SCOTUS: Same-Sex marriage is a right
 

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/27/us...T.nav=top-news

This may seem out of place on a Dream Act/immigration news site but it's not. If you recall, 2 years ago or so when they were working on the immigration reform bill, one of the arguments against it was that some people, including those on here wanted to attach gay marriage rights to it. This potentially turned people who were for immigration reform but against gay marriage against the immigration bill.

I argued that the two issues were separate and gay marriage had a far bigger chance of being approved before immigration would and so it shouldn't have been included in the immigration bill since once passed, it would automatically apply to immigration as well.

And it has, so "I told you so!". The good news is of course now if same sex couples get married and one is a citizen, their partner can apply for them. It was kind of like this already in some states but now there is no question. It also means, the issue is removed from future immigration bills.

The LGBT community won their war against conservatives and now it's our turn. Immigration is now the single biggest social issue.

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Sad thing is the LGBT community will completely forget how they leached on to immigration reform protests and won't be supporting our cause because they got theirs

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Yep. I remember us arguing against one of them back when the bill was in committee. You couldn't explain it that if the bill passes he'll be able to legalize the same as everyone else. Worst case scenario he'd need to wait a few more years or wait for the decision in United States v. Windstor. No, put the amendment in and kill the bill because Mr. Special Snowflake wants a CR6 on his green card.

I honestly have no idea how to feel about this decision. I have nothing riding on it so on the bright side it pissed the conservatives so hard we'll see a few go super saiyan, on the other hand LGBT community was a bunch of parasites back when the bill was before the senate. It's like watching two people you dislike getting into a fight.

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I'll agree with half of that - that they probably won't be supporting us. Their cause however has been at least 30 years in the making so they really didn't need us. Ours was more of a "don't fuck this up for us by adding your agenda to ours". A lot of people on here even were completely naive thinking everybody and everything should be attached to immigration reform because we're all deserving blahblah but that's not how things work.

The good thing is, I doubt they'll support Republicans any time soon so even if they don't support us directly, at least they'll vote our way. Not all because I have met at least one lesbian who is a diehard republican. Well, not lesbian, more bi...weirdest person. cute, but weird. I met her at the gay pride parade for god's sake and she's a Republican.

My favorite part of this is Greg Abbott is in the spotlight in Texas for refusing to give up. The rest of the country are starting to see how big of a crackpot this guy is.

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That's probably the biggest thing for us. The other social issue I can think of with national importance would probably be legalization of weed, but surely, legalization of immigrants can come next? :???:

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Well I mean we're the #1 target of the right wingers now. They can't pick on the blacks anymore. Women stand up for themselves. Gays handled their business. The immigrant population and their families are the only ones who just take it without fighting back politically.

We have to follow the same formula. If you notice, just 10 years ago, many states outright banned gay marriage. Just 5 years ago, it wasn't looking too good for them. All it takes is to hit critical mass. We have not done that yet.
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That's kind of the irony in our case. Fighting back politically can mean outing potentially vulnerable family members. At least when you fight for gay rights, you're still protected by law.

Definitely agree with reaching critical mass though. It's only a matter of time.

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Yeah of course, we have that extra burden. We do have power in a few ways:

1. Those with DACA are free to participate in politics - helping pro immigration candidates.
2. We can all push our citizen friends and family to vote Democrat (sorry, the choice right now is Democrat or Hate-mongering Republican)
3. Doing what Univision did and stand up for ourselves and vote with our wallets.

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Thank you... thank you for reminding me that I will always feel like a 3rd or 4th class citizen... As an immigrant now with DACA, and as a member of the GAY community, it's always ironic to hear people say things about one group or the other. I know of gay people who do not support immigrant rights, and I know if immigrants who do not support gay rights, and those of use stuck in the middle of both communities end up fighting these cultural "wars" on multiple fronts.

No the gay community who supports the rights of others will not abandoned any movement they believe should be fought for. People like me and some of my friends make certain to remind each and every member of both communities that equal rights means everyone, not just the ones won for one group. There are members of the LGBT community who have come out, who have also revealed they are undocumented. Trans activist who look forward to immigration reform to help member of their community who are abused by immigration officials and "macho" immigrant men who rape and brutilize them because they are put in the same detention center as them...

No, not everyone in the gay community will fight as hard for immigrant rights, but the majority, who have friends who are immigrants who know personally the struggles still faced by those oppressed, WE will continue to fight, to march, to call on representatives to make the change.

I'm sorry for the lengthy response, but reading some of your posts here, makes me realize I will always be a partial outsider because I am not just an immigrant, but a gay man as well...

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I don't know how you got that out of the responses but hey, it's your right to feel like a 2nd or 3rd class person. It certainly is not because of anybody here. I'm just pointing out certain realities-namely that the gay community is kind of obsessed with their own cause and don't necessarily care about our cause. I was at the gay pride parade in our town tonight and not one person there was from an immigration group. They had every possible gay group there too from churches to businesses.

Since you're part of both communities, maybe you can tell them about us. There is nothing we can do for them really at this point since they won their war - although I'm sure they have a few small battles here or there coming up.