Immigration "throw under the bus deal" in the works
 

I've outlined the potential sticking points w/DACA holders who are not under congressionally approved protections that this bill may supersede in a court challenge

https://www.cnn.com/2024/01/26/polit...der/index.html

cliffs:

- Mandatory detention of all single adults.

- Mandatory “shut down” of border once average daily migrant encounters hits 5,000. Importantly, this 5,000 number includes 1,400 CBP One app entries at ports of entry per day, and roughly 3,600 illegal crossings per day.

- How is that enforced? Once the 5,000 threshold is hit, a new authority is codified into law that requires Border Patrol to immediately remove illegal immigrants they catch without processing. They would not get to request asylum, they would immediately be removed. This includes removals back to Mexico, and deportations to home countries....

- This “shut down” also takes effect is there are 8,500 migrant encounters in a single day.

- The “shut down” would not lift the next day. It wouldn’t lift until daily encounters are reduced to under 75% of the 5,000 threshold for at least two weeks. This means the “shut down” authority would not lift until two weeks of an average of less than 3,750 migrant encounters per day.

- Some family units will be released with ATD (Alternatives to Detention, ankle monitors etc).

- New removal authority to immediately remove all migrants who do not have valid asylum claims, which will be determined within 6 months rather than the years long process we have right now.

- Any migrant caught trying to cross twice during “shut down” phase would be banned from entering US for one year.

Re: Immigration "throw under the bus deal" in the works
 

The deal is already declared dead, so the terms don't matter anymore. These terms were too soft for Trump and the House conservatives. The next bill will be even worse and if the GOP takes control, all non-citizen/Green card holders will suffer.

Re: Immigration "throw under the bus deal" in the works
 

Trump is looking strong in this election.

Re: Immigration "throw under the bus deal" in the works
 

He WILL come back, will win with landslide this time. be glad Ramaswami and De Santis dropped out. our safest option is Trump winning like it or not.

Re: Immigration "throw under the bus deal" in the works
 

Absolutely, it wasn't perfect but the 100% fact is that DACA was being discussed openly to be included as part of the immigration solution under Trump and part of the negotiations under the previous immigration deals. It may be uncomfortable for some because "orange man bad" but the most talks we had about a DACA solution was under Trump and not Biden.. Irony of it all.

The current "deal" that is not a great deal at all and doesn't do anything to really fix the border or immigration. This doesn't help us at all.

Re: Immigration "throw under the bus deal" in the works
 

Dreamers and longtime undocumented truly got pushed under the bus in this deal!

Democrats got concessions like green cards for Documented Dreamers and Afghans.

Re: Immigration "throw under the bus deal" in the works
 

DACA killed under Trump

"hey guise, guise, they were talking about how they killed DACA" Holy herp derp batman.

Re: Immigration "throw under the bus deal" in the works
 

It's like clockwork. People are so ignorant and stupid.
The new year begins, it happens to be an election year, and bam! All of a sudden, the "crisis at the border" takes the spotlight again. Why can people see this republican playbook move year that keeps getting recycled over and over.

Re: Immigration "throw under the bus deal" in the works
 

To be fair, there is an actual mess at the border and it has been highlighted before 2024 and is not new. Record number of illegal crossings has been happening for awhile now. Even Democrats are calling it out that it is not sustainable.

Let's not be ignorant to the fact that Democrats campaigned on helping dreamers and immigrants, let's call out both sides. Where is the hard push for us from the politicians that made their campaign promises?

It's easy to blame republicans but we should be holding Dems accountable too.

Re: Immigration "throw under the bus deal" in the works
 

Nothing new to see or discuss. Same shit, different toilet.
There is no hard push for us because there are no votes! What, are we going to hold our breath on Sinema and Manchin?

Re: Immigration "throw under the bus deal" in the works
 

100%, the votes are not there and have not been there for decades. Immigration will not pass until one party has a super majority

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And now we have Biden saying he will "Shut down the border".... Like what???

To your point vft1008, about how it is an election year and now the "talks" begin... I just never expected Biden to flip in that direction....

Re: Immigration "throw under the bus deal" in the works
 

I wouldn't give a cent to grifter immigrant 'rights' orgs which only take donations for political posturing.
It's unrealistic, inhumane and ridiculous that a legalization program for those who have lived in the country the longest is not part of this budget.

The country needs workers, teachers, health care providers.
Immigrants in the country need stability.
ALL(citizen and immigrant) need safety.

Re: Immigration "throw under the bus deal" in the works
 

Once they know the bill is DOA, it is all about the blame game and trying to mitigate the political damage. Everything you read, hear, or see about this will be lip service from the politicians.

Dems in the Senate will vote on the bill so that they can run on it and blame House Republicans. The GOP will say that Biden can use executive action and doesn't need the bill.. All the while, immigrants will be left in the wind.

Re: Immigration "throw under the bus deal" in the works
 

I have been saying this from Day 1. These organizations ALWAYS come out in numbers to oppose any bills that have any sort of legalization. They come out asking for "reject this! instead we want Clean DA, immediate citizenship for all!". They do this to make sure nothing passes and at the same time to fool the naive people into thinking they are "fighting hard". Its the biggest scam in history. They are taking in tons of cash and paying their top people over $100K easy. They are nowhere to be seen right now because this bill doesn't have any sort of legalization. They are safe.

Re: Immigration "throw under the bus deal" in the works
 

Any sort of "Border deal" or "Immigration reform" that does not include immediate legalization of all dreamers AT LEAST and/or legalization of other undocumented who have been here for ages with clean records.....is embarassing...Can't believe they're not pushing for this the Democrats...

Re: Immigration "throw under the bus deal" in the works
 

The way to do it should be a compromise issue a "Work Permit + travel Permit" to Daca Holders+Parents of Daca holders/citizens/ people here 20+ years. Use the money collected from fees and tax revenue to pay for the benefits and assistance given to asylum seekers crossing the border, also reform the asylum process, reform border security, and have permanent renewal of registry date

Re: Immigration "throw under the bus deal" in the works
 

While all of this makes sense, immigration as an issue is too valuable for Congress to actually solve. Both parties run on a broken immigration system and feel it gets people to vote.. Whenever a bill or deal is struck.. one group finds a way to kill it. The struggle over immigration is more valuable to DC than the solution

Our role in America is to be the political pawns or bargaining chips.

Re: Immigration "throw under the bus deal" in the works
 

And that too in an election year....a presidential election year..no Sir...nothing is passing. Seeing this for the past 23 years. Biggest crooks...Congress...coupled with mafia immigrant "advocate" organizations milking the poor people out of cash...