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libertarian1776 02-22-2018 06:33 PM

What happens if Congress fails to make a deal on DACA by March 5th?
 
The likeliest outcome is a return to the status quo before 2012

In September 2017 President Donald Trump announced he would phase out the DACA programme, claiming that Mr Obama had not possessed a mandate to implement it with no input from Congress. But Mr Trump did not end the policy outright. He gave DACA recipients whose status would expire before March 5th one month to renew it for another two years. Those whose protected status lapsed after that date would not enjoy the same privilege. When their status lapsed, they would be eligible for removal. Politicians took note. Congress would need to reach a legislative solution by March 5th or risk exposing Dreamers to deportation.

Or so they thought. In January a district-court judge in San Francisco ordered the Trump administration to continue renewing DACA applications while the underlying legality of ending the programme is worked out. To the surprise of many, instead of asking for a legal “stay” that would have reversed the injunction, the federal government complied. Yet the administration wants to bypass the federal appeals court. It has asked the Supreme Court to review the case directly instead of letting it wind its way through the court system first, as would normally be the case.

The Supreme Court has yet to indicate whether it will take up the case but is expected to do so by February 23rd. On February 13th a New York court issued an order similar to the San Francisco one, mandating that the administration continue to renew DACA applications. This development makes the Supreme Court’s acceptance of the case much more likely, says Leon Fresco, who previously worked on immigration litigation at the Department of Justice and now serves as an immigration lawyer at Holland & Knight, a law firm. If the Supreme Court does accept, the soonest it would rule is early May. If it does not, the case could take another year to work its way through the legal system.

In the meantime, even though March 5th is no longer a hard deadline, some in Congress are trying to find a legislative fix which would render the court case immaterial. Versions of bills shielding Dreamers from deportation have been introduced more than 20 times since 2001 when the first such proposal was floated, according to LawLogix, a legal software group. Despite enjoying support from Republicans, Democrats and the general public, the bills have floundered. If the court’s ruling is unfavourable to DACA and no legislative agreement is reached, the law will return to where it was before 2012, and people who arrived in America as minors will again be subject to deportation. That does not mean they will all be deported. More than 10m people are also eligible for deportation and, short of war or pandemic, nobody has yet devised a method for expelling humans on that scale. But it would reintroduce an arbitrary element to a system that is already an act of self-harm.

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2MoreYears 02-22-2018 06:53 PM

Re: What happens if Congress fails to make a deal on DACA by March 5th?
 
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The Supreme Court has yet to indicate whether it will take up the case but is expected to do so by February 23rd. ...If the Supreme Court does accept, the soonest it would rule is early May. If it does not, the case could take another year to work its way through the legal system.

Let's hope SCOTUS decides tomorrow against taking up the case, that will buy us an extra year regardless of what happens by March 5th. Every bit helps, fingers crossed.

dtrt09 02-22-2018 06:55 PM

Re: What happens if Congress fails to make a deal on DACA by March 5th?
 
Forget about litigation. Daca is discretionary. All Trump has to do is issue an executive order rescinding it and he has 100% authority to do it.

What he cannot do is override Congress if a permanent solution is passed with 70 votes. Pressure your members of Congress!

libertarian1776 02-22-2018 07:01 PM

Re: What happens if Congress fails to make a deal on DACA by March 5th?
 
do u think a permanent solution can still pass this cycle? we might as well wait till 2019 at this point.

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Originally Posted by dtrt09 (Post 693532)
Forget about litigation. Daca is discretionary. All Trump has to do is issue an executive order rescinding it and he has 100% authority to do it.

What he cannot do is override Congress if a permanent solution is passed with 70 votes. Pressure your members of Congress!


dtrt09 02-22-2018 07:05 PM

Re: What happens if Congress fails to make a deal on DACA by March 5th?
 
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Originally Posted by libertarian1776 (Post 693535)
do u think a permanent solution can still pass this cycle? we might as well wait till 2019 at this point.

I do. And it should. It's cruel to live like this. And long-term immigrants already have proof that they are productive members in this country. The solution is at hand and they should solve this once and for all.

Stop wasting taxpayer money persecuting immigrants.

libertarian1776 02-22-2018 07:07 PM

Re: What happens if Congress fails to make a deal on DACA by March 5th?
 
well , we’re not gnna get a clean Dream Act, they voted down a Daca 1.8mil + Border Security bill.

we might as well wait till Liberals are in the majority bcuz the trade off of DACAs being legalized will persecute the rest of the immigrant community.

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Originally Posted by dtrt09 (Post 693538)
I do. And it should. It's cruel to live like this. And long-term immigrants already have proof that they are productive members in this country. The solution is at hand and they should solve this once and for all.

Stop wasting taxpayer money persecuting immigrants.


cooltalker 02-22-2018 07:13 PM

Re: What happens if Congress fails to make a deal on DACA by March 5th?
 
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Originally Posted by 2MoreYears (Post 693530)
Let's hope SCOTUS decides tomorrow against taking up the case, that will buy us an extra year regardless of what happens by March 5th. Every bit helps, fingers crossed.

Hope so too, but the Supreme Court is also Republicunt, so I think they can't wait to end DACA.

dtrt09 02-22-2018 07:15 PM

Re: What happens if Congress fails to make a deal on DACA by March 5th?
 
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Originally Posted by libertarian1776 (Post 693539)
well , we’re not gnna get a clean Dream Act, they voted down a Daca 1.8mil + Border Security bill.

we might as well wait till Liberals are in the majority bcuz the trade off of DACAs being legalized will persecute the rest of the immigrant community.

So what? We try again next week. Since when did ONE failed try stop Republicans from pursuing their agenda???

Fuck that. If we give up the Dream Act fight, they will take it as permission to takeadvantage and start mass deportations. No, let's hold Dems accountable for delivering on their promise.

libertarian1776 02-22-2018 07:17 PM

Re: What happens if Congress fails to make a deal on DACA by March 5th?
 
lol Republicans are in the majority and they control the AGENDA. do u really think we are on their agenda?

Dream act cant even make it to the House floor cuz the Speaker controls the agenda. the dems tried to force their hand with the shutdown and the GOP didnt budge.

i think ur more interested in political rhetoric and points here to prove ur an activist rather than examine the real situation.

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Originally Posted by dtrt09 (Post 693541)
So what? We try again next week. Since when did ONE failed try stop Republicans from pursuing their agenda???

Fuck that. If we give up the Dream Act fight, they will take it as permission to takeadvantage and start mass deportations. No, let's hold Dems accountable for delivering on their promise.


dtrt09 02-22-2018 07:18 PM

Re: What happens if Congress fails to make a deal on DACA by March 5th?
 
Also, we are not getting a 'clean' Dream act if they are offering billions for the border.

Collins needs to bring back her deal and try again along with Flake and Durbin. No Dream Act, then no wall.

Also, they can include immigration enforcement priorities in the budget.


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