Fox News: Senate awaits ruling on Dem plan to pass immigration in reconciliation
 

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The Senate is waiting with baited breath as the Senate parliamentarian considers whether Democrats are allowed to include immigration reform in their $3.5 trillion reconciliation bill, a move that would allow Democrats to circumvent the filibuster and the opposing party on the decades-old issue.

Democrats made their case this week to Senate Parliamentarian Elizabeth MacDonough that their immigration proposal should survive the "Byrd Bath" – a process of weeding out non-budget related items from budget reconciliation bills named after the late Sen. Robert Byrd of West Virginia.

"Literally we are in the Byrd Bath," Sen. Dick Durbin, D-Ill., said Tuesday. "A presentation is being made on behalf of the provisions we authored for changing immigration in the United States. That matter is now being considered by the Senate parliamentarian… It is entirely in her hands at this point."

"We believe immigration is a critical element in reconciliation for three reasons," Durbin said, laying out Democrats' case for its inclusion in the bill. "First reason: How many years have we all complained that the immigration system in America is broken and needs to be fixed?"


As for the other reasons, Durbin argued that the bill will bring $10 back into the U.S. economy for every dollar spent on immigrants newly eligible for new federal programs, and that the economy needs more workers, so giving illegal aliens legal status "gives them a chance to be a functioning part of this economy."

The budget reconciliation process is unique in that it allows bills to pass through the Senate with only 50 votes, rather than 60, twice every two years. This enables the majority – currently Democrats – to pass bills related to spending and taxation on a party-line basis when they would normally have to secure votes from the other party.

But those bills go through a process called the "Byrd Bath" that ensures they are indeed related to taxing and spending. That's why Democrats cannot pass voting legislation via reconciliation, for example. Immigration, meanwhile, is more of a borderline issue.

If Democrats do manage to include immigration reform in the reconciliation bill, it would mark a major development in an issue Congress has tried but often failed to tackle for decades. Efforts under president after president, and in Congress after Congress, have floundered and failed to make major changes to the U.S. immigration system.

Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky. – whose party argued against including immigration reform in Democrats' behemoth spending bill – said he understands why they're trying to shoehorn it into the bill.

"The way the process works is, the majority which is trying to move a bill … tries to insert something that sounds questionable and there's basically an oral argument before the parliamentarian," McConnell said of the process Tuesday. "Can't blame the other side for trying to use reconciliation as expansively as they want to. That's always the temptation of the majority."

But McConnell warned that Democrats had better not try to disregard the parliamentarian's ruling.

"Abiding by the parliamentarian is essential to the function of the Senate," McConnell said.

But, minutes later, Schumer wouldn't commit to doing so. Asked whether he would consider removing the parliamentarian if Democrats get an adverse ruling on immigration reform, Schumer did not deny that he would.

The majority leader instead said he's had positive conversations with MacDonough and that he expects such conversations to continue.

Democrats are currently negotiating amongst themselves in an effort to come to an agreement that can pass the House and Senate with minimal defections – they can't lose any votes in the Senate and can only lose three votes in the House.

Progressives are adamant that $3.5 trillion is their floor for the bill's price tag. Moderates are arguing for a total of closer to $1.5 trillion. It's unclear how that gulf will be resolved, and work on the bill is likely to drag into October and potentially beyond.

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Bihh you want your job? you betta say yes!......jk, Democrats would never fire her, Manchin and Sinema would say the can't vote for the bill if they fire her because they like to follow the rules or some dumb excuse like that.

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Schumer needs to play hardball and remove her if necessary. The GOP never played by the rules and it’s time for the Democrats to do the same.

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Just say yes Liz

It is the right thing to do for all including your job

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I wonder what's the order of succession into the office here. Cause if push comes to shove I'd love to see Schumer fire a conga line until either one says yes or they literally run out of people.

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When will we hear about her decision? Any guess?

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Decisions like this are usually made on a Friday because people aren't paying attention to the news as much. So my guess is tommorow.

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NEGATIVE! Someone already confirmed this could take weeks.

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Given how the 15 dollar minimum wage decision was made within 72 hours i dont see why this would take "weeks".

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I read about it yesterday. Even Durbin confirmed this could take weeks. She has to analyze everything included on the bill, not just the legalization of 8 million people. At the end, we will most likely hear what will stay and what will go. My hope is that at least she minimizes this to just us dreamers.

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So she’s giving a decision on the whole thing instead of just making a decision on immigration?

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As much as we would like the bill to AT LEAST contain legalization for Dreamers, I can't see how "less" is better in this case. In budget reconciliation, providing legalization EN MASSE to millions would probably be more effective in convincing the parliamentarian that the immigration provision is added primarily to impact the economy and federal budget.

It seems to me that it's more about whether she would agree to both (1) legalizing the undocumented, and (2) greencard backlogs for the documented. I don't think there will be any further drilling down that these two options.

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Once this makes its rounds in the news and since title 42 was shut down today… doesn’t look like we will get the answer we want from the parliamentarian.

https://twitter.com/billfoxla/status...493378562?s=21

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Holy crap that a lot of ppl.

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Perfect time, give the GOP even more ammo to slam out cause.. Anytime time is a chance at legalization, this happens, and we get f-ed on fox and in the new media.

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I think you might have misunderstood me. I just wanted to know if she was just making a decision on immigration or if she was gonna make it on immigration or other things too like climate and other things.

The parliamentarian is apolitical. I doubt that this is gonna affect her decision.

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Didn't realize one of the Byrd rules was "must be politically convenient"

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If the Democrats and Republicans were negotiating a deal for an immigration reform, such an event would affect the whole negotiation process because there is no doubt the Republicans would say "Look at this crisis. We can't do this right now. Pause this now.", which is precisely what they did earlier this year. It's their typical thing to do.

But, this whole process does not involve any Republican. It will all come down to how open-minded the parliamentarian is and how she interprets the Byrd rules for the immigration provisions after the Democrats' argument for including them in reconciliation.

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Every provision in the Reconciliation bill must satisfy the Bryd Rule. So yes that includes other things than immigration. I don't know if she will announce it all at once - what passed the Byrd Rule or as she decides each section separately.

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Just to add, Byrd Rule is NOT self-enforcing. A senator has to raise a point of order before a provision can be considered for Byrd Rule.

Most likely, Republicans will raise a point of order for immigration and climate change.

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I didn't know that. Good to know.

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I will also add that if a section fails under the Byrd rule then it's basically crossed out and the rest of the bill can proceed. I mean hell imagine an entire bill thousand page bill getting tossed? Nobody could pass shit using that thing. I am also not sure if the contentions are raised in a group or one by one, but ultimately that doesn't matter, the decisions are on section by section basis.