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Red neck 01-23-2019 02:41 PM

Immigration advocates to meet with Pence on deal to protect Dreamers, end shutdown
 
WASHINGTON
A group of immigration advocates is planning to meet Thursday with Vice President Mike Pence and top adviser and President Donald Trump’s son-in-law Jared Kushner to see if there is a way to trade funding for President Trump’s border wall in exchange for protections of hundreds of thousands of young immigrants brought to the country illegally by their parents.

Trump may also “pop in” to the meeting being organized with officials from the League of United Latin American Citizens, Libre Initiative, the Hispanic Chamber of Commerce and other immigrant advocacy groups, said people familiar with the planning.

On Saturday, Trump spoke from the Oval Office and offered Democrats a three-year extension of protections for roughly 700,000 so-called Dreamers and hundreds of thousands of more people with Temporary Protected Status in exchange for $5.7 billion in border wall funding and other enforcement and humanitarian assistance.

Even before Trump started speaking, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and Senate Democratic leaders were calling the proposal “a non-starter” that was full of “previously rejected initiatives.”



Portions of the U.S. government have been shut down for 33 days because of the disagreement over wall funding, keeping 800,000 federal employees out of work and numerous services suspended.


The meeting reflects a break in the united front between Democrats and immigration advocates against Trump’s demands. Until now, immigration advocates have largely supported House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and Senate leaders in their opposition of Trump’s immigration policies. But Trump got their attention when he made an offer to protect roughly 1 million immigrants living in the United States under such special status.

Neither the White House nor the vice president’s office immediately responded to a request for comment.

Some advocates have questioned whether Democrats really want to reopen the government and protect a million immigrants or simply continue to fight Trump - at all costs.


“If this is real, we need to be talking,” said one advocate familiar with the meeting plans. “Obviously we have certain concerns, but if Dreamers can get a permanent legal fix then we need to be at the table. We’re not all behind the Pelosi-no deal. Immigrants don’t have the convenience of resisting.”

The meeting will come as Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., keys up a vote on Trump’s proposal to end the shutdown before the furloughed workers miss a second paycheck.


Not all the advocates agree and Pelosi has the support of key groups, such as United We Dream, which accused Trump “of using the lives of immigrant youth as bargaining chips.”

“The White House has repeatedly used negotiations over the pain he has caused to immigrants and federal workers to demand billions more for his wall, more detention camps and mass deportation,” Greisa Martinez Rosas, deputy executive director of United We Dream and herself a dreamer, said in a statement after Trump’s proposal.

Pelosi and Senate leaders say they won’t negotiate while the government is shut down. Critics of Trump’s plan note that the protections, which Trump eliminated, are for only three years. It would also block Central American minors from applying for asylum unless they do so in their home countries.

The immigration advocate said they’re very wary of Trump’s proposal, particularly asylum measures, but they say ignoring a proposal to protect dreamers is not the answer.

“We’re definitely not giving the administration a blank check., “ the advocate said. “We’re just open to the negotiations.”

Some of Trump staunchest supporters are afraid Democrats will take the deal. The proposal set off panic among key Trump supporters who accused him of abandoning his base. Some warned Trump risked repeating the mistakes of former President Ronald Reagan who in 1986 signed amnesty legislation that legalized thousands, but failed to follow through on enforcement measures.

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dreamerman1 01-23-2019 02:45 PM

Re: Immigration advocates to meet with Pence on deal to protect Dreamers, end shutdow
 
We all need to get off this roller coaster, maybe this might go somewhere. Knowing Trump, we should never get our hopes really high.

JavierHTx 01-23-2019 02:52 PM

Re: Immigration advocates to meet with Pence on deal to protect Dreamers, end shutdow
 
The thing is Trump’s deal already has protection for Dreamers but it’s only TEMPORARY! They need to ask for a real pathway to something permanent.

BestBefore1984 01-23-2019 02:53 PM

Re: Immigration advocates to meet with Pence on deal to protect Dreamers, end shutdow
 
Wow. The person who wrote this article has a good handle of the English language.

Quote:

A group of immigration advocates is planning to meet Thursday with Vice President Mike Pence
This person conjugated the predicate verb "to be", so that it is matches with the subject "Group" which due to being a collective noun, it will be conjugated in the third person singular.

When analyzing this sentence, some people will subconsciously attribute the "advocates" as the subject, which then would make sense to conjugate the predicate as "are" instead of "is"


Now if we throw British English in the mix......

A discussion for another day!

jorgeag92 01-23-2019 03:05 PM

Re: Immigration advocates to meet with Pence on deal to protect Dreamers, end shutdow
 
I hope UWD is not invited

jwxie518 01-23-2019 03:18 PM

Re: Immigration advocates to meet with Pence on deal to protect Dreamers, end shutdow
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jorgeag92 (Post 730053)
I hope UWD is not invited

Fuck UWD. Anyone with UWD deserves to be excluded for hindering progress.

georgeb1214 01-23-2019 03:21 PM

Re: Immigration advocates to meet with Pence on deal to protect Dreamers, end shutdow
 
UWD still hoping for a clean dream act. Bunch of idiots. It will never happen!

Red neck 01-23-2019 03:40 PM

Re: Immigration advocates to meet with Pence on deal to protect Dreamers, end shutdow
 
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vft1008 01-23-2019 03:47 PM

Re: Immigration advocates to meet with Pence on deal to protect Dreamers, end shutdow
 
Jab, jab, jab!

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ExMachina 01-23-2019 03:47 PM

Re: Immigration advocates to meet with Pence on deal to protect Dreamers, end shutdow
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Red neck (Post 730044)
WASHINGTON

Some of Trump staunchest supporters are afraid Democrats will take the deal. The proposal set off panic among key Trump supporters who accused him of abandoning his base. Some warned Trump risked repeating the mistakes of former President Ronald Reagan who in 1986 signed amnesty legislation that legalized thousands, but failed to follow through on enforcement measures.

On the one hand, you've got desperate dreamers not wanting their lives completely ruined.

On the other, some of his white nationalist supporters will feel alienated he didn't obliterate enough brown people.

Truly a debacle. Sympathies all around.


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