash. Chuck Schumer is absolute crap.

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Not really… I hope democrats get fucking destroyed in 2022.

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These motherfuckers wasted weeks…fucking weeks introducing shit to an unelected official who could have been fired long time ago. Spineless bitches. It’s not even spineless. These fuckers just give preference to an unelected official and her position. Fucking bullshit

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Meh, honestly it wouldn’t make sense to fire her given the fact that Manchin and Sinema aren’t onboard. I hope those two assholes aren’t around much longer.

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That’s true. But, this ho shouldn’t be the roadblock. Progressives giving up leverage in the house didn’t help either.

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At this point she wants our blood because nothing else will satisfy her. Praying that something happens. Non daca people are counting on it

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it's clear as fuck dems. are just there to stall agendas & wait out the clock until midterms (to become lame ducks) whenever they get majorities in congress. The markets (read donors) love gridlock. I refuse to believe this level of incompetence is anything but intentional.

They should've done for the people's act, legalized pot, prison reform, infra, immigration, and tossed those traitors in jail by now.

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Fucking bitch. Fuck Democrats for pretending like she runs things.

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same reason as before - not surprised. They should have just codified DACA - but she'd probably say it also is a substantial policy change even if it exists already:

@camiloreports
"These are substantial policy changes with lasting effects just like those we previously considered and outweigh the budgetary impact," the parliamentarian wrote. Here’s her full guidance.

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I'll go ahead and say it. Every now and then cancer gets it right.

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The ball is on the Democrats' court.

They have to grow some balls and fire her.
However, I know they won't.

So, they will get wiped out during midterms- per usual.

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I was hopeful but not surprised.

But lmao @ the ones who were quick to wish the bill failed or that this plan was trash and DOA are the first ones predictably crying in this thread.

Maybe next time!

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Move on to plan D.


D as in Daca Only legislation.

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Good news is that there are still a lot of letters left in the alphabet.

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They don't have a strong voice to tell them fire the bitch, suck up your feelings

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who the fuck is she & y does she have so much power

she was never voted into the office

she's basically like the janitor at gov't building getting paid wages like every other employee

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It’s not the plan’s failure we are angry about smart one (because the plan was trash). It’s the fact that Senate Dems are letting her serve as the gatekeeper and pretending like there is nothing they can do. That’s the fucking problem.

Sure, Manchin and Sinema were other obstacles, but don’t pretend to make the parliamentarian the obstacle because she isn’t.

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Asked if there was a "Plan D," Durbin told reporters: "Not at this point."

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Plan D (D for democrats) was using parliamentarian as an excuse not to pass anything or try genuinely.

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Its most likely has to do with the scope and potential impact of granting some kind of legal status to 7MM people.

Based on the language she used, it seems like any change in immigration status outweighs the budgetary impact. I think the only option she may approve would be providing a longer work permit to an already established group ( TPS & DACA ...) That should solely have a budgetary impact since those groups already exist... of course, this is just speculation....

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Bro stop trying to logic this, the Senate Goddess does not make decisions based on logic. She has contradicted herself multiple times already.

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These people dont want us ...period. They don't want 700k dreamers who are already in the database ....and these lawmakers are showing us they are "trying" to grant status to 7mil. Lets be honest. Are they funded by unitedwedream?

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https://about.bgov.com/news/immigrat...-alternatives/

Immigration Loss Leaves Democrats Eyeing Risky Alternatives (1)
Senate parliamentarian rebuffed deportation protection plan
Lawmakers consider edits or long-shot bid to ignore opinion
December 17, 2021 12:28 PM
By Ellen M. Gilmer
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(Updates throughout with additional lawmaker comments.)

Democrats are desperate for a path forward on immigration in their social spending and tax bill after suffering a potentially fatal procedural blow.

Their remaining options are politically and logistically risky: watering down their latest proposal or attempting to sidestep a Senate rules official. But the stakes are high for finding a solution.

“It’ll have a hard time passing the Senate if there’s not something on immigration,” Sen. Alex Padilla (D-Calif.) said. Senate Democrats plan to discuss their options during a meeting Friday afternoon.

Senate parliamentarian Elizabeth MacDonough issued an opinion Thursday saying a proposal to offer work permits and deportation protections through a status known as parole for some undocumented immigrants conflicts with the chamber’s rules.

Legislation passed under the reconciliation process Democrats are using to pursue their agenda bill (H.R. 5376) must be primarily budget-related. Thursday’s opinion marks the third time the parliamentarian has rejected Democrats’ immigration proposals.

“The proposed parole policy is not much different in its effect than the previous proposals we have considered,” the opinion said. It doesn’t address separate provisions that would alleviate green card backlogs in the legal immigration system; those remain untested and in limbo.

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Yep, it did previously get us rid of John McCain.

"But McCain voted no on Obamacare repeal"
Yeah and do you think that he'd vote no if he didn't get accosted by the grim reaper in the bathroom?

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I think it's over and we 've been royally fucked. I will keep hoping until this thing is dead and buried and hopefully I am wrong. It doesn't seem likely though.

It's a gut punch. I am devastated.

I don't wish ill on the parliamentarian. She's doing the job she's been assigned to do and that job is to give legal advice on whether a piece of legislation comports with the parameters of the process they chose. Why wish ill of a person doing their job? And if we are honest, it's not that she's saying something that's way out there. Reconciliation was invented in order to make the passing of bills involving the budget. This is a wider matter.

Democrats chose reconciliation, because they didn't have 60 votes. They didn't have 60 votes even though there are more than 10 Republicans in the senate who would support immigration reform, but they don't because their party base doesn't want them to and if they do, they will suffer dearly. They bear share of the blame and so do their voters.

Democrats can pass legislation with 51 votes, but at least two of them will not vote to abolish the filibuster, probably because they don't want to take tough votes that will hunt them politically and because they can play up the idea they were bipartisan. It's a bad idea that stops all sorts of useful legislation, it's undemocratic as the US system already has too many veto points and if anything it stops bipartisan compromise. It sucks but that's the situation we 're in.

The decision to overrule the parliamentarian ultimately also requires 51 votes. The dynamic is similar to abolishing the filibuster. It's very hard to do.

Firing the parliamentarian is a fantasy. It doesn't take away her already made decisions and it doesn't do away with the office of the parliamentarian. The people working at the office aren't partisan hacks, they are career bureaucrats. Republicans did fire the parliamentarian in 2001 in a hissy fit, but that didn't change the decision that prompted the firing.

If I were a dreamer, I would still hold some hope. As Padilla said there's enormous pressure to do something on immigration and if they go down a more narrow path and legalizing dreamers is one of the least controversial things they can do.

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At this point might as well root for Manchin to dig in and doom BBB. It ain’t worth a cent without immigration provision.

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8) No comment

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Guys lets use some simple logic....they dont want to give any student debt relief(which benefits mostly american citizens) but we are here hoping they will pass legislation that benefits non american citizens? im done lieing to myself hoping these incompetent "leaders" will do anything for us. Theres more but thats just 1 example

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Not a good comparison but I see your point

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You do have a point but two things. Green cards/ Work Permits will help fund government entitlements and increase tax revenue. Forgiving student loans will only add to the deficit... government revenue from students is important especially for budget implications.


Dems promises are empty since we know already know the stances of the hold-out... and pro-immigration rhetoric, not from Manchin is lip service for donations.

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Manchin is more than happy to have the parliamentarian as a first line of defense without having to expose himself too much

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I am happy to see someone else here has sense. It's quite sad to see people here stooping so low to wish ill on someone just doing their job. There was nothing wrong with her ruling that immigration has nothing to do with the budget.

In any case, DACA for all is not a solution. They need to at least pass some sort of path to a GC for dreamers.

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But hey, orange man bad eh?

NPCs got the senile old man in office and as expected, he wont deliver and only destroy the country's economy Good job believing the MSM!

Pray that DHS/USCIS is able to transform C33 into C14 because that Judge will axe DACA one day and we will be beyond done with this useless administration that only knows how to make everything worse.

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Well, you won't get a DACA for all and you won't get a green card. Happy? I'm not wishing ill on anybody - just not giving a damn one way or another about her battle because she doesn't care about our battle.

If you think she was unbiased as a former INS lawyer, then you can believe in Santa Claus too. She should have recused herself of this ruling if anything.

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I don’t see why anyone is surprised here to be honest. Schumer has been against us ever since he took the role of leadership, all he does is give us lip service. Also, why shall we expect the Democratic Party to deliver for us when they can’t even deliver to the American people?

Lastly, do we really expect them to fix our issue? They use us for political votes and money. They have become the party of “look, we will leave you alone, but we will not fix your immigration issue because we need this issue come election time”

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Even if the outcome would still have been unfavorable after firing the bitch, nobody likes these fucking theatrics. Nobody likes to be patronized. This isn’t the WWE. These fuckers were elected to fight authentically and fight hard for the pressing issues facing this country. This isn’t fighting. This a theatrical show and waste of a good opportunity.