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IamAman 05-29-2017 08:48 PM
Aclu joins lawsuit challenging anti-immigrant law sb4
 
https://www.aclutx.org/en/press-rele...igrant-law-sb4
This is a press release but given how ugly the protests got today (Republican called ICE on peaceful protesters), it's good to know that ACLU is fighting back. If you can donate to them, it's a worthy cause. You can also go to smile.amazon.com when ordering your skinny jeans (or whatever) off amazon and select which non-profit you want to donate to (I picked ACLU foundation of Texas) and they donate money to them from their end.

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HOUSTON —The ACLU of Texas and the ACLU Immigrants’ Rights Project have joined the lawsuit challenging Texas Senate Bill 4 (SB4), which demands that local governments and their employees engage in federal immigration enforcement practices. The case, City of El Cenizo, Texas, et al. v. State of Texas, et al., was filed earlier this month on behalf of a group of local governments and law enforcement officials whose rights and ability to serve their own constituents are imperiled by SB4. The Plaintiffs include the City of El Cenizo, El Cenizo Mayor Raul L. Reyes, Maverick County, Maverick County Sheriff Tom Schmerber, Maverick County Constable Mario A. Hernandez, and the Texas State League of United Latin American Citizens (Texas LULAC).

“As the leader of a diverse community along the South Texas border, I am challenging SB4 because it will undo the decades of work to build trust with the immigrant community and to use our scarce resources to increase public safety. We will not be part of Trump’s deportation force,” said Raul Reyes, mayor of El Cenizo. “This lawsuit will give a voice to the people and families that live in fear because of SB4.”

“By joining as co-counsel for the City of El Cenizo, Mayor Reyes, and the other courageous plaintiffs who sued the state, we aim to protect the civil liberties of immigrant communities,” said Edgar Saldivar, senior staff attorney at the ACLU of Texas. “The Constitution does not allow the State of Texas to enact laws that threaten immigrants and the local officials entrusted to protect them. Today, we assert our resistance to the state’s pervasive attacks on vulnerable people and say to Gov. Abbott, see you in court.”

“Under SB4, local authorities will lose control over public safety and Texans will suffer from discrimination because of the color of their skin, accents or background,” said Lee Gelernt, ACLU Immigrants’ Rights Project deputy director.

The El Cenizo lawsuit was filed in the United States District Court for the Western District of Texas, San Antonio Division. The ACLU will serve as co-counsel with Luis Roberto Vera, Jr., LULAC’s National General Counsel, and Renea Hicks of the Law Office of Max Renea Hicks.

DACA-IR-DA 05-29-2017 09:18 PM
Re: Aclu joins lawsuit challenging anti-immigrant law sb4
 
Good news. There is still few months left before it goes in effect.

Pianoswithoutfaith 05-30-2017 04:04 PM
Re: Aclu joins lawsuit challenging anti-immigrant law sb4
 
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Originally Posted by DACA-IR-DA (Post 614468)
Good news. There is still few months left before it goes in effect.

AND more importantly, does it affect the 2014 eDACA extension

Alfredo93 05-30-2017 04:30 PM
Re: Aclu joins lawsuit challenging anti-immigrant law sb4
 
Correct me if Im wrong but doesnt this law only apply to those who are:
1) Lawfully arrested
2) lawfully detained
3) Good cause to believe they are a witness to a crime

Doesn't necessarily mean the police will ask randoms on the street for their papers, right?

IamAman 05-30-2017 04:44 PM
Re: Aclu joins lawsuit challenging anti-immigrant law sb4
 
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Originally Posted by Alfredo93 (Post 614510)
Correct me if Im wrong but doesnt this law only apply to those who are:
1) Lawfully arrested
2) lawfully detained
3) Good cause to believe they are a witness to a crime

Doesn't necessarily mean the police will ask randoms on the street for their papers, right?
No, this would let, even encourage local police to ask about immigration status if you get pulled over for not coming to a complete stop at a stop sign. It's two parts really, the other part would require police to to cooperate with ICE after an arrest and end "sanctuary city" policies like Austin, but the other part would allow police to ask anybody that they suspect is here illegally about their status. And guess who would get asked - blonde guy or brown guy?

Alfredo93 05-30-2017 11:51 PM
Re: Aclu joins lawsuit challenging anti-immigrant law sb4
 
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Originally Posted by IamAman (Post 614511)
No, this would let, even encourage local police to ask about immigration status if you get pulled over for not coming to a complete stop at a stop sign.
Okay anybody driving without proper identification would be detained, wouldnt matter if you are illegal or not. We run that risk everyday even before sb4. But what Im trying to figure out is if this bill will allow police agencies to randomly stop you to specifically ask if you are here legally.

IamAman 05-31-2017 09:53 AM
Re: Aclu joins lawsuit challenging anti-immigrant law sb4
 
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Originally Posted by Alfredo93 (Post 614530)
Okay anybody driving without proper identification would be detained, wouldnt matter if you are illegal or not. We run that risk everyday even before sb4. But what Im trying to figure out is if this bill will allow police agencies to randomly stop you to specifically ask if you are here legally.
Not sure what your point is, but you are wrong about getting detained before. I know of many undocumented people who were stopped and didn't have a license and were just given a ticket for not having a license and sent on their way.

One even hit my car 15 years ago (I had a license) and was pissed and arguing and wanted me to pay for his car and he ended up getting a ticket for no license and no insurance. Another one ran a red light and hit me and totaled my car a few years after that and same thing, they got a ticket and were on their way. I have even known of some who were ARRESTED for DUI and still got out so it wasn't always like this.

I'm not saying arrests didn't happen before because we've all heard of an undocumented person running a red light and getting arrested when the didn't have a license and in smaller cities, cops are more likely to do that; but right now, many cities like Austin have a policy of not asking for immigration status if you're stopped.

With this new law, even if you have a license they can ask you about your status. I'm guessing they still need some probable cause to stop you first but that probable cause could be just that they feel you might "look illegal". Maybe you're walking in the wrong neighborhood and look "suspicious". This is a very dangerous law.

Alfredo93 05-31-2017 01:53 PM
Re: Aclu joins lawsuit challenging anti-immigrant law sb4
 
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Originally Posted by IamAman (Post 614540)
With this new law, even if you have a license they can ask you about your status. I'm guessing they still need some probable cause to stop you first but that probable cause could be just that they feel you might "look illegal". Maybe you're walking in the wrong neighborhood and look "suspicious". This is a very dangerous law.
I am just confused because the hispanic media keeps mentioning cops are allowed to stop anybody on the street and ask for their papers, if they have none they will be deported. Thanks for clearing it up.

But I think ill trust Abott when he says "Only criminals should worry about this law" since so far, most people deported recently have criminal records, or final orders of deportation.

IamAman 05-31-2017 10:13 PM
Re: Aclu joins lawsuit challenging anti-immigrant law sb4
 
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Originally Posted by Alfredo93 (Post 614544)
I am just confused because the hispanic media keeps mentioning cops are allowed to stop anybody on the street and ask for their papers, if they have none they will be deported. Thanks for clearing it up.

But I think ill trust Abott when he says "Only criminals should worry about this law" since so far, most people deported recently have criminal records, or final orders of deportation.
You trust Abbott? The same guy who the day before extended DACA was going to go in place found an anti-immigrant judge in South Texas and put that injunction on it which ultimately killed it? That Abbott?

I have news for you, in his eyes, all undocumented people are criminals. You sound like that woman in Indiana who voted for trump because she thought he only wanted to deport criminals.

I don't know what your particular situation is, but it sounds like you don't have a final order on your record and that you'd be safe from this, but if it stands, you won't be. Even if you don't worry about those who do have final orders, you wouldn't sleep too easy if this is allowed to stand either.


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