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Red neck 05-20-2019 12:33 PM

Fox OP: Democrats ignore Trump’s immigration plan at their peril
 
When will Hispanics realize they are being played by Democrats? When will they understand that for all their sanctimonious promises, Democrats have no intention of resolving the plight of the Dreamers, or of fixing our broken immigration system?

Maybe they already have. Hispanic approval of President Trump is soaring, to the alarm of Democrats who take those voters for granted. It’s about time.

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President Trump recently rolled out the outlines of a new, sane, immigration policy. Nancy Pelosi called the proposals “dead on arrival” because the fate of DACA recipients – the Dreamers – was not included. That was clearly an intentional omission, presumably meant to invite a counter-proposal; why doesn’t the House Speaker make one? Why doesn’t she offer a compromise which trades resolution of the Dreamer issue for some of Trump’s popular measures redrawing immigration requirements? Isn’t that how governing is supposed to work?

That is not how resistant Democrats work, especially on immigration. They would rather leave the issue unresolved, a festering sore that upends the lives of people stuck in DACA limbo, and leaves our southern border in chaos.

Democrats will not let go of a wedge issue that helped President Obama win reelection in 2012. Attracting 71 percent of the Hispanic vote that year was critical, especially in key states like Colorado, Nevada, and Florida. Hispanics are the fastest-growing minority in the U.S. In 2012 they represented 10 percent of the electorate; in 2020, they will account for 13.3 percent, according to Pew.

How did Obama rack up such enthusiasm among Latinos in his second campaign? By promising immigration reform. Again. He had vowed to tackle the issue when first elected, but spent his political capital instead on ObamaCare, even as Democrats held a majority of both houses of Congress.

Not since Lucy snookered Charlie Brown with that infernal football has there been such a cruel tease.

Approaching the 2012 election, Hispanics were angry that Obama had not prioritized immigration reform and furious at the president’s aggressive deportation program. In his first three years in office, Obama ordered the removal of 1.1 million undocumented people, the most under any president since the 1950s.

The United States needs immigrants, and polling indicates that most Americans welcome workers from abroad.

Alarmed that his Hispanic support was fading, Obama announced his DACA program just months before the 2012 election. The New York Times reported at the time, “…the president’s move was a clear play for a crucial voting bloc in states that will decide whether he gets another term.” It worked.

Hillary Clinton did not do as well with the Latino community as Obama, but still drew 66 percent of Hispanic votes.

Imagine the alarm bells ringing now amongst Democrats as polls show President Trump’s approval climbing among Hispanics. Three recent surveys have put him north of 40 percent. The liberal media, which has doggedly portrayed the president as racist and his immigration policies as especially harmful to Hispanics, is appalled. But no one should be surprised.

While Democrats court Latinos with ever-more liberal immigration and border policies, Pew Research has shown the number one issue for Hispanics, as for most voters, is the economy.

Trump has delivered a booming jobs market and rising pay, leading to record-high consumer sentiment. Hispanic unemployment in April dropped to 4.2 percent, the lowest ever recorded, and wages have grown faster for Latinos than for any other ethnic group.

It is also true that the Hispanic community, which is more than two-thirds Catholic or Evangelical, is more conservative on social issues than today’s Democrats. As candidates in the upcoming election are pressed by Trump to defend late-term abortion, for instance, they may lose Hispanic voters.


But it is on immigration that Democrats may be moving in the wrong direction. Polling done last year showed 63 percent of the country approving of a deal such as that outlined by Trump this week: trading permanent protection for Dreamers in exchange for merit-based immigration, ending the diversity lottery and limiting “chain” migration. Some 61 percent of Hispanics favored that outcome. In particular, 84 percent of voters (and 83 percent of Hispanics) “think immigration priority for those coming to the United States should be based on a person’s ability to contribute to America as measured by their education and skills.” More than two-thirds of the nation opposes the diversity lottery.

The United States needs immigrants, and polling indicates that most Americans welcome workers from abroad. We currently have 1.3 million unfilled jobs; surveys show finding competent workers is the number one challenge for companies today. Instead of randomly opening our doors, it makes sense to prioritize those who can fill some of those jobs and immediately contribute to the growth and prosperity of the country.

Also, our birth rate has tumbled to a 32-year low. That drop suggests a worrisome decline in our future workforce and trouble for Social Security. As soon as next year, for the first time since 1982 according to the trustee’s just-released annual report, the cost of the nation’s most important benefits program will exceed its revenues; consequently, Social Security’s trust fund will run out of money in 2035. The projections assume that the long-term total fertility rate (TFR) will return to “an average level of 2.0.” The most recent data put the TFR at 1.76. That disparity is significant and means fewer workers over time struggling to support a growing body of retirees.

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That has occurred in Japan, in part because that nation has historically discouraged immigration. We must not make the same mistake.

We need smarter and more productive immigration policies, and to fix the Dreamer nightmare. Hispanics could make that happen – by forcing Democrats to the table. They need to demand that Democrats earn their support, not take it for granted.

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Copper 05-20-2019 01:34 PM

Re: Fox OP: Democrats ignore Trump’s immigration plan at their peril
 
Believe me I’ve realized years ago that the Democratic Party takes advantage of the Hispanic vote.

However the alternative isn’t that great either. Unfortunately this comes down to the lesser of the two evils.

The Democrats won’t fix our issue but won’t deport us either, the Republicans won’t fix our issue but are ready to deport us.

Personally I think the Republicans missed a shot when they controlled the Senate/House. Had they passed a DACA bill I’m sure they would have won over a lot of Hispanic votes.

IamAman 05-20-2019 01:51 PM

Re: Fox OP: Democrats ignore Trump’s immigration plan at their peril
 
1. Opinion is not news.
2. The Democrat alternative is and has been the Dream Act.

Demise 05-20-2019 02:06 PM

Re: Fox OP: Democrats ignore Trump’s immigration plan at their peril
 
I like how Fox conveniently forgets that Trump stormed out of meetings before when he wasn't given exactly what he wanted and that he was offered 25 billion for Dream Act.

Fucking yellow journalism.

catportal 05-20-2019 02:14 PM

Re: Fox OP: Democrats ignore Trump’s immigration plan at their peril
 
Nothing will happen until 2021, we all know this.

Red neck 05-20-2019 02:15 PM

Re: Fox OP: Democrats ignore Trump’s immigration plan at their peril
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by IamAman (Post 736543)
1. Opinion is not news.
2. The Democrat alternative is and has been the Dream Act.

its a good read, shows how the right is getting desperate all democrats have to do is put a bill with a compromise and it will pass especially now that there is a 5th child that died at the border..


But in reality Democrats will give trump 5 billion for humanitarian aid/border in exchange for nothing.

VJB2 05-20-2019 02:28 PM

Re: Fox OP: Democrats ignore Trump’s immigration plan at their peril
 
I have this theory that Stephen Miller reads the forum, Reddit, and all public posts about him from us and despises us even more... or gets off to it, who knows. That's why it wasn't included.


Hey Stephen, we all probably have more hair than you. Go fuck yourself.

jwxie518 05-20-2019 02:31 PM

Re: Fox OP: Democrats ignore Trump’s immigration plan at their peril
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by VJB2 (Post 736549)
I have this theory that Stephen Miller reads the forum, Reddit, and all public posts about him from us and despises us even more... or gets off to it, who knows. That's why it wasn't included.


Hey Stephen, we all probably have more hair than you. Go fuck yourself.

Let's keep saying MAGA. They will come around.

cmeow 05-20-2019 02:53 PM

Re: Fox OP: Democrats ignore Trump’s immigration plan at their peril
 
In my opinion, the best deal Trump will get from dems is changing the visa lottery to merit based in exchange for DACA legalization.

Changing family based migration is something democrats will not go for. You're talking about the biggest change in the immigration system (affecting millions each year)just for 800k people and it only happens one time. It's not just that either, he wants more money, change asylum laws, etc etc.

Allowing more merit based immigrants will be extremely weird. Right now the less skill jobs aren't filled but if you push high skilled foreign workers in the US, US citizens will be priced out of those jobs and they'll have to do low skill jobs or there's going to be a significant reduction in salary for high skill jobs.

tabi 05-20-2019 02:54 PM

Re: Fox OP: Democrats ignore Trump’s immigration plan at their peril
 
Trump can't even get Republicans to support his plan. Ridiculous.


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