Is It Time To Move On From the Democratic Party?
 

I understand that this topic may be sensitive for some individuals, and there are differing opinions on the matter. With that being said, let's begin.

Over the years, the Republican party has been known for their stance on immigration and their commitment to fulfilling promises made to their supporters. They have also been dedicated to issues such as abortion, which has contributed to their success in elections and their expansion of the Supreme Court advantage to 3.

Many of us have supported Democratic policies and candidates, whether through volunteering, encouraging friends and family to vote, or donating to their cause in hopes of achieving permanent residency. However, it is evident that the Democratic establishment has not met our expectations.

During his presidency, Obama had control of the White House, Senate, and House. Some may argue that he provided DACA, but it is worth considering the motivations behind this decision.

Initially opposed to DACA, Obama ultimately implemented it after being persuaded by Harry Reid to secure Latino votes in 2012. While Obama may have known that DACA would not fully address the issue at hand, he still chose to enact it during a crucial time for his political agenda. It is also worth noting that the Dream Act was not passed by the Democrats in 2010, despite controlling all branches of government.

Looking back from 2009 to 2024, it has been 15 years and the Democrats have not achieved anything. During his four years in the White House, Biden and Harris did not mention us at all, not even when his harsh immigration bill was introduced.

Similar to Obama, he attempted to offer a last-minute concession in the final months of the elections in order to secure the Latino vote. Despite knowing that this law would likely not withstand a court challenge, they proceeded with it anyway, potentially manipulating our emotions.

If the Democratic party truly cares about us, why have they not at least granted a pardon to us Dreamers? While this may not solve all of our issues, it could be a step in the right direction. Biden and Harris opened the door wide open for South Americans to come in and adjust quickly, while Dreamers and other hard-working immigrant communities who have been here for decades are left in limbo.

Which brings me back to my earlier question: is it worth considering leaving the Democratic Party and becoming an Independent? I am only interested in having serious discussions on this matter. If you are not willing to engage in a mature conversation, please refrain from responding.

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It's an abusive relationship between the Dreamers and the democrats.
Dreamers have nowhere to go , so they stay with the Democrats.
Also, all the organizations and most of the spokespersons that claim to represent us (United We Dream, etc) are liberal. That fact naturally draws the ire of conservatives.
An influential portion of the Republicans made crystal clear that they dislike us and wants us deported so there's no way to deal with them in a meaningful way.
If Dreamers leave the Democrats behind, then they fade into oblivion and irrelevancy.
Dreamers need the Democrats more than the Democrats need them. In this country, the independents mean nothing. I can not name a single movement or political pressure group that is relevant without the backing or tacit acceptance of one of the big political parties.
There are many causes competing for attention from the public and this alignment is what allows us to stay in the spotlight somewhat so people don't forget we exist!

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since i actually have a brain i noticed what was going on in 2017-2018 with Trump, the domnratic party and DACA, my support for the demonrat party INSTANTLY dissapeared.

watch as Trump fixes our stuff while the demonrat party seethes.

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I believe that as dreamers, we have been led to believe that we have limited options, which has contributed to a strong loyalty to the Democratic party. However, some organizations have not been very helpful to our cause either. They have extreme views that are not realistic.

These organizations advocate for citizenship for all, abolishing ICE, shutting down immigration detentions, and opening borders. Their all-or-nothing approach is not practical. These organizations want to prolong the issue to maintain funding.

While I have supported the Democratic party in the past, my loyalty is starting to waver. After decades of control, their response to our situation has been inadequate. We cannot accept a stance of "we won't fix your situation, but we won't deport you either" any longer. One possible reason for the decline in support for the Democratic party in the recent elections could be the unfulfilled promises made to Latinos in the past.

Many Latinos had previously supported the party in hopes of improvements to their family or friend's immigration status, but with these promises not being met and facing financial challenges under the Biden administration, some may have chosen to vote differently this time around. This situation should serve as a wake-up call to the Democratic party.

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Honestly, dreamers have no choice but the weak and pathetic Democrats. With Dems, there is a small chance of legalization. With independent, which got 0.5% vote this presidential election, there is no chance.

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The reality is that, yes, this should serve as a wake up call to the Democratic party. Look at someone like Tulsi who has left the party and many others. Someone like Elon, who in the past supported the party and voted for Obama. If it wasn't for the media running the propaganda arm for the party, the party would have absolutely lost by even bigger margins.

I challenge everyone to be "independent" in their thinking and to be open minded to any candidate, no matter the candidate's political party. We should choose the best person from there, as it should always be.

I think many people are waking up to the reality that all the party does is lip service. I hope that the Democratic party reforms itself after this loss, has genuine discourse, has honest self reflections and healthy competitions in upcoming elections.

If you step back and compare the Democratic party of today, compared to say 2010s, 2000s, 1990s, you will find a party that is radically different. It is pretty clear, that the party just follows the trends and operates like true politicians and gives us lip service to win elections.

To your point, at least the Republicans actually have been way more consistent in their beliefs and positions.

The solution? Candidates that actually believe in what they say, candidates that people can actually believe will solve the issues. Not candidates that have been fed by the Machine, not candidates that were forced upon people (aka Kamala), not candidates that did complete 180s on most of their positions (aka Kamala), not candidates that came across as fake (aka Kamala).

The party needs another organic figure to rise up, something like Bernie Sanders achieved but was ultimately screwed by the elites in the party. This time around, the party needs to let natural competition play it self out and allow an authentic figure to take the new leadership of the party.

Today the party is lost, Biden is leaving, the party elders like Nancy are on their way out. Who is leading the party? Nobody knows.

I foresee a long road ahead for the party.

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Yes. Republicans are the keys to passing DA. Trump wants to give GC to college graduates. I voted Republican in the elections.

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Latinos for Trump!

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Majority of the voters voted for Republicans.

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Yes I agree UWD hurts us more than help most of the time. Ive recently gone to their page and they've gotten even more liberal than before and are basically a LGBTQIABCDE+ page that also happens to speak on immigration. They've lost the plot and found a new source of income.

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blast them for it, comment on their sht. they are our worst enemy.

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https://www.instagram.com/p/C6PKgiJp...en&img_index=1

Look at this crap. Pure liberal filth.
The whole leftist starter pack.
Rainbow flags. Check. Palestinian flag. Check. Loud colors to appeal to braindead youth. Check.
No wonder why we are so utterly fucked with these imbeciles running around, getting donations, and claiming to be for us.

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https://www.instagram.com/p/C6PKgiJp...en&img_index=1

UWD instagram

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I just going to keep saying the same thing I’ve been saying for years. Democrats are not the one trying to put us in camps. They’re not the ones saying trans are worth less than human beings


“But but democrats are not doing anything for us!!”

“But but democrats had controls of congress during the Obama years and didn’t do anything to help us!”


https://i.ibb.co/Mpz12zg/IMG-9195.jpg

https://i.ibb.co/k99BQ0S/IMG-9001.jpg

If republicans don’t give a fuck about the people who put them in power. What makes you Tios Toms republicans are going to give a fuck about you? Republicanism is founded on pure racism. These people believe the white man is superior to everyone else.

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Yeah it is time to move on from the Democratic Party but the decision certainly isn't toward the Republican Party.

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I bet half DACAs will move over to GOP if only GOP gives them something in return

that is 250k votes in blue states going over to GOP

Be smart GOP do something for us!

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Exactly! I hope they pass something now that they have the majority in congress along with the presidency.

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What a bunch of tios Tom’s you dumb fucks are

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“We have made our demands clear: a permanent ceasefire and a free palestine”

Damn I just threw up. UWD standing with terrorists now. No wonder we never get anywhere with these people being out mouth pieces on news reports.

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DACA pathway was actually a topic of conversation during Trumps first term. Not once in 4 fucking years did Biden even put us in the spotlight. He was too busy giving Venezuelans and other immigrants a pathway and longer work permits.

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I would switch idgaf anymore. I’ve supported the Dems all my life but now I realize they are too weak and spineless to ever get anything fucking passed. Plus their supporters are out of their fucking mind rn with their woke identity politics and DEI.

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Lmao this guy basically called people who don't agree with him house niggers. Time to leave the Democratic plantation, brother. You are the Left's house nigger.

Leftists show you their true colors, when you dont agree with them. The left are the true racists. Which party founded the KKK, buddy?

Nobody cares about identify and woke politics anymore, dude. Thats why the left lost.

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What is the southern strategy? Or are you really going to claim that US south was liberal during the civil war, reconstructions, segregation, etc?

Stop watching PragerU, that stuff will rot your brain.

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We can agree to disagree on things here and i respect the knowledge you give us on immigration topics.

Lets be honest, the Democratic Party currently is a lost party. They virtue signal a lot and when Trump won the election, leftists were calling for deportation and lynching of latino voters and black voters who voted for Trump.

Leftists are racists to the core once you take of the their mask when you dont agree with them. Atleast far right people tell you straight up they dont like you, they dont mask their disdain for you via virtue signaling which is worse

Liberals are the literal Pharisees of our time. A bunch of people who scream about goodness in public while being the worst people imaginable behind closed doors.

Stop watching Hasan Piker, The View and TYT, that stuff gives you brainrot.

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And who exactly was calling for that? Most I've seen was just them waiting for some comeuppance.
Honestly I'd like to see that too because I sure am not going to shed any tears if you, beingoflight, or any Trump voter's mail order bride gets deported. Neither I'm going to shed any tears about the farmers that'll get wrecked by tariffs a second time. Or all the dumbasses complaining about prices of eggs when the next wave of tariffs, idiotic money printing, good old fashioned greed, and the ongoing bird flu causes their precious eggs to skyrocket in price too.

Fuck, let it all burn to the ground.

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Don't you think that's what Trump voters voted for? They also want it all (The government) to burn to the ground. Liberals are just mad they're not the ones doing it.

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If I recall correctly the main seethe they had was about the economy, because in their lead damaged brains they somehow think that the dude that caused all that inflation was somehow the fault of the next guy and that tariffs will somehow make stuff cheaper.
Second main seethe was about transgender people daring to exist.

So, yeah, you definitely have the anarchists from /pol/ but I don't think that all the dumbasses googling "can I change my vote" the day after the election really want an economic collapse and I hope they'll starve when it comes.

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Only thing that pissed me off is when they let everyone in through the border and they FORGOT about us. They were giving newcomers 10k debit cards, cellphones, free housing, and longer work permits. Come on, man. At least be fair on this one.

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Really now? Got a source on that one? Because I do distinctly remember the whole stink about bussing them to NYC because NYC has a right to shelter law on the books. Feels a bit weird for the feds to not just house them somewhere in Nebraska for a quarter of the cost.

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The migrant families enrolled in the program will continue to receive debit cards through the end of the year.

Mayor Eric Adams' office says when the program is over, they will go back to providing boxed meals for those migrants.

"I am worried about these families 'cause we're gonna go right back to where we were in the beginning when families used to come to me and say, 'I'm getting frozen meals at the shelters, I'm getting these boxed meals with just crackers and sandwiches, and this is all I'm getting,'" migrant advocate Power Malu said.

The debit cards were provided by the company Mobility Capital Finance through a no-bid contract.

https://www.cbsnews.com/newyork/news...grants-ending/

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One-way plane tickets: NYC offers migrants free travel anywhere to move

New York City is moving migrants out of shelters and offering them plane tickets to anywhere in the world.

NEW YORK — Here’s one approach to discourage migrants from settling in New York City: Give them a free, one-way plane ticket out of town.

Mayor Eric Adams is ramping up efforts to fly migrants to the destination of their choice, figuring it’s cheaper than sheltering them for months on end. And he’s simultaneously warning that those opting to stay in New York may be in for a winter of sleeping outside with shelters full.


https://www.politico.com/news/2023/1...rides-00123778


This was the program the illegal that killed Laken Riley used to fly to Georgia.

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Okay so like, you do realize that NYC is a different polity from the federal government right? Well credit where it's due, you proved that kinda somewhat existed, so what you'd move to NYC if you could make use of that?

"Housing" also I presume is similarly NYC's right to shelter law where they have to find you a bed if you show up sober at a homeless shelter. Cell phones are I'd also presume an NYC thing because these days you literally can't exist without internet access.
So hey, if you want whatever bargain bin android from 5 years ago and a cot next to 5 other dudes then come on over to NYC.
EADs kinda just followed the thing they did for other categories too (and hey give republicans their fair share of blame for stopping eDACA), though the 180+ day waiting period to apply for an EAD via asylum still left a bunch of people being essentially wards of the state.

Is it a bit fucked that new arrivals are given priority? Sure, the thing you have to remember is that none of those guys waiting at the southern border are illegal immigrants, instead they're all applicants for asylum. So hey if your country of origin goes to shit remember to file within 1 year of that. But here you just drank the coolaid and believed Donald Trump out of all the miserable shitweasels that people lining up at a border checkpoint are somehow illegals.

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Yeah sure they are not illegals cause they are "seeking ayslum" the current administration lowered the threshold of what that is and removed the remain in Mexico policy and wait to be processed but whatever, we're gonna disagree on specifics and policy but lets be honest, in optics it's not a good look for the public.

If all that didn't happen at the border and immigration not being the issue, I'm pretty sure Kamala Harris is the President-elect right now.

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I strongly align with the libertarians in that I want to mind my own business and have everyone else mind their own business. But the Puritans settled first and made it their business to police everyone else.

Libertarians never win outright and they are mostly generated when republicans throw out someone for not following the party line. Or from people who are a little too optimistic. Besides many of their policies assume a smart and intelligent population, which given the recent election and pinheads googling "what are tariffs and can I change my vote" means it would not be effective. Democracy only works with an intelligent population or you get demagogues who can lie their way to the white house.

Seriously there were people voting against Obamacare not realizing until too late that its actually called the Affordable care act. Whoops! RUH ROH! Good luck with your pre-existing condition. Watch them scurry off to take advantage of Mexican health care as a last ditch effort.

And people voting for tariffs not realizing that tariffs were paid by the consumer side! Whoops!
Turns out the republican party didn't have your best interests in mind and you were just the useful idiot, patsy, fall guy, and bag holder.

So yeah, even if the Democrats are weak spineless pushovers day in and day out. They aren't the ones trying to actively damage us. At best we are just a 4th tier consideration. I don't see how anyone could see the rhetoric coming out of the mouths of republicans as anything but hostile. And I know some of you have some Stockholm syndrome for them, but no, they mean you harm. They want to put you in camps and subject you to humiliation. They want to place mines all over the border so they quickly shift due to the river and become a major problem for decades. Good luck finding the mines across 1,200 miles.

Now before anyone says: "but nuance not every republican". If there are three nazis at a table and a fourth person sits down they are likely a secret 4th nazi. And a rotten apple spoils the bunch. The bunch are now spoiled. Seriously, I've seen some republicans talking about "open season" on us. And "walk out or carried out."

They are so prideful and arrogant as to demand a military incursion in mexico without any mexican authorization or knowledge. Like we are some sort of colony of theirs. And yeah it can be a little inflammatory and I won't deny it stirs anger in me, but ultimately that fades into sadness. Sadness that because Mexico is the one nation in the US's sphere that doesn't bend over and lick boot like Pet nation Canada and all the Euros cowering under the NATO umbrella that its automatically marginalized and threatened periodically by the bi-polar US administration. Mexico is the only nation it seems that calls out the two-faced neighbor to the north. Its actually quite sad. The US and Mexico should be the bestest of buds in terms of nations. Both to promote free trade and regional integration, but also because its simply a wise investment in national security.

I love how they are so in love with following DEH LAWH but their president elect has 91 indictments and 35 felonies as if those will fade away. How about we start following the law there? No? The fish rots from the head.

But whatever, the election is over and now its time to reap what has been sown. If you don't like the taste of shit, stop planting shit trees.

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House of Representatives is gonna be 220-215.
217-215 at the worse for Republicans.. They'll figure something out.

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A close margin in the house gives too much power to fringe groups like the Freedom Caucus... The next congress is going to be chaotic

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There are still gonna be big number of Anti-Trumpers in House GOP

They will side with Dems

We just need 3

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I have my eye on the Dignity for Immigrants while Guarding our Nation to Ignite and Deliver the American Dream Act of 2023 or the DIGNIDAD (Dignity) Act of 2023. This is a GOP bill that has bipartisan support from the Problem Solvers Caucus


https://www.congress.gov/bill/118th-...ouse-bill/3599

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Biden just pardoned his son. He should pardon Dreamers too, but I bet he won’t do it. Didn’t mentioned us for 4 years during his administration, I doubt he will think of us now.

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Scumbag joe pardons his crackhead son, yet we are still the f**king unresolvable problem! �� lol