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dayDREAMer... 12-09-2008 10:14 PM

Illinois Gov. Facing Corruption Charges
 
http://www.cspan.org/Watch/watch.asp...aId=HP-A-13273

The governer was suppose to choose the replacement for the senate seat that president elect obama left.

Dick Durbin Suggest having a vote to replace the senate seat.

I'm worried about two things

1. The replacement was suppose to be pro-DREAM and democratic (unless i read some articles wrong), is there a chance that we get the complete opposite?

2. Will this process slow down the senate, and in turn slow down any bills that need to be passed - DREAM act?

8-bitPanda 12-09-2008 10:25 PM

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All this really means, or at least what I've hearing all day, is that Gov. Blagojevich wont be making any extra cash *sad face* and he'll most likely lose his seat as governor. I don't think we have to worry about a Republican getting the Senate seat if that's what you're worried about though.

hrvatica13 12-10-2008 01:34 AM

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It's about time he got caught. I can't believe all the shit he did... what's up with IL and our corrupt governors?

I think he will most likely resign as governor and Lt. Gov. Pat Quinn will replace him. Quinn will then get to appoint who will replace Obama's Senate seat. Quinn is a Democrat.

lilbawler2001 12-10-2008 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by hrvatica13 (Post 114489)
It's about time he got caught. I can't believe all the shit he did... what's up with IL and our corrupt governors?

I think he will most likely resign as governor and Lt. Gov. Pat Quinn will replace him. Quinn will then get to appoint who will replace Obama's Senate seat. Quinn is a Democrat.

Well, he is saying he's not going to resign. What a worthless piece of crap.:evil:

Ark 12-11-2008 01:18 AM

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The GOP is trying to tie Obama into the Blagojevich scandal. I watched a Republican on MSNBC making a bad attempt at incriminating him.

Durbin's calling for a special election instead of an appointment by the governor.

VaeVictis 12-11-2008 01:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Ark (Post 114587)
The GOP is trying to tie Obama into the Blagojevich scandal. I watched a Republican on MSNBC making a bad attempt at incriminating him.

Durbin's calling for a special election instead of an appointment by the governor.

No surprise on the part of the GOP. They're trying to de-legitimatize his presidency before it even gets under way, very similar to what they did successfully with Bill Clinton. In this instance, however, I don't think it's going to work very well. The conditions are too different; people aren't going to care as much.

CIR_DREAM2009 12-11-2008 09:39 AM

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^ I don't think that's right. To be sure, the Republicans tried to de-legitimize Clinton's Presidency, mostly with Monica-gate, but they failed because the public viewed it as a witch hunt. Clinton left office with higher approval ratings than President Reagan (66-65% for Clinton to 64-63% for Reagan) fueled by the booming economy in marked contrast to what we have now. These Presidents do have comparable scandals, but people remember Monica more than Iran-Contra because of its salaciousness and because its more recent. But people also remember the booming economy too. That's why you have Obama re-assembling the Clinton economic team that Clinton assembled. Before Clinton, the Democrats were not trusted on the economy at all because of Carter's performance (Carter has a great Ex-Presidency though), and because of the memory of the 90's economy and how well it ran, that helped Obama win the Presidency along with Obama's unique gifts.

As for Illinois, if there is a special election, I hope Obama campaigns for the Democrat, who I think should win because of the blue-ness of Illinois. A Republican can't take his seat, that's for sure!

sunny_thedreamer 12-11-2008 11:58 AM

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This things so messed you. I don't know why people and media making a big deal abt this. They r politician, not saint. Every politician makes deal for their own good. Do you think senator that oppose immigration, really care abt illegal immigration? Only reason they shout, is to create fear which in turn win election and don't worry abt debating substantial issue. All them are closet GAY.
There most likely going to be an special election. I hope and pray that a democrat with pro dream act and immigration view. But U never know. Republican might just eke out a victory. In that case we would loose a valuable vote. Why this kind of things don't happen to session or vitte or asshole senator from South Carolina (Demoiunt).

geronimo610 12-11-2008 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by sunny_thedreamer (Post 114606)
This things so messed you. I don't know why people and media making a big deal abt this. They r politician, not saint. Every politician makes deal for their own good. Do you think senator that oppose immigration, really care abt illegal immigration? Only reason they shout, is to create fear which in turn win election and don't worry abt debating substantial issue. All them are closet GAY.
There most likely going to be an special election. I hope and pray that a democrat with pro dream act and immigration view. But U never know. Republican might just eke out a victory. In that case we would loose a valuable vote. Why this kind of things don't happen to session or vitte or asshole senator from South Carolina (Demoiunt).

uh.... we don't expect them to be a saint. But we do expect them to OBEY THE LAW. You don't have to be a saint to obey the law or be so corrupt that you would sell the senate seat. That is breaking every moral and ethical boundaries as a politician.

DaLastHope 12-11-2008 09:12 PM

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Their is nothing like a good scandal to F**K progress.

VaeVictis 12-11-2008 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by CIR_Dream2007 (Post 114602)
^ I don't think that's right. To be sure, the Republicans tried to de-legitimize Clinton's Presidency, mostly with Monica-gate, but they failed because the public viewed it as a witch hunt. Clinton left office with higher approval ratings than President Reagan (66-65% for Clinton to 64-63% for Reagan) fueled by the booming economy in marked contrast to what we have now. These Presidents do have comparable scandals, but people remember Monica more than Iran-Contra because of its salaciousness and because its more recent. But people also remember the booming economy too. That's why you have Obama re-assembling the Clinton economic team that Clinton assembled. Before Clinton, the Democrats were not trusted on the economy at all because of Carter's performance (Carter has a great Ex-Presidency though), and because of the memory of the 90's economy and how well it ran, that helped Obama win the Presidency along with Obama's unique gifts.

As for Illinois, if there is a special election, I hope Obama campaigns for the Democrat, who I think should win because of the blue-ness of Illinois. A Republican can't take his seat, that's for sure!

You're right, the economy trumps scandals, and not too many people don't miss his administration. When I said they were successful, I was referring to the beginning of his presidency, when they brought up things like his Rhodes scholarship/60s activism, Whitewater and "don't ask, don't tell" to try to paint him as some liberal radical. It worked because the GOP swept to victory in the 1994 midterm elections (Mr. Gingrich's "Contract with America"), taking control of both houses for the first time since 1954. Comparing Clinton to Obama around the start of his term, however, I don't think the GOP is going to be succesful in linking him to the Illinois scandal.

CIR_DREAM2009 12-11-2008 11:13 PM

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^ Oh ok, then yes, you're right. the Republicans pushed a lot of faux scandals early on in the Clinton Administration that unfortunately worked for the 1994 elections. But in 1994, there were also problems with corrupt Democratic members of Congress like Rep. Dan Rostenkowski (of Illinois), and that helped the Republicans to run unbelievably on clean government and reforming government.

I think "de-legitimized" is the incorrect term to use and would use "scorched Earth" politics instead. Fortunately, the public wised up a bit and Republican tactics backfired later on in the Clinton Administration. However, Gore and Kerry fell victim to unethical Republican attacks (although Gore did technically win through the popular vote and the Supreme Court conservatives stole the election for Bush by stopping the FL Supreme Court ordered recount).

I'm not too worried about Obama. He showed during the campaign that he can handle Republican attacks and make them seem desperate and petty. Bush's utter failure as a President helps to fuel the public distrust of the Republicans as well.

VaeVictis 12-12-2008 12:02 AM

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Originally Posted by CIR_Dream2007 (Post 114647)
^ Oh ok, then yes, you're right. the Republicans pushed a lot of faux scandals early on in the Clinton Administration that unfortunately worked for the 1994 elections. But in 1994, there were also problems with corrupt Democratic members of Congress like Rep. Dan Rostenkowski (of Illinois), and that helped the Republicans to run unbelievably on clean government and reforming government.

I think "de-legitimized" is the incorrect term to use and would use "scorched Earth" politics instead. Fortunately, the public wised up a bit and Republican tactics backfired later on in the Clinton Administration. However, Gore and Kerry fell victim to unethical Republican attacks (although Gore did technically win through the popular vote and the Supreme Court conservatives stole the election for Bush by stopping the FL Supreme Court ordered recount).

I'm not too worried about Obama. He showed during the campaign that he can handle Republican attacks and make them seem desperate and petty. Bush's utter failure as a President helps to fuel the public distrust of the Republicans as well.

I love how Obama consistently elevates himself above Republican attacks, leaving them out in the cold.

sunny_thedreamer 12-12-2008 01:31 AM

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Personally i really don't care abt the scandal. what worries me most is republican wining the seat. Republican are like cockroach.

dado123 12-12-2008 02:17 AM

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Originally Posted by sunny_thedreamer (Post 114656)
Personally i really don't care abt the scandal. what worries me most is republican wining the seat. Republican are like cockroach.

The governor wants to still appoint a democrat to the vacant senate seat, will see how all of this plays out.


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