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U.S. Officials: Putin Personally Involved in U.S. Election Hack

It looks like USA is much more confident Putin was behind how Hillary's crooked information was released to affect the election.

It is interesting how the media calls this Election hack when it doesn't have anything to do with altering of the physical voting machines or votes but rather how Putin influenced on the voter outcome.

Also it is interesting how the video released of Trump grabbing a women's part is not considered a controversy because it influences votes against him but Putin helping to timely release the emails from Hillary is considered a rigged election.

All these politics are affecting our chances of ever getting Dream Act or some kind of CIR to pass.

Opinions?

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U.S. intelligence officials now believe with "a high level of confidence" that Russian President Vladimir Putin became personally involved in the covert Russian campaign to interfere in the U.S. presidential election, senior U.S. intelligence officials told NBC News.

Two senior officials with direct access to the information say new intelligence shows that Putin personally directed how hacked material from Democrats was leaked and otherwise used. The intelligence came from diplomatic sources and spies working for U.S. allies, the officials said.

Putin's objectives were multifaceted, a high-level intelligence source told NBC News. What began as a "vendetta" against Hillary Clinton morphed into an effort to show corruption in American politics and to "split off key American allies by creating the image that [other countries] couldn't depend on the U.S. to be a credible global leader anymore," the official said.

Ultimately, the CIA has assessed, the Russian government wanted to elect Donald Trump. The FBI and other agencies don't fully endorse that view, but few officials would dispute that the Russian operation was intended to harm Clinton's candidacy by leaking embarrassing emails about Democrats.

The latest intelligence said to show Putin's involvement goes much further than the information the U.S. was relying on in October, when all 17 intelligence agencies signed onto a statement attributing the Democratic National Committee hack to Russia.

The statement said officials believed that "only Russia's senior-most officials could have authorized these activities." That was an intelligence judgment based on an understanding of the Russian system of government, which Putin controls with absolute authority.

Now the U.S has solid information tying Putin to the operation, the intelligence officials say. Their use of the term "high confidence" implies that the intelligence is nearly incontrovertible.

"It is most certainly consistent with the Putin that I have watched and used to work with when I was an ambassador and in the government," said Michael McFaul, who was ambassador to Russia from 2012 to 2014.

"He has had a vendetta against Hillary Clinton, that has been known for a long time because of what she said about his elections back in the parliamentary elections of 2011. He wants to discredit American democracy and make us weaker in terms of leading the liberal democratic order. And most certainly he likes President-elect Trump's views on Russia," McFaul added. Clinton cast doubt on the integrity of Russia's elections.

As part of contingency planning for potential retaliation against Russia, according to officials, U.S. intelligence agencies have stepped up their probing into his personal financial empire.

American officials have concluded that Putin's network controls some $85 billion worth of assets, officials told NBC News.

Neither the CIA nor the Office of the Director of National Intelligence would comment.

A former CIA official who worked on Russia told NBC News that it's not clear the U.S. can embarrass Putin, given that many Russians are already familiar with allegations he has grown rich through corruption and has ordered the killings of political adversaries.

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Re: U.S. Officials: Putin Personally Involved in U.S. Election Hack

Yeah, THIS is hindering our chances, and not the politicians who haven't been able to compromise on a bill for the past 16 years.....

On a side note, the russian hacks are not the same as a dirty campaign strategy by either party. A foreign power has hacked both parties, released the dirt on one so far, and will release the other side when it fits their agenda, or you think the russians messed with the clinton campaign because they want to be pals with trump? If you do, I recommend you check out the Foundations Of Geopolitics, a book used in Russia, and read what they say about us. But thats a discussion for another time and another board.

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Originally Posted by Crilly (Post 593453)

The difference is one was by a foreign government and the other from within the US.

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It wasn't about the emails it was about the spreading of fake news. Your comparing apples and oranges with the trump video statement.

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Originally Posted by dexter (Post 593455)

Yeah, THIS is hindering our chances, and not the politicians who haven't been able to compromise on a bill for the past 16 years.....

I think it is hindering our chances because if Trump gets impeached then we get Pence. Say goodbye to any immigration bill Trump and Ryan were thinking about.

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Originally Posted by dexter (Post 593455)

On a side note, the russian hacks are not the same as a dirty campaign strategy by either party. A foreign power has hacked both parties, released the dirt on one so far, and will release the other side when it fits their agenda, or you think the russians messed with the clinton campaign because they want to be pals with trump? If you do, I recommend you check out the Foundations Of Geopolitics, a book used in Russia, and read what they say about us. But thats a discussion for another time and another board.

I do not have to read it, I can just read a summary.

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Russia should use its special forces within the borders of the United States to fuel instability and separatism. For instance, provoke "Afro-American racists". Russia should "introduce geopolitical disorder into internal American activity, encouraging all kinds of separatism and ethnic, social and racial conflicts, actively supporting all dissident movements – extremist, racist, and sectarian groups, thus destabilizing internal political processes in the U.S. It would also make sense simultaneously to support isolationist tendencies in American politics."

The reason Russia did what they did to Hillary was because Putin doesn't like her. Hillary had attack/criticize him.

Also instead of blaming Russia, shouldn't we blame Hillary for having dirt on her rather than the country or government who released it? if Hillary did not had the dirt she had, Trump would of never won.

Also, you're right that book is pretty frightened and we can link the racial tensions Russia wants to create to what is happening here at the moment.

But is all conspiracy, not facts that the Russian government is really following that book fascism idea. Maybe I am wrong, maybe you are wrong but we do not know it for a fact.

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Originally Posted by eva02 (Post 593464)

It wasn't about the emails it was about the spreading of fake news. Your comparing apples and oranges with the trump video statement.

I am not talking about the fake news, I am talking about the released emails that Russia did.

If Hillary didnt had the dirt she had on, all fake news or emails that had no content at all wouldn't shift peoples opinion about her.

It is easier to convince people with fake news about someone who has dirt on than someone who never did.

And that is what Trump did, he took that to his advantage and used Hillary's weakness to turn people against her.

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I have been thinking about the Russian hacks and the intervention of foreign powers in the elections and it is rather interesting . You guys have to remember that the U.S government has been meddling with Democratic elections all over the world!

The U.S has fixed democratic elections in Latin America and many other places numerous times in order to suit the interest of the United States. This is just karma catching up.

I do agree with the point made by Chyno, and I alluded to it first I think. This could derail our efforts, I hope not, but it would not be the first time.

Also, Russian fake news and trolls do have an effect. The average citizen is to stupid to understand and political divide make the effect even more pronounced.

You, without knowing it are a victim of it as well, it is all a big game of manipulation from both sides to be honest. It is just that more right wing people tend to be an easier target for this type of brainwashing.

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http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/...n-hack-n696146

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Putin's objectives were multifaceted, a high-level intelligence source told NBC News. What began as a "vendetta" against Hillary Clinton morphed into an effort to show corruption in American politics and to "split off key American allies by creating the image that [other countries] couldn't depend on the U.S. to be a credible global leader anymore," the official said.

I think thats far more serious than the damage imposed on any of the two candidates. This extends further than Clinton, this is about the nation.

Also, news just broke that a super PAC with close ties to Ryan used hacked material to influence some House races, so I wouldn't put too much trust in him either. If you are not aware, every politician has some sort of dirt on them, if not go back and see that Hilary wasn't the first, and won't be the last, to do what she did.

We had so much higher standards in the 1970's.

As a final note, we can't say Pence is worse than Trump. We haven't heard enough of him to make that assumption.

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Originally Posted by JohannBernoulli1667 (Post 593475)

The U.S has fixed democratic elections in Latin America and many other places numerous times in order to suit the interest of the United States. This is just karma catching up.

I agree, but would also like to add that in most cases those countries did not end up so well. So if we have proof that Trump's win was influenced by a foreign nation, and we look back at the times that we've done it, then we can only assume that this might not be so bright of a future after all.

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Originally Posted by dexter (Post 593479)

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/...n-hack-n696146

I think thats far more serious than the damage imposed on any of the two candidates. This extends further than Clinton, this is about the nation.

Also, news just broke that a super PAC with close ties to Ryan used hacked material to influence some House races, so I wouldn't put too much trust in him either. If you are not aware, every politician has some sort of dirt on them, if not go back and see that Hilary wasn't the first, and won't be the last, to do what she did.

We had so much higher standards in the 1970's.

As a final note, we can't say Pence is worse than Trump. We haven't heard enough of him to make that assumption.

Yeah this so hard. DAP Trump supporters mentality is really really off what one would consider american

this is what they are saying

"oh I don't care that other countries like Russian are destroying Amerericas integrity by hacking and exposing internal information if it means exposing CROOKED MEAN AWFUL people like Hillary I don't care if the entire nation will suffer in the long run, its good that people like Hillary are being EXPOSED for the crooked people that they are"

This is really really mess up.... these DAP dreamers are NOT american at all.