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Ianus 08-03-2014 12:04 PM
WH: Obama undecided on immigration steps
 
http://www.usatoday.com/story/theova...week/13539521/
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White House officials are downplaying stories that President Obama is prepared to take executive action on immigration that would allow millions of undocumented people to stay in the United States.

"The reports you're seeing are uninformed speculation," White House senior adviser Dan Pfeiffer said on ABC's This Week with George Stephanopoulos.

Pfeiffer said Obama asked the Department of Justice and Department of Homeland Security to "present him with recommendations by the end of the summer." Those agencies have not yet reported back.

"So let's wait and see what those are before we make judgments about them," Pfeiffer said.

Now that Congress is on August recess without any action on immigration, many people are speculating on what Obama might do -- or try do -- on the politically charged issue.

There will likely be two sets of major Obama announcements in the coming weeks or months: One addressing the recent influx of migrants from Central America, the other on the immigration system overall.

The president is likely to act sooner on the Central American migrants, many of whom are children. In his news conference on Friday, Obama talked about re-allocating resources to move more agents, detention centers, and immigration judges to the border as soon as possible.

Obama is also looking at executive actions on the overall immigration system, given the fact that Congress cannot agree on a "comprehensive" immigration bill.

That assessment is inspiring stories that Obama may consider some of kind of deportation suspension for people who are already in the country illegally.

Such a decision would inspire intense criticism from congressional Republicans, perhaps revving up impeachment talk.

On Fox News Sunday, Rep. Steve King, R-Iowa, said: "If the president has decided he's simply not going to enforce any immigration law ... (then) I think Congress has to sit down and have a serious look at the rest of this Constitution. And that includes that 'i' word that we don't want to say."
This would make sense, I think the administration will try to stem any flow first, while seeing what to do after I think announcing such actions NOW might cause adults to try and enter as well. It's all up to AG Holder and Secretary Johnson at this point!

Sorrybrah 08-03-2014 12:11 PM
Re: WH: Obama undecided on immigration steps
 
Oh Barrack Obama you never fail to impress.

swordfish 08-03-2014 12:58 PM
Re: WH: Obama undecided on immigration steps
 
Nop, I'm not surprised playing with people hopes is what politicians do best.

dtrt09 08-03-2014 03:29 PM
Re: WH: Obama undecided on immigration steps
 
Ppl should watch Cecilia Munoz on "Al Punto" today...politics at its best. She was asked why "if CIR it's clearly not going anywhere, why is the President delaying doing anything about it?" She answered that it is to give Congress time to pass "permanent" solutions. Waffle. She was then asked how will the White House own responsibility for failure to achieve CIR.

She then went on and on and on about 218 votes in the House....the Republicans....blah, blah, blah, "this is why the President said he is going to do....fill-in-the-blank....blah, blah, blah. The Republicans...mumble...mumble...but "we don't have a date".

There are only four months left in the year. The White House has effectively bought itself one more year of doing nothing for the immigrant community.

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Pfeiffer said Obama asked the Department of Justice and Department of Homeland Security to "present him with recommendations by the end of the summer." Those agencies have not yet reported back.
Really?

So, what exactly were they doing between March and June when the president said he had ordered them to review and draft a plan to provide relief? The President came out and said he told Johnson to hold off releasing recommendations; so does the White House know them and didn't like them or did they not do it at all?

MIdreamer 08-03-2014 04:39 PM
Re: WH: Obama undecided on immigration steps
 
Not surprising at all, Obama has to backpedal with all the recent influx of migrants. Can you imagine how GOP will take advantage of this issue. They can blame all the problem with recent influx of migrants on Obama, saying that the reason people keep coming is because of Obama's EO which attract people to come. It will make democrat vulnerable in the up coming election.

I understand that people want some kind of EO for their family, but let's look at the big picture here. Do you want GOP to win the up coming election? Democrats are already in a bad position; Republicans really have a chance to take back the Senate. I think the best strategic move right now is not to extend DACA to other undocumented migrants. Let's wait until after the election and see how things are going.

dtrt09 08-03-2014 04:49 PM
Re: WH: Obama undecided on immigration steps
 
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Originally Posted by MIdreamer (Post 536674)
Not surprising at all, Obama has to backpedal with all the recent influx of migrants. Can you imagine how GOP will take advantage of this issue. They can blame all the problem with recent influx of migrants on Obama, saying that the reason people keep coming is because of Obama's EO which attract people to come. It will make democrat vulnerable in the up coming election.

I understand that people want some kind of EO for their family, but let's look at the big picture here. Do you want GOP to win the up coming election? Democrats are already in a bad position; Republicans really have a chance to take back the Senate. I think the best strategic move right now is not to extend DACA to other undocumented migrants. Let's wait until after the election and see how things are going.
Bullshit. Not to you, but to the White House's reasons. Last year, exactly at the same time, it was the "crisis" in Syria. Nothing else needs to have perfect conditions for the White House to act; only immigration. Waiting for what?

To cover themselves of the mess that the administration has itself created?

"Oh, we're sorry, we've waited and now that we've waited, well, the future is here and now is 2014 and we have all these other things that need to be done, and we procrastinated and played with your life and your families and we don't know how to get out of this. We have no plan".

I'm sure this forum is trolled by WhiteHouse apologists, 'advocates' (someone we've never met who sits at the White House and argues for "us"; hahahaha) and so-called writers like the one that kept plugging her articles here a while back, for ideas and so forth. At times, when I check twitter timelines is as if they hack their "thoughts" and "ideas" from the posts here.

MIdreamer 08-03-2014 04:56 PM
Re: WH: Obama undecided on immigration steps
 
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Originally Posted by dtrt09 (Post 536675)
Bullshit. Not to you, but to the White House's reasons. Last year, exactly at the same time, it was the "crisis" in Syria. Nothing else needs to have perfect conditions for the White House to act; only immigration. Waiting for what?

To cover themselves of the mess that the administration has itself created?

"Oh, we're sorry, we've waited and now that we've waited, well, the future is here and now is 2014 and we have all these other things that need to be done, and we procrastinated and played with your life and your families and we don't know how to get out of this. We have no plan".
So do you suggest extending DACA to majority of migrants already here right now? This is almost a perfect attack point for GOP. Syrian weren't exactly crossing the border by the thousands every week and White House never intended to extend DACA last year. We are all expecting him to do it this year (election year) to gain Hispanic votes. The influx of immigrants came in between and it really isn't a good time to extend DACA. White House has to adjust. I can't imagine a GOP controlled House and Senate, White House would be the last defense for DACA if that happen this November. At that point, we won't be talking about extending DACA, we will be fighting to maintain DACA as it is.

dtrt09 08-03-2014 05:07 PM
Re: WH: Obama undecided on immigration steps
 
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White House never intended to extend DACA last year. We are all expecting him to do it this year (election year) to gain Hispanic votes.


I don't know which community you live in, but the "Hispanic" community is more than disenchanted with this president, and no, from what I know, see, hear, in my family and around other non-Hispanic "communities", if he's doing it for votes, the votes ain't coming. Lots of mixed-status families have permanent resident who simply WILL NOT file for naturalization until their family members are safe here. Sorry. And doing "something" late might, *might* motivate half to naturalize by the 2016 election, but it is not helping on this one.

Do it because it's the right thing to do; if you talk about it in moral terms, this is it. If you only talk about how much more $$ immigrant labor will bring, well, then...I guess we're screwed. He could remove that age-cap on DACA. Excluding older dreamers has not done anyone any favors.

MIdreamer 08-03-2014 05:22 PM
Re: WH: Obama undecided on immigration steps
 
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Originally Posted by dtrt09 (Post 536678)

I don't know which community you live in, but the "Hispanic" community is more than disenchanted with this president, and no, from what I know, see, hear, in my family and around other non-Hispanic "communities", if he's doing it for votes, the votes ain't coming. Lots of mixed-status families have permanent resident who simply WILL NOT file for naturalization until their family members are safe here. Sorry. And doing "something" late might, *might* motivate half to naturalize by the 2016 election, but it is not helping on this one.

Do it because it's the right thing to do; if you talk about it in moral terms, this is it. If you only talk about how much more $$ immigrant labor will bring, well, then...I guess we're screwed. He could remove that age-cap on DACA. Excluding older dreamers has not done anyone any favors.
Considering how he got more than 70% of the Hispanic votes last election, it is safe to say that the vote did came for him. We are talking about politics and politician. You can get all emotional and talk about moral, but sadly, this isn't how politics works in this country. I want Obama to extend DACA as much as you do, but we have to be smart about it. politics isn't about what's the right thing to do, it is about money and getting re-elected. It is not what they should do for the people, it is about what they will get in return. If we don't have anything to offer, they aren't going to do the right thing out of goodness of their heart. Politics is like a game, in my opinion, it is too risky to extend DACA at this point.

dtrt09 08-03-2014 05:27 PM
Re: WH: Obama undecided on immigration steps
 
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Originally Posted by MIdreamer (Post 536681)
Considering how he got more than 70% of the Hispanic votes last election, it is safe to say that the vote did came for him. We are talking about politics and politician. You can get all emotional and talk about moral, but sadly, this isn't how politics works in this country. I want Obama to extend DACA as much as you do, but we have to be smart about it. politics isn't about what's the right thing to do, it is about money and getting re-elected. It is not what they should do for the people, it is about what they will get in return. If we don't have anything to offer, they aren't going to do the right thing out of goodness of their heart. Politics is like a game, in my opinion, it is too risky to extend DACA at this point.
Which PAC, "nonprofit" or Democratic campaign(s) do you volunteer or work for?


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