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IamAman 02-05-2015 01:27 PM
Republican floats compromise on immigration
 
http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/2...ion-compromise

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Sen. Susan Collins has proposed compromise legislation she hopes could serve as the basis for a deal between congressional Republicans and the White House on President Obama’s executive actions on immigration.

The Maine centrist Republican filed an amendment Wednesday that would allow Obama’s 2012 executive action to stand.

That executive action set up the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) program, which offers safe harbor to hundreds of thousands of illegal immigrants who came to the country as children and have maintained a clean record.
The Collins proposal would repeal Obama’s executive action from November that would grant de facto legal status to the immediate family of U.S. citizens and permanent residents, which would affect up to 5 million immigrants.

The White House has drawn a red line on both executive actions, warning that Obama will veto any legislation sent to his desk that seeks to overturn them.

But there is certainly more support in Congress for overturning the 2014 executive actions than the 2012 actions. Twenty-six House Republicans voted against an amendment attacking the 2012 executive action on DACA.

“I just think it’s not right to send them back to their home countries when many of them haven’t known [any] other home than America and they didn’t make the decision to come here,” Collins said in explaining why she would support keeping that executive action in place. “Their parents brought them here. To me that is the sweet spot to getting this bill passed.”

The fight over the executive actions is taking place on legislation to fund the Department of Homeland Security. Funding is set to lapse on Feb. 27.

“I’m looking for a compromise that can bring an end to this impasse,” Collins told reporters in the Capitol.

On Tuesday, Senate Democrats blocked a House-passed appropriations measure funding the agency and reversing Obama’s executive orders.

She said the goal is to “send a strong response to the president to counter his gross overreach of his executive authority through his issuance of the Nov. 2014 executive order.”

Collins and Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas) argued at the Senate Republican lunch Tuesday that Republicans should focus only on repealing the 2014 executive order and let the 2012 DACA program stand, The National Review reported.

Cruz, however, has not signed on to Collins’s amendment yet.

She said she hoped to find Democratic co-sponsors but has yet to speak to any potential supporters across the aisle.

“I filed my amendment to show that I’m committed to bringing up an alternative to the bill. My hope is that the Democrats will look at that and perhaps some of them, a few of them, will reach a different conclusion,” she said of the Democratic filibuster blocking debate.

Demise 02-05-2015 02:31 PM
Re: Republican floats compromise on immigration
 
Pushing back a little less like that without giving anything back isn't "compromise", it's being less of an asshole.

A compromise for example would be undoing DAPA, but they'd give us the Dream Act.

IamAman 02-05-2015 02:43 PM
Re: Republican floats compromise on immigration
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Demise (Post 552138)
Pushing back a little less like that without giving anything back isn't "compromise", it's being less of an asshole.

A compromise for example would be undoing DAPA, but they'd give us the Dream Act.
Agreed.

Träumer 02-05-2015 03:10 PM
Re: Republican floats compromise on immigration
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Demise (Post 552138)
Pushing back a little less like that without giving anything back isn't "compromise", it's being less of an asshole.

A compromise for example would be undoing DAPA, but they'd give us the Dream Act.
Hahaha, word.

swordfish 02-05-2015 03:25 PM
Re: Republican floats compromise on immigration
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Demise (Post 552138)
Pushing back a little less like that without giving anything back isn't "compromise", it's being less of an asshole.

A compromise for example would be undoing DAPA, but they'd give us the Dream Act.
Nahh
A compromise would be what Obama said. I you don't like EO pass CIR.
Some of you dreamers just think about yourselves.

Demise 02-06-2015 06:42 AM
Re: Republican floats compromise on immigration
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by swordfish (Post 552144)
Nahh
A compromise would be what Obama said. I you don't like EO pass CIR.
Some of you dreamers just think about yourselves.
My family definitely didn't think about me during the past 10 years they spent twiddling their thumbs. After my asshole of a stepfather couldn't renew his license that's when he finally decided to see a lawyer and surprise surprise, some digging later he had 245(i) coverage all these years. So please, allow me to not think about them.

I aged out over a year ago while the labor certification was (and still is) pending. Would've came a year or two earlier and I might've been a permanent resident now.
Moreover I know that I'll get no help from them later. When it comes to my deportation order, I'm on my fucking own. I wonder if I can sue them since they're the ones that royally fucked up.

On larger scale, I am tired of this all or nothing approach because it gets us nothing. We have been victims of circumstance, they were not. We are young, we have futures waiting to happen. They on the other hand will likely continue the same lives of mediocrity with documents or not (I know my family will). We might've gotten Dream Act done with some border security shit and maybe a few other minor reforms (ex. AgJobs and work visa reforms). Nope, let's try to include nearly everyone.

swordfish 02-06-2015 12:00 PM
Re: Republican floats compromise on immigration
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Demise (Post 552210)
My family definitely didn't think about me during the past 10 years they spent twiddling their thumbs. After my asshole of a stepfather couldn't renew his license that's when he finally decided to see a lawyer and surprise surprise, some digging later he had 245(i) coverage all these years. So please, allow me to not think about them.

I aged out over a year ago while the labor certification was (and still is) pending. Would've came a year or two earlier and I might've been a permanent resident now.
Moreover I know that I'll get no help from them later. When it comes to my deportation order, I'm on my fucking own. I wonder if I can sue them since they're the ones that royally fucked up.

On larger scale, I am tired of this all or nothing approach because it gets us nothing. We have been victims of circumstance, they were not. We are young, we have futures waiting to happen. They on the other hand will likely continue the same lives of mediocrity with documents or not (I know my family will). We might've gotten Dream Act done with some border security shit and maybe a few other minor reforms (ex. AgJobs and work visa reforms). Nope, let's try to include nearly everyone.
You are tired of the all or nothing approach but thats what you are asking for. All for you with the Dream Act and nothing for the parents who have been waiting here for an opportunity most of them paying taxes for a long time.
May be your family doesn't diserve an opportunity for the way you talk about them, but there is a lot good people out there waiting for an opportunity.

If we still don't have Dream Ac or other reforms passed is not for what we ask for, is because we have a well organized anti-immigrant movement in congress and whatever you try to pass in regards of immigration is going to be stop as long as they have the power to do it.

OptimistinDenial 02-06-2015 12:39 PM
Re: Republican floats compromise on immigration
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Demise (Post 552210)
My family definitely didn't think about me during the past 10 years they spent twiddling their thumbs. After my asshole of a stepfather couldn't renew his license that's when he finally decided to see a lawyer and surprise surprise, some digging later he had 245(i) coverage all these years. So please, allow me to not think about them.

I aged out over a year ago while the labor certification was (and still is) pending. Would've came a year or two earlier and I might've been a permanent resident now.
Moreover I know that I'll get no help from them later. When it comes to my deportation order, I'm on my fucking own. I wonder if I can sue them since they're the ones that royally fucked up.

On larger scale, I am tired of this all or nothing approach because it gets us nothing. We have been victims of circumstance, they were not. We are young, we have futures waiting to happen. They on the other hand will likely continue the same lives of mediocrity with documents or not (I know my family will). We might've gotten Dream Act done with some border security shit and maybe a few other minor reforms (ex. AgJobs and work visa reforms). Nope, let's try to include nearly everyone.
I can see your point. Still, to pin your family's flaws into a population of more than five millions is prejudice. I am sorry if it sounds mean. Mediocrity is not an attribute that only exists within the undocumented population. It is an attribute of humanity.

I have met many dreamers who scrambled to get their GEDs and now are using their papers to work in fast food restaurants and cash the welfare checks they receive from their children. Meanwhile, many aged out dreamers and other undocumented immigrants see their degrees rot away.

It seems many dreamers believe that if other sub-groups of undocumented immigrants weren't here, they would be accepted by the law, the government and society. While it is true that many citizens are concerned with the rule of law and national security, let us realized that some are just racists and xenophobic and will hate your butt no matter what.

It was more obvious during the Bush administration, when Republicans convinced the country that everyone was okay but undocumented Mexican men. That was the basis to create really rash laws even for permanent legal residents. And everyone was cool with my dad being harassed until the police started to harass everyone Mexican or not.

More important than me being illegal is the fact that I am a taxpayer and the government took 15% of my hard earned money to waste time. Obama is going to vetoed anything that is less than what he already has. We have old ass bridges, brittle roads, a fragile recovering economy, education reform, climate change, finance reform, everything needs fixing. Many of you are so young but I'm old and survived the Bush administration with the needless wars and pointless tax breaks. They are extremist in their point of view and somewhat that became the norm. Not to say that some dems are not extremist but we should at least be in the middle. Back in the way, we called them crazies and move on to get shit done. Nowadays, they are stopping the growth of our nation and as long as we have our apps running fine, we don't care. And I'm gonna stop now because a)I'm rambling and b) I'm ranting.

freshh. 02-06-2015 02:33 PM
Re: Republican floats compromise on immigration
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by swordfish (Post 552144)
Nahh
A compromise would be what Obama said. I you don't like EO pass CIR.
Some of you dreamers just think about yourselves.
^This.

I refuse to worry about this because either way the President has said that he will not sign anything that undermines his 2014 EO. Republicans are posturing/jockeying for position in the 2016 election.

They don't like DACA or DAPA then they should pass CIR.

pink 02-06-2015 03:12 PM
Re: Republican floats compromise on immigration
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by OptimistinDenial (Post 552223)
I can see your point. Still, to pin your family's flaws into a population of more than five millions is prejudice. I am sorry if it sounds mean. Mediocrity is not an attribute that only exists within the undocumented population. It is an attribute of humanity.

I have met many dreamers who scrambled to get their GEDs and now are using their papers to work in fast food restaurants and cash the welfare checks they receive from their children. Meanwhile, many aged out dreamers and other undocumented immigrants see their degrees rot away.

It seems many dreamers believe that if other sub-groups of undocumented immigrants weren't here, they would be accepted by the law, the government and society. While it is true that many citizens are concerned with the rule of law and national security, let us realized that some are just racists and xenophobic and will hate your butt no matter what.

It was more obvious during the Bush administration, when Republicans convinced the country that everyone was okay but undocumented Mexican men. That was the basis to create really rash laws even for permanent legal residents. And everyone was cool with my dad being harassed until the police started to harass everyone Mexican or not.

More important than me being illegal is the fact that I am a taxpayer and the government took 15% of my hard earned money to waste time. Obama is going to vetoed anything that is less than what he already has. We have old ass bridges, brittle roads, a fragile recovering economy, education reform, climate change, finance reform, everything needs fixing. Many of you are so young but I'm old and survived the Bush administration with the needless wars and pointless tax breaks. They are extremist in their point of view and somewhat that became the norm. Not to say that some dems are not extremist but we should at least be in the middle. Back in the way, we called them crazies and move on to get shit done. Nowadays, they are stopping the growth of our nation and as long as we have our apps running fine, we don't care. And I'm gonna stop now because a)I'm rambling and b) I'm ranting.

Preach!


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