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Democrats debate what’s next - The Hill

Immigration Reform - Yes? No? In the future? WHAT???
And why do I have a feeling that time will run out AFTER what they choose to debate next?

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Democrats are debating whether to spend political capital earned by passing healthcare reform or hoard it so it pays dividends in the midterm elections.

Liberals argue the new momentum offers a rare opportunity to pass top priorities, such as immigration reform and climate change legislation, and warn that the party is likely to see its large majorities in the Senate and House diminished next year.

They feel a new political wind at their backs after attending a boisterous signing ceremony for healthcare reform in the East Room of the White House.

“It shows us that when we put our mind to something and we tackle it, we can get it done,” said Sen. Barbara Boxer (D-Calif.), chairwoman of the Energy and Natural Resources Committee, which passed a climate change bill last year.

But conservative Democrats, many facing tough reelection fights, say the time has come to rein in the ambitious agenda and focus on creating jobs and spurring the economy.

Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) in December declared that she is in “campaign mode,” and many centrists interpret that as a call for the party to adopt a safer strategy in the aftermath of the long, hard-fought healthcare fight.

“I’d have to see what comes from the leadership on the floor, but I’m speaking with a very loud and clear voice that we need to do what we can to get this economy more robust,” said Sen. Kay Hagan, a Democrat from North Carolina, which President Barack Obama won narrowly in the 2008 election.

In the middle are those who say the best approach is for the party to catch its breath and take stock of the situation.

“I don’t know, a lot of it is going to depend on what the economy does this month and next month,” said Sen. Claire McCaskill (D-Mo.).

McCaskill said if the employment situation improves in March and the national economy creates new jobs over the next two months, “that gives us the political elbow room to work on really hard problems.”

Sen. Ben Nelson (D-Neb.) said he would prefer that Democrats pass an energy bill without controversial climate change provisions and leave immigration reform for the future.

Nelson said the healthcare bill “is not the beginning of running the table.”

He said Democratic enthusiasm has surged since passage of healthcare reform but that it’s now time “to temper that with a dose of reality.”

Sen. Olympia Snowe (Maine), one of the Democrats’ most likely Republican partners on any controversial legislation, urged Democrats on Tuesday to scale down their ambitions.

“On these other issues I think we’ve got to get modest and practical, and practicality is job creation and jumpstarting the economy,” said Snowe. “[If] you start to overlay massive initiatives that are going to require more transfer of wealth from the private sector to the government, that’s a problem in this economy.”

Snowe, the ranking Republican on the Small Business Committee, said Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) had promised to bring a small business bill to the Senate floor before the Easter recess. That package will now have to wait until lawmakers return to Washington in mid-April.

Hagan, who serves on the Small Business panel, endorsed Snowe’s view.

“I agree, I think jobs is the No. 1 priority and that’s what I’m focused on,” she said.

Some Democratic lawmakers and centrist Republicans such as Snowe say that it makes sense to pass financial regulatory reform through broad, comprehensive legislation because Wall Street excesses caused the financial crisis of 2008.

They are wary, however, of vigorous efforts by Sens. John Kerry (D-Mass.), Boxer and Charles Schumer (D-N.Y.) to advance energy and climate legislation and immigration reform.

Other lawmakers feel emboldened by historic passage of healthcare reform, an issue that has eluded policymakers for decades. Given the growing partisanship of Capitol Hill, they argue that big legislative wins can only be achieved with large majorities and time is running out.

Pelosi urged Obama to press ahead with comprehensive healthcare reform at a time when some Democrats wanted a downsized bill because he would soon have fewer Democratic allies in Congress.

“We’ll never have a better majority in your presidency in numbers than we’ve got right now,” Pelosi told the president, according to The New York Times.

Democrats who call for bold action on climate and immigration say the Congress can pass comprehensive reform bills this year with bipartisan support. They note that Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) has teamed up with Kerry and Schumer on both issues.

Sen. Ron Wyden (D-Ore.), who is pushing a broad tax reform plan with Sen. Judd Gregg (R-N.H.), said ambitious legislation can pass if it is framed as bipartisan jobs initiatives.

http://thehill.com/homenews/house/88...ate-whats-next

Re: Democrats debate what’s next - The Hill

And just like that - we have our answer.

Financial Overhaul Is Next Priority of Democrats
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/25/bu...5regulate.html

Re: Democrats debate what’s next - The Hill

I'm not feeling all this negativity. First, it's not gonna happen over night.. lets get that through everyones thick head. : ) Second, Obama said it his one of his top priorities. Ok, so what more do you people want? These sorts of things take time! We should all be thankful they are even considering legalizing us as part of CIR. So sit back and relax yourselves people. Well don't relax yourselves completely.. Do go out there and let your voices be heard.. But don't go demanding change... things WILL change.. just be patient. Thank you very much. Have a nice day.

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Originally Posted by hef107 (Post 153944)

I'm not feeling all this negativity. First, it's not gonna happen over night.. lets get that through everyones thick head. : )

I don't see it as negativity, I see it as news. We're interested in what they're going to work on next. BUT, I will say that we already knew immigration ain't going to be touched until the very end of this year or until early next year. It's been said, implied and predicted by many Senators and Representatives. So no surprise really. And honestly, I'm glad. I don't think for one second that any immigration bill would do good while the Republicans are claiming to give zero support for the next Democratic overhaul; especially since we NEED bipartisanship for any immigration bill we put out there.

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Seriously, what the fuck are you saying? I'm sorry but the crap you just posted boils my blood.

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Originally Posted by hef107 (Post 153944)

I'm not feeling all this negativity. First, it's not gonna happen over night.. lets get that through everyones thick head. : )

You're telling us that we have thick heads? Speak for yourself.

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Originally Posted by hef107 (Post 153944)

Second, Obama said it his one of his top priorities. Ok, so what more do you people want? These sorts of things take time!

Not all of us have time to spare. Some private universities have time limits on degrees and need this act to pass. You're right; it won't happen overnight. That doesn't mean it should take so long to the point where it looks like they're toying with us. Do you practically eat all the political facade that the media and politicians send towards your way? It definitely sounds like you do.

Aside from that, saying "tomorrow, tomorrow" isn't the way to go. Everyday people grow older and we have shit we want to do with our lives. Finishing undergraduate school and then finishing medical school will take an assload of time and I'm not going to wait another year lounging because I can't afford school anymore for them to sway our hearts with words once again. Perhaps you were the type of student who just procrastinated all day, but some of us have agendas to fulfill. What exactly is it that you do anyways? I know damn well that what I plan to do requires me to demand this shit to pass.

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Originally Posted by hef107 (Post 153944)

We should all be thankful they are even considering legalizing us as part of CIR. So sit back and relax yourselves people. Well don't relax yourselves completely.. Do go out there and let your voices be heard.. But don't go demanding change... things WILL change.. just be patient.

OK, so you're also the type of person who's satisfied with anything. You're telling me we should be thankful that they at least include amnesty as a part of this CIR?

In relation to your statement, do you believe that our condition is fine because there are 3rd world countries with worser conditions? Quite frankly that kind of mentality is fucking pathetic. Every human being deserves basic rights and practically the right to function in society is a basic human right. What makes one member of this species more privileged than another that only they can function in society? However, according to you we should be begging these people for this right. Sorry but fuck you.

I demand something so basic to a human beings' function in society to be granted.

I will not be complacent to the point where I'm satisfied with simply being a political pawn for these politicians.

I will not degrade myself to the level of a lapdog by comparing myself to those with worser conditions simply to give myself hope and self-comfort.

Lastly, I will not be glad simply because they are considering us in the CIR.

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Originally Posted by hef107 (Post 153944)

Thank you very much. Have a nice day.

Finally, no. I will not have a fucking good day. You ruined it kid. Go get some damn backbone and some valueable convictions. Fight and fight for your damn rights instead of simply being happy about something so minor and far from the real deal; I can safely tell you that none of the political bullshit politicians say are close to the nice package that we deserve at our doorsteps.

Sorry for all the cursing, but this kind of apathetic bullshit calls for some internet tough bitch attitude. Thank you.

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Edit: Feel free to delete this post. I'm pissed, and it's probably inappropriate for little children.

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“We’ll never have a better majority in your presidency in numbers than we’ve got right now,” Pelosi told the president, according to The New York Times.

Exactly, so leave immigration to what f***ing future?? The one in which the Senate has a Republican majority? Then why the hell should we pay attention to the theatre from Gutierrez and the "March for America" organizers and on and on it goes as the purpose is to get legislation soon? Gutierrez, Reid, Schumer and others all said for months that if legislation doesn't get voted by April, then no one knows when it may happen. The only people who think waiting is ok in this forum and who enjoy the highs and lows of being taken for a ride continously are obviously ones who aren't responsible for themselves, someone else is providing a roof over their head and food on the table, don't work and aren't worried about getting jobs right now - even though most everyone here IS an adult over age 18.

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Originally Posted by withchemicals (Post 153959)

Seriously, what the fuck are you saying? I'm sorry but the crap you just posted boils my blood.

You're telling us that we have thick heads? Speak for yourself.

Not all of us have time to spare. Some private universities have time limits on degrees and need this act to pass. You're right; it won't happen overnight. That doesn't mean it should take so long to the point where it looks like they're toying with us. Do you practically eat all the political facade that the media and politicians send towards your way? It definitely sounds like you do.

Aside from that, saying "tomorrow, tomorrow" isn't the way to go. Everyday people grow older and we have shit we want to do with our lives. Finishing undergraduate school and then finishing medical school will take an assload of time and I'm not going to wait another year lounging because I can't afford school anymore for them to sway our hearts with words once again. Perhaps you were the type of student who just procrastinated all day, but some of us have agendas to fulfill. What exactly is it that you do anyways? I know damn well that what I plan to do requires me to demand this shit to pass.

OK, so you're also the type of person who's satisfied with anything. You're telling me we should be thankful that they at least include amnesty as a part of this CIR?

In relation to your statement, do you believe that our condition is fine because there are 3rd world countries with worser conditions? Quite frankly that kind of mentality is fucking pathetic. Every human being deserves basic rights and practically the right to function in society is a basic human right. What makes one member of this species more privileged than another that only they can function in society? However, according to you we should be begging these people for this right. Sorry but fuck you.

I demand something so basic to a human beings' function in society to be granted.

I will not be complacent to the point where I'm satisfied with simply being a political pawn for these politicians.

I will not degrade myself to the level of a lapdog by comparing myself to those with worser conditions simply to give myself hope and self-comfort.

Lastly, I will not be glad simply because they are considering us in the CIR.

Finally, no. I will not have a fucking good day. You ruined it kid. Go get some damn backbone and some valueable convictions. Fight and fight for your damn rights instead of simply being happy about something so minor and far from the real deal; I can safely tell you that none of the political bullshit politicians say are close to the nice package that we deserve at our doorsteps.

Sorry for all the cursing, but this kind of apathetic bullshit calls for some internet tough bitch attitude. Thank you.

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Edit: Feel free to delete this post. I'm pissed, and it's probably inappropriate for little children.

Really? You took the time to analyze every sentence of her comment. :?

I believe what she meant was that the people that thought that with the HCR bill from the House being signed yesterday, we can't expect that CIR should have been introduced today. Obama still has a fight on his hands with HCR in the Senate and states have filed lawsuits questioning the constitutionality of the law based on states' rights mumbo jumbo.

HCR was and is Obama's baby. He's still got to convince 50% of the country that HCR was a necessary thing and is good law. With one major hurdle jumped, the American people are expecting him to focus on getting the economy back on track and creating more jobs because no matter what he's done so far, the unemployment rate is still astronomical.

So, she's right about what she said. This isn't going to happen overnight. And we've got to keep the pressure on Congress that CIR/DA is an issue that is necessary for this country now...not five years from now, but now.

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withchemicals, it's obvious you had a bad day, no need to take it out on a fellow dreamer

go be pissed somewhere else

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Originally Posted by freshh. (Post 153966)

Yes, I know the current position of Obama in the White House. Aside from that delay, I don't like the talk from anyone who wishes us to be complacent with simply "being considered". There's political realism to take into account, but what I hate above all is someone telling another to be happy with what he or she has. Of course it's not going to happen overnight. I'm not an idiot.

As you said, we have to keep this pressure up, and the mentality such as the one that outraged me won't pressure anyone. If we're going to start preaching complacency, we might as well start preaching inactivity. To be honest, sometimes I feel that this movement is lacking a charismatic leader from the bottom who can spearhead the movement into true, righteous action (as opposed to the Civil Rights movement decades ago).

All in all, my discontent with the hef107's post isn't channeled towards the Obama administration but more towards some Dreamers who sometimes don't seem to care (keyword: seem). Of course, this is totally an unfair judgement, and I have zero credibility; however, I know someone personally in a similar situation and he's content with working at a video rental store for the rest of his life. What the hell!

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Originally Posted by Please Don't Panic (Post 153967)

withchemicals, it's obvious you had a bad day, no need to take it out on a fellow dreamer

go be pissed somewhere else

Thanks for caring about me. I am a bit angry today but I don't know why. I stayed home all day reviewing previous material because I cannot afford any new textbooks. Nonetheless, it's been quite a productive day.

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I think chemicals is just having a bad day. And hey, if hef107 can vent her opinion about us "being glad for what we have", (which I honestly don't even get how someone could say that, because really wtf do we have? other than the constant fear of getting deported?) then I think withchemicals should be able to post his thoughts equally. Granted that he obviously did blow up there lol I still think that it's just an opposing opinion imo.

I think we should restrain ourselves from going bananas though... Most of us are already at the tip of sanity, we can't let the pressure break us this late in the game. Because if we do, we'll just end up doing stupid shit out there that ain't going to help any of us (i.e. riots, crimes, etc.). So just try to relax and be constructive in these forums out here, not just this one, all of them; because we're not the only ones who read these comments. There's a lot of alipac and antis looking for quotes from us to feed the flame of hatred. We have to show them we're better than them. At the very least, we have to shift that flame we have inside, towards advocating and speaking with our friends about the issue with the same passion we use to speak within these forums.

I'm no exemplary when it comes to advocacy but I've spoken to every friend I have about the DREAM Act and I managed to bring 3 USC with me to the march. We got to spread the word to Americans that will back us up on the issue. That's the only way we'll ever win this.